Traffic Offence for Driving on Expressway Road Shoulder.

[EvilGixxer]

I would think siam and gtl's comments did carry their points.

 

As a biker myself, I encountered many occasions where the driver just simply swerve lane without giving signal, or swerve and giving signal at the same time, causing us to do emergency brakes. Some drivers even think of giving signal would have the right to change lane, even if there is other road user occupy the lane at a close distance. All these really putting our life at stake.

 

Allowing motorbike to use road shoulder isn't a good idea though. If it's legal, I'm sure a lot of bikers would use it at all time rather than using the road. Imaging a stalled vehicle occupying the road shoulder, I would think more accidents will happen. You may think why wouldn't he avoid it but it just happens! A lot of fatal accident cases happened in Msia where the vehicles hit those stalled vehicle which parked at road shoulder, whether motorbikes or cars.

 

I think the best idea is to create a designated lane for motorbike, just next to the road shouder. This idea just workable at expressway. If you have been to KL, you will know what I'm saying.

 

If optional for bike to use the bike lane ok la... if not ah, it will be no different than car cos all the slow bikes and fast bike are in in one single lane if i'm gonna be stuck behind a couple of kupchai or some slow bike, i would rather get a car and drive slowly in comfort...

 

juz my 2 cents

[gtl511]

GTL511

 

I think u r just kid talk. Dun tell me if let say a car just cut into ur lane & knock u down & u gonna blame ur own poor riding skill & close the case??? Haha.

I bet u r gonna make an insurance claimed against him?? Right? So what is there a problem when I request others to propose a shoulder that give riders the previleage? I have the best interest for riders safety as I m a rider myself ok?

 

& Who doesn’t know the rd shoulder is meant for emergency vehicles or break down car? Didn’t u read clearly my msg??? We can avoid them as long as there is an emergency vehicles trailing behind us. Even if the shoulder has breakdown vehicles, we just avoid it. Simply as that. U ride dun u? If yes, u should know how to anticipate to danger. Who asked u speed along the shoulder when the lane is so narrow? It meant for safe rider’s n not hell riders. If u wants to speed fast, u can travel along the main rd. From what I see your reply, u know nuts about riding & u never care about the life of other riders. U r the person who is ignorant. plsssssssss note! I did not say that cars are allowed on the rd shoulder at all time. It’s for BIKERS only. The life of all rider’s.

 

 

U can see that many of us here have got summon from TP somehow or rather on the shoulder. So, I m seeking those riders who is keen to overrule this regulation. If u r not keen, dun place your name. I m not forcing u also. We r the new generation & we should fight for our rights. Speak up if u think is not right. Y keeps our mouth shut when we are suffering from uncessary Summons?

 

Appeal? Saying is easy? How many time u can appeal? If we can appeal successfully, then there should not be having any riders from getting fine with $150/- & come with 6 demerits points.

 

I would happily meet you to show you my kid talk! I ride here in Singapore with the Knowledge that everyone else around me drives like Sh#t so I am constantly watching for idiots on the road and so far the closest I have come to an accident has been the fault of another motorbike and of course taxis, the solution to the problem isn't to separate the vehicles it is to better educate the users and to better monitor the idiots, but of course rather than fix the real problem you would rather create another. Like I say I would happily meet and discuss this in person you can even bring afew friends.

[siam_23]

I would happily meet you to show you my kid talk! I ride here in Singapore with the Knowledge that everyone else around me drives like Sh#t so I am constantly watching for idiots on the road and so far the closest I have come to an accident has been the fault of another motorbike and of course taxis, the solution to the problem isn't to separate the vehicles it is to better educate the users and to better monitor the idiots, but of course rather than fix the real problem you would rather create another. Like I say I would happily meet and discuss this in person you can even bring afew friends.

 

Pls dun waste time meeting me unless u add your name n contact on the list. When i send to LTA, TPs & MPs & if they want to meet us. We will meet eventually.

 

Bear my words. I hope that every riders can ride safely through & from their destination. Everytime when I see biker accident at expressway (anywhere), I feel sorry for them as I m a rider myself & should I encountered such an accident one day, the last person to feel sorry is your parents & no 1 else.

 

The driver will only tell ur parents they are sorry but what can be done? So, the best that I could think of is create a lane for riders & rd should is a good option since no additional cost is involved for the government.

 

& if what u say educating the drivers is the ultimate solution, then yearly there wouldn't be an increase of the number of bike accident & if education can help, no more drink driving on the rd, no more smuggling of cigeratte, no more illegal betting, no more many many many..................

