What happens to fines collected by SPF(TP)?

[lutein]

I thought this is SOP, all revenues (including fines) return back to MOF. That's why we have yearly budget to dispense the funds back to the various ministries and stat boards.

[ganman]

I thought this is SOP, all revenues (including fines) return back to MOF. That's why we have yearly budget to dispense the funds back to the various ministries and stat boards.

 

Yes. That's what I thought too until I had to wait more than a month for a reply and still waiting. Thought there would be a standard reply instead I was referred to SPF and then referred again to TP.

[Baphomet]

all goes to the ministers pocket

[GuiNNeSS]

We met?

 

And you assume I must know who you are?

 

And lets assume that I now know who you are.

 

Whats your big idea of asking for answers on this forum instead of thru your officious channel?

 

Its that difficult for the actual people that surrounds you to answer your questions?

 

That you have to come here on this kinda forum to ask questions that you do not believe to be the right answer to your questions?

 

Clocking posts?

[GuiNNeSS]

Anyway, since you requested I pm. I pmed.

 

Please provide your name and nric number such that any QSM is able to trace your request for information and reply you 'officiously'.

 

Dont worry, I wont post it out for whoever is here to see. I just will post it to the QSMs to see.

[ganman]

Well, you gotta ask yourself first if you have any right in the first place to request my name & especially my NRIC number. That's what you PMed me about as well. So I shall bring it out to the open.

I only wanted you to PM me as I wanted to inform you where we had met before in the organization (VSC at "A", at that point of time you were doing administration work. You may have left after so many years.) and maybe we could understand where I was coming from with the reason for posing such a question and maybe put a stop to your irrelevant replies to avoid further embarrassment to yourself. Guess I'm wrong and it won't help to settle anything amicably with your attitude.

 

Your aggressive nature is a completely unjustifiable and I have no idea why you can choose or how you can react in this way.

 

You have no sense of tact in your posts which is making you somewhat a comical figure. It's very amusing replying to you.

 

Anyway I have already asked permission to share MOF's QSM reply. As I mentioned, I am awaiting their reply.

 

I suggest you get in touch with the following:

[email protected]

[email protected];

 

I seem to conclude that by you asking my my name & nric number that you would like to help me? Well. You can email the above to assist me. It's greatly appreciated.

 

If I do "bump" into you one day at "work" or on the roads, I'll come up and talk to you. I usually do pop by "A" once in a while. You're still there right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, since you requested I pm. I pmed.

 

Please provide your name and nric number such that any QSM is able to trace your request for information and reply you 'officiously'.

 

Dont worry, I wont post it out for whoever is here to see. I just will post it to the QSMs to see.

[proradar1]

initially i read wrongly as "What happens to fines collected by SBF(TP)?" assuming those with the post ranking teepee. lol.

which brought me to this very interesting thread.

 

ganman: do update when u got a reply =)

[GuiNNeSS]

LOL, playing games so far, did not suggest you are anyone else other then someone with the delusion of living with information you know from the past, just not where you should apply it.

 

FYI, I was never with 'A' doing administration. And chances are, you didnt know where I've been. 'A' will have been merely one of those stops which I did ventured into.

 

So again I ask, since you ever been in 'A' and does visit regularly. You asking this topic question, did it or did it not, went against something or some notion, that you knew somethings, but is here seeking the answers, which you already knew. But is terribly not happy with.

 

And in the matter of PM. I ask again. What is your name, nric number, letter reference number that you receive regards to your enquiry to the MOF officer.

 

Or is he a friend who you cant reveal the name, which you asked about that information and redirected to TP, not thru the phone?

 

Then please, I really will like to know who your officer you spoke to, written to or has replied you on behalf of which MOF director about redirecting you to TP.

 

Otherwise, its fairly amusing to read about how someone demanding for answers, only he chooses his answers to suit his situation, or prefers to do it without identifying himself.

 

Its further more embraressing that someone who tries to suggest he is not some kuching kurak, but only so far, dares to suggest that others is where and where. or reveals personal information of others, but suggest that he himself should be so mysterious.

 

In any man's world, its called cowards. But hey, what do I know of Men's World.....you are afterall some big officious fella who remains annoymous.

 

*Heck, Its irritating when people assume they are memorable.......

[GuiNNeSS]

Ok, I am late for a dinner.

 

But if you truly need to know about these information, which you are obviously missing the talent to find.

 

You really ought to put yourself into a more officious status, other then being the mysterious fella on any internet asking questions, which you do not desire the answers to be other then you think should be.

 

And if you are a PO, NSF or VSC. Do re-read your OSA again, when you have a chance. If you no longer is serving, then please, do not embraress the teams with suggestions that you were with them, when you post those questions to TP or MOF again.

[GuiNNeSS]

I forgot, I think the information is actually in the Supreme Court Library. But unless you are some seriously officious person, I dont think you can be granted access to those materials, or has the right mind to go wade thru them as a public person.

 

Good luck.

[ganman]

I forgot, I think the information is actually in the Supreme Court Library. But unless you are some seriously officious person, I dont think you can be granted access to those materials, or has the right mind to go wade thru them as a public person.

 

Good luck.

 

The library is open to lawyers & supreme court staff only. Anyway what's the point of going there? How is it related to what we are taking about which is "What happens to fines collected by SPF (TP)?"

http://app.supremecourt.gov.sg/default.aspx?pgid=62

 

Ok, I am late for a dinner.

 

But if you truly need to know about these information, which you are obviously missing the talent to find.

 

You really ought to put yourself into a more officious status, other then being the mysterious fella on any internet asking questions, which you do not desire the answers to be other then you think should be.

