[Discussion] Technical - D.I.Y On Your Super Four!

[cradle]

Originally posted by pum9kin_h3ad@Jul 13 2005, 06:12 PM

Bro u are scarin me again !!!!

bro no need to scare ....if get butt cramps we all going also get mah....all get together the butt cramps hahaha

[kaginah]

once backside cramp we stop, relak, drink water and smoke!

[and]

wa mass gathering sia cool

[Specs]

Originally posted by ah wong@Jul 13 2005, 09:11 PM

bro no need to scare ....if get butt cramps we all going also get mah....all get together the butt cramps hahaha

Well..even though we will definitely get butt cramps but i am sure it is gonna be a great trip..

[Fire Phoenix 553]

Hi to all,

 

I'm a newbie riding S4 ... would like to join into the DIY session on the 20th, planning to install neon lights. can anyone tell me where to buy them? and what are those DIY oiler use for? and some other enquiries ...

 

My contact number is 93396262 ... 火凤凰 ...

[pum9kin_h3ad]

Originally posted by kaginah@Jul 13 2005, 10:53 PM

once backside cramp we stop, relak, drink water and smoke!

Like that i might consider takin one carton of cig with me ! haha .... :cheeky:

[cradle]

Originally posted by Specs@Jul 13 2005, 11:02 PM

Well..even though we will definitely get butt cramps but i am sure it is gonna be a great trip..

of coz.....hope we enjoy the trip and have fun:thumb:

[ralliart_ray]

I want to go leh.... hopefully can off on that day ...then go n learn from u guys

[kaginah]

Originally posted by ralliart_ray@Jul 14 2005, 09:08 PM

I want to go leh.... hopefully can off on that day ...then go n learn from u guys

if can come lor...

 

we are doing the DIY oiler on that day...

[Flip]

Will 'ed' or anyone be fixing grounding on tat day?

[kaginah]

not sure leh... he arrange a session for himself nowadays...

[KuKuBird]

Originally posted by ralliart_ray@Jul 14 2005, 09:08 PM

I want to go leh.... hopefully can off on that day ...then go n learn from u guys

come come, i purposely take half day just for the DIY

[kaginah]

Originally posted by KuKuBird@Jul 16 2005, 12:45 AM

come come, i purposely take half day just for the DIY

wah serious ah!

 

i'm very touched! THANKS!!!

[Turbo08]

anyone hav experience in tunning the carbs ??

[S750WP]

Hope to join you guys for the next DIY session, I just got a version R. Now bike is in shop for repair.

 

General servicing I will DIY, like to know the following

 

Engine oil drain plug - size of spanner to use??

Oil filter - I got a suzuki oil filter tool, not sure if its compatible

Spark plug - model of plug??

Air filter - is it washable?? if not will get K&N

coolant - going to use the left over water wetter I keep

[S750WP]

Originally posted by Turbo08@Jul 16 2005, 08:50 PM

anyone hav experience in tunning the carbs ??

I can wash and synchronise carbs, but never work on other bike except suzuki.

 

I will remove my carb next week to wash and syn, will keep you guys updated the procedure.

[Turbo08]

Originally posted by S750WP@Jul 17 2005, 09:50 AM

I can wash and synchronise carbs, but never work on other bike except suzuki.

 

I will remove my carb next week to wash and syn, will keep you guys updated the procedure.

so u hav the equipments ?? where u bought it ?? im trying to learn how to fine tune my carbs, u hav any idea how to "listen" ??

[S750WP]

Originally posted by Turbo08@Jul 17 2005, 12:20 PM

so u hav the equipments ?? where u bought it ?? im trying to learn how to fine tune my carbs, u hav any idea how to "listen" ??

Yap I have the tool to balance the carb. Bought on this website http://www.carbtune.com

 

Adjusting the air/fuel mixture screw by listening is not easy because you need to turn the mixture screw till the cylinder almost die and back out the mixture screw just enough for the cylinder to be running again. When all other 3 cylinder running its very hard to listen to the signle one you are tuning.