 

Thus, your solution is out. Education doesnt help. FINES will help & that what the government is doing.

 

 

Like u say, u look out for reckless drivers or riders on the road. U r caution & so m I but what about those that have GONE. Who is gonna feel sorry for them?

 

And should there be no 1 keen on proposing together to the "Government". This suggestion is OUT. And riders will have to continue to get SUMMON whenever they ride along the rd shoulder & shouldnt complaint furthers. Just bite the bullet since we already know that we should not be riding on the shoulder & need not waste the time for appealing & I guessed the appealing will be unsuccesful for sure.

[sikonesis]

dude.

seriously, don't argue and answer for the sake of arguing and answering.

 

i must admit that opening the road shoulder to bikers sounds like a good idea at

first but really, that's all there is to it.

 

it's not just about avoiding broken down vehicles (can you really avoid them all?)

and giving way to emergency trucks (give way to where? the next lane on the

right?)

 

put some thought into it and you'll see why it's impractical and why it can't be

the solution.

 

1) debris on the road shoulder will be damaging at least, fatal at most.

 

2) what about when the road shoulder ends at e'way entrances and exits?

are you going to stop and check before going? is everyone else going to?

 

3) comparing our e'ways to the m'sian NSH is not fair anyway, in terms of

traffic density, structure, travelling speeds; what works there does not mean

the same idea will work here.

 

4) it will cost additional money to implement: to bring about the rule, teach

people about it, enforce it... simply putting up signs will cost money.

 

5) who's to stop rogue cars from joining the bike lane? i mean, surely there'll

be at least one winner who'll think of making his own life simpler by using the

shoulder because bikes can. before you answer: "TP", think again ok?

 

 

& i guess there's more that you can think of. if you really intend to bring

something up to the authorities, the least you could do is to lend yourself

some credibility by showing that you've thought over the problem and have

come up with practicable solutions.

 

birthing an idea and then just saying "it's the best one, full stop" will not

convince anyone, especially not the government.

 

 

and w.r.t. the original topic: stop, do what you have to at the road shoulder,

don't move off until traffic is clear enough for you to rejoin. no one can fault

you for that, unless of course you're doing it with an upcoming ERP gantry.

 

all the best for TS' appeal.

[gtl511]

I believe that the whole point of forums is to argue and answer or to discuss and answer and that the moderators are on hand to diffuse or remove anything that may get to heated, I think that things may have been lost in translation along the way. But you have come along and articulated things a bit better than most. If nothing else, a little more thought has been put out there. As a rider who has driven cars for almost twenty years in Australia and New Zealand, I am fully aware of the mentality behind the wheel. But I also believe that riders put themselves in situations that can be avoided, to go zipping between cars that are moving at 90 to 110km per hour and expect them all to see you and to know what your going to do is just asking for trouble. So as a rider I try to put myself where I am most visible and to give as much notice of my intentions as possible, knowing that a few if not most of the drivers around me wont take any F N notice. So far I have avoided any problems and hope to continue doing so. The roads where made for all users and I enjoy being in traffic but I am fully aware that I am riding death on wheels and ride accordingly.

[siam_23]

I believe that the whole point of forums is to argue and answer or to discuss and answer and that the moderators are on hand to diffuse or remove anything that may get to heated, I think that things may have been lost in translation along the way. But you have come along and articulated things a bit better than most. If nothing else, a little more thought has been put out there. As a rider who has driven cars for almost twenty years in Australia and New Zealand, I am fully aware of the mentality behind the wheel. But I also believe that riders put themselves in situations that can be avoided, to go zipping between cars that are moving at 90 to 110km per hour and expect them all to see you and to know what your going to do is just asking for trouble. So as a rider I try to put myself where I am most visible and to give as much notice of my intentions as possible, knowing that a few if not most of the drivers around me wont take any F N notice. So far I have avoided any problems and hope to continue doing so. The roads where made for all users and I enjoy being in traffic but I am fully aware that I am riding death on wheels and ride accordingly.

 

 

Aiyo...............So difficult to implement??? I dun know lah. But I think it can be done & I believed.....................Since nobody interested to overrule the regulation, then be it lor. FYI, i wasnt caught before on shoulder. just that i feel sometimes we are force into the shoulder & shd one day Mr TP caught me saw me, at least I will not be summon with $150 bucks that comes with 6 demerit points.

 

Remember, things will changed sooner or later.

HOHO.

 

Best & safe riding!!!

[BlackBandit]

siam_23,

Bro, I have to agree with sikonesis & gtl511...

 

Opening the road shoulders for bikers will only open a pandora's box of problems. All that needs to be said has already been finely put in point by sikonesis.

 

Instead of making like easier for bikers, it may be the opposite.

 

Though the best intention of biker's safety is there, it is not feasible to implement. Perhaps we might look at other alternatives like making it compulsory for riders to wear safety clothings.

[arthur_chan]

erm umbrella sign under bridge is also road shoulder, so what's the diff when changing raincoat with umbrella sign n any road shoulder?

 

what i believe: unless u're slower than the left most lane, u hv a case to fight, during jams, u'll get summon travelling along road shoulder.

 

sometime i see tp stop on the road shoulder just to catch those speed deamon, can we complain that?

[IvikaRazI]

erm umbrella sign under bridge is also road shoulder, so what's the diff when changing raincoat with umbrella sign n any road shoulder?

 

Nope the umbrella sign will have a path leading away from the road shoulders for riders to change to their raincoat. Do observe it. There are a few on the expressways. These are safer as its away from traffic. Those stop at the road shoulders are taking a risk. Which I sometimes do.

[kurarensu]

Nope the umbrella sign will have a path leading away from the road shoulders for riders to change to their raincoat. Do observe it. There are a few on the expressways. These are safer as its away from traffic. Those stop at the road shoulders are taking a risk. Which I sometimes do.

 

 

if the shelter area is like more than 10km away and it's heavy rain dun tell me u wait until there den wear ur raincoat? den it defeat the purpose of the raincoat liao.. still u gotta stop by road shoulder and quickly wear ur gears and ride off carefully and safely..

 

it's not as if there's shelter area for bikers everywhere.. whole pie there's onli like 2 area that has shelter for bikers to hide from rain/change raincoat..

 

flame me for all i care.. tats wat i feel..

[sikonesis]

dudes.

 

don't confuse RIDING (i.e.: moving, travelling) with STOPPING on the road

shoulder.

 

the former will get you a fine & points unless you drive an emergency vehicle

going to an emergency. the latter is excusable if you have a valid reason like:

- bike on fire

- vehicle mangled from an accident and waiting to be cleared

- punctured tire or other breakdowns

- putting on raincoat

or some other matter that requires you to stop your vehicle. even then, you

should clear off as soon as is safely possible.

 

stopping within sight of an active ERP gantry to insert your cashcard or wait for

it to go off is not considered a valid reason.

 

just because you're slower than lane 3 or 4 doesn't give you the right the travel

on the road shoulder. i mean, if you're slower than traffic on any other main

road, you don't go up and travel on the pavement right?

[bOtzZ]

jus a question out of curiosity..

 

let's say u managed to convince the authorities to open the road shoulders for bike use, will there be a speed limit for bikes travelling on the road shoulder? What will the speed limit be?

 

 

as all of us know, 90% of us ride on the brink of the speed limit or slightly above it. Let's say, speed limit for bikes on shoulder lane same as normal lane, I think we'll see an increase of insurance premiums for our bikes in the near future.

 

one scenario i can think of, u happy2 riding on the shoulder lane because the expressway jam packed with slow moving cars, lorries, vans, buses on all lanes.. for some reason, the shoulder lane clear.. not much bikes riding today..u pick up speed a bit due to late for work, u negotiate a sweeping uphill bend ( like the ones at PIE (changi) nearing to Stevens Road exit), just as u are about to reach middle of the bend, right in front of u is a broken down lorry with a punctured tire, which u can't see when u enter the bend ( blind spot)..

 

will u be able to stop in time?.. will there be a route out for u if u''r not able to stop in time? ( left side is barrier oreadi, right side is the 4th lane )

 

 

one more point to consider..

 

how about when u reach a point where slip road joining into the Expressway.. the shoulder lane stops just before the chevron.. how on earth the drivers and riders going to check for bikes on shoulder lane before joining into the expressway?... as far i know of, the side lane joining to expressway is for vehicles to speed up to ease its transition to expressway speed..

 

 

flame me if u want.. it's just what i thought of

[bOtzZ]

i would say.. the idea u had about opening up shoulder lanes for bikes is a good idea.. but are u prepared enough to convince the authorities about it? And i think they will be more skeptic than any one of us here.. are u prepared with all the answers?

 

or u'r just gonna use our neighbours as an example or china as they had a special lane for bikes, cyclist and scooterist

[roseonfire]

ala.. jus ride on normal road can aredi la.. use shoulder for wat? even if they open up.. ppl still overtake each other within that limited space.. not as if gonna queue and ride behind each other in a straight row on d shoulder..

[heeroyuy_z]

ala.. jus ride on normal road can aredi la.. use shoulder for wat? even if they open up.. ppl still overtake each other within that limited space.. not as if gonna queue and ride behind each other in a straight row on d shoulder..

 

Aiya for u confrim follow the speed limit. Some in a rush mah. Kuai Kuai one u. Hahahahaha:cheeky:

[Izammo]

aiya no need open lar, rain heavy wear raincoat then go lar, if traffic heavy, then doNT ride on shoulder, instead wait for traffic ease abit at lane 4 then merge in.

[BlackBandit]

erm umbrella sign under bridge is also road shoulder, so what's the diff when changing raincoat with umbrella sign n any road shoulder?

 

what i believe: unless u're slower than the left most lane, u hv a case to fight, during jams, u'll get summon travelling along road shoulder.

 

sometime i see tp stop on the road shoulder just to catch those speed deamon, can we complain that?

 

Like sikonesis said, umbrella (...ella..ella...ehh...ehhh..... sorry couldn't resist it!!) sign leads to a deep lay-by which allows bikers to take shelter. So no danger there...

 

TP, Police, Ambulances & Fire Trucks are essential vehicles.... Essential vehicles are exempted from this rule as they have a higher purpose, to save lives.... by responding to emergencies or regulating/enforcing speed limits.

 

Does that answer your question, bro?

[sikonesis]

Like sikonesis said, umbrella (...ella..ella...ehh...ehhh..... sorry couldn't resist it!!) sign leads to a deep lay-by which allows bikers to take shelter. So no danger there...

 

erm, wasn't me who said that.

i believe it was IvikaRazI.

[BlackBandit]

erm, wasn't me who said that.

i believe it was IvikaRazI.

 

My bad.... hahahahaha!!!

[shadowclassic97]

All bro,just summit appeal letter thru email( [email protected] ) today wandering correct add and person bo.....

Must wait and see coz summon letter got dateline.

 

Confirmed just got reply letter say that appeal not sucessful.The charge still stand @ $150 conpound and 6 demerit point. Got to settle tis b4 25 Aug.Shall I appeal again or WTH just pay and live wif it !!! :weep: :cry:

Any bro care to advice.

[arthur_chan]

TP, Police, Ambulances & Fire Trucks are essential vehicles.... Essential vehicles are exempted from this rule as they have a higher purpose, to save lives.... by responding to emergencies or regulating/enforcing speed limits.

 

Does that answer your question, bro?

 

what i meant was TP resting on road shoulder to catch speed demons. what if there's a jam or accident in front of them n they're stuck there, cannot turn out. how to let emergency vehicle thru?

 

higher purpose dont mean can break rules anyhow.

[OhMiGosh]

what i meant was TP resting on road shoulder to catch speed demons. what if there's a jam or accident in front of them n they're stuck there, cannot turn out. how to let emergency vehicle thru?

 

higher purpose dont mean can break rules anyhow.

 

seriously i think u are one of those police haters..

[BlackBandit]

what i meant was TP resting on road shoulder to catch speed demons. what if there's a jam or accident in front of them n they're stuck there, cannot turn out. how to let emergency vehicle thru?

 

higher purpose dont mean can break rules anyhow.

 

 

Catching speed demon = resting???

 

If they're resting, they'll be at their base. Not resting at the road shoulder. How ridiculous could that be?

 

On the second part, that is why ambulances, fire engines & police vehicles have blinkers. To warn other motorist to make way for them to attend to an accident & save lives. Even if the traffic is THAT bad, they will have the initiative to call their base and get the TP bikes to attend.

 

 

Aiiiittttt???

[arthur_chan]

seriously i think u are one of those police haters..

 

no, i just feel that we are paying them and they sitting around doing nothing on the expressway. at least if they wanna eat snake, go somewhere ulu, not where everyone can see.

[BlackBandit]

no, i just feel that we are paying them and they sitting around doing nothing on the expressway. at least if they wanna eat snake, go somewhere ulu, not where everyone can see.

 

Your money go into their bank account ah??? GIRO, issit?

 

So, my brother who's a cop and paying tax is self-employed, issit??

 

I'm confused? As I recall, all our taxes go into the government's reserves.