 

And if you are a PO, NSF or VSC. Do re-read your OSA again, when you have a chance. If you no longer is serving, then please, do not embraress the teams with suggestions that you were with them, when you post those questions to TP or MOF again.

 

You have a wild imagination.

 

 

LOL, playing games so far, did not suggest you are anyone else other then someone with the delusion of living with information you know from the past, just not where you should apply it.

 

FYI, I was never with 'A' doing administration. And chances are, you didnt know where I've been. 'A' will have been merely one of those stops which I did ventured into.

 

So again I ask, since you ever been in 'A' and does visit regularly. You asking this topic question, did it or did it not, went against something or some notion, that you knew somethings, but is here seeking the answers, which you already knew. But is terribly not happy with.

 

And in the matter of PM. I ask again. What is your name, nric number, letter reference number that you receive regards to your enquiry to the MOF officer.

 

Or is he a friend who you cant reveal the name, which you asked about that information and redirected to TP, not thru the phone?

 

Then please, I really will like to know who your officer you spoke to, written to or has replied you on behalf of which MOF director about redirecting you to TP.

 

Otherwise, its fairly amusing to read about how someone demanding for answers, only he chooses his answers to suit his situation, or prefers to do it without identifying himself.

 

Its further more embraressing that someone who tries to suggest he is not some kuching kurak, but only so far, dares to suggest that others is where and where. or reveals personal information of others, but suggest that he himself should be so mysterious.

 

In any man's world, its called cowards. But hey, what do I know of Men's World.....you are afterall some big officious fella who remains annoymous.

 

*Heck, Its irritating when people assume they are memorable.......

 

Yet another example of your wild imagination.

 

Feel sad for you that you could come up with such weird thoughts with your imagination without any substantial facts or figures.

 

Just bad luck to this thread that you decided to pounce on it and ruin it. It would have been an interesting discussion without your interference. It certainly has been brought out of point. Anymore topics to discuss without significant relevance to this thread?

[GuiNNeSS]

Well, looking at how many threads you started, hoping for a serious discussion, which kinda tells other people, thru this thread, you are looking for a discussion, only by like minded persons like yourself, giving you your discussion, the directions you only want to take.

 

Good luck on your posting of so many new threads to kinda lead people to your point of view discussion.

 

And I do have a wide imagination, thats what this forum is about.

 

But if you figured you are better off somewhere, or in you case, assumed you are a better person somewhere............then well....good luck again.

[ganman]

Well, looking at how many threads you started, hoping for a serious discussion, which kinda tells other people, thru this thread, you are looking for a discussion, only by like minded persons like yourself, giving you your discussion, the directions you only want to take.

 

Good luck on your posting of so many new threads to kinda lead people to your point of view discussion.

 

And I do have a wide imagination, thats what this forum is about.

 

But if you figured you are better off somewhere, or in you case, assumed you are a better person somewhere............then well....good luck again.

 

So? What are you driving at? What's your point? This will be probably go unanswered as I practically have no idea what you are saying. I guess you go by the motto "If you can't convince you confuse".

 

As expected, you really do enjoy discussing topics without significant relevance to this thread. If you have nothing valid to write about, stop writing which I know you won't. Come on prove me wrong.

 

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Edited March 12, 2009 by ganman

[ganman]

Well... finally a reply. Interesting to note that this reply is not from MOF but from SPF. Seems like they cut & paste our replies. haha anyway at least they responded to reinforce the points.

"The fines collected by SPF are credited into the Consolidated Fund, which is constituted by Article 145 of the Constitution, and is intended for expenditures relating to "the public services of Singapore", other than "purposes necessary or related to the development of Singapore". The Consolidated Fund primarily funds the annual operating expenditure of the Government. Data on the revenue collected by SPF for fines can be found at http://www.singaporebudget.gov.sg/revenue_expenditure/attachment/Revenue_Estimates.pdf."

[huairen]

so this is it?

 

the end of the query?

[GuiNNeSS]

Well... finally a reply. Interesting to note that this reply is not from MOF but from SPF. Seems like they cut & paste our replies. haha anyway at least they responded to reinforce the points.

"The fines collected by SPF are credited into the Consolidated Fund, which is constituted by Article 145 of the Constitution, and is intended for expenditures relating to "the public services of Singapore", other than "purposes necessary or related to the development of Singapore". The Consolidated Fund primarily funds the annual operating expenditure of the Government. Data on the revenue collected by SPF for fines can be found at http://www.singaporebudget.gov.sg/revenue_expenditure/attachment/Revenue_Estimates.pdf."

 

 

Argh yes......so its the TP that compiles the Consolidated funds....

 

Thats very interesting to know. And someone obviously need to provide the name of the MOF officer that is paid for not doing their job.

 

We really should have more civil serpents that tells people to go elsewhere to look for gahment budget information.......

 

Goes to show, some authorious people really do cut a clout with some really authoritative people.

 

 

 

 

BTW, to confuse the issues more......let me suggest that the information or the weblink posted, was not limited to gahment servants. That link and information is available to the public, who did their searches and READ the information, irregardless whether it fits their desires or understanding of that subject.

[ganman]

so this is it?

 

the end of the query?

 

Yes... my friend. Guess it's the end. Unless you want to really break it down even more and ask what's the the expenditure for the TP bikes for a particular FY.

 

I'll leave that to the rest of the public if they are interested to know the information.

[Simmz]

Hmmmmm.. something like the money no enough 2 movie? all money suck into MAS highly safe security stash..

[Sprinta03]

They keep it in a fund-

 

after tat used for tp outing la-

 

wakaka-bump into this thread-

 

cao!!

[Team_Commander]

wooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

 

i siam away.

[sICkbOi-dOt-cOm]