 

The best method is to use a digital gas analyser and lamda sensor on your exhaust header to tune. I used to have the digital gas analyser but I have sold it off as I'm unsure how to use also.

 

There is a gadget called color tune, by seeing the flame inside the engine. Its cheaper than the digital gas anlyser, but how effective I'm not sure.

 

Btw tuning at static is not so accurate because when you riding riding, its dynamic. You will still need to ride and tune to your own liking. What I normally do is turn in the mixture screw all the way in and back out 2.5 turns as a baseline and from there I start to inc/dec by 0.5 turns to feel the changes.

 

Normally when the bike is too rich the symtoms are harder to start when bike is hot, the rev needle will rise when you blip the throttle, fall below the idling and rise back to the idling speed again. And you may see black smoke too if its very very rich.

 

For lean condition, bike difficult to start when bike cold, rev needle will rise fall abit before falling to the idling speed.

[S750WP]

Just found the mixture screw setting 2 and 3/4 turns out if you are riding version S. Looks a little rich to me, maybe 2 and 1/4 turn sounds right.

 

http://web.singnet.com.sg/~negmag/maintenance.html

[Turbo08]

Originally posted by S750WP@Jul 17 2005, 02:14 PM

Yap I have the tool to balance the carb. Bought on this website http://www.carbtune.com

 

Adjusting the air/fuel mixture screw by listening is not easy because you need to turn the mixture screw till the cylinder almost die and back out the mixture screw just enough for the cylinder to be running again. When all other 3 cylinder running its very hard to listen to the signle one you are tuning.

 

The best method is to use a digital gas analyser and lamda sensor on your exhaust header to tune. I used to have the digital gas analyser but I have sold it off as I'm unsure how to use also.

 

There is a gadget called color tune, by seeing the flame inside the engine. Its cheaper than the digital gas anlyser, but how effective I'm not sure.

how much was tat gas analyser u got ?? it does not come wif user guide ?? an equipment is definitely more accurate than using ears

 

wat u mentioned was wat i heard from the mechanic but i need to hands on then will really understand the whole thing. But i need to hav the tunning equipment b4 i can start & i got no idea where to source for it.

[kktan]

i wna to come... need to get half day leave first. but need to go off by 4.30pm.. ok??

[S750WP]

Originally posted by Turbo08@Jul 17 2005, 03:40 PM

how much was tat gas analyser u got ?? it does not come wif user guide ?? an equipment is definitely more accurate than using ears

 

wat u mentioned was wat i heard from the mechanic but i need to hands on then will really understand the whole thing. But i need to hav the tunning equipment b4 i can start & i got no idea where to source for it.

The digital gas analyer cost ard 90 pounds from http://www.gunson.co.uk. Color tune is available on gunson website or morgan carbtune website http://www.carbtune.com

 

The digital gas analyser comes with instruction but it did not come with the tuning CO setting.

 

For the color tune you can see color change in the combustion of fuel in the engine.

 

Maybe can just send your bike to K&T for tuning, from the previous post I realise they use gas anlyser for tuning.

[Turbo08]

Originally posted by S750WP@Jul 17 2005, 04:36 PM

Maybe can just send your bike to K&T for tuning, from the previous post I realise they use gas anlyser for tuning.

hmm... i was hoping to get the equipment & learn to diy. U noe lah, send bike to workshop & u might hav to wait very long or need serveral trips down b4 u get a gd setup...

[S750WP]

Originally posted by Turbo08@Jul 17 2005, 04:48 PM

hmm... i was hoping to get the equipment & learn to diy. U noe lah, send bike to workshop & u might hav to wait very long or need serveral trips down b4 u get a gd setup...

If you dun mind the inital cost of investment for the equipment, just order on-line, they will ship here within a week.

[Turbo08]

Originally posted by S750WP@Jul 17 2005, 04:53 PM

If you dun mind the inital cost of investment for the equipment, just order on-line, they will ship here within a week.

the only problem now is i dun noe how to use tat equipment, later order put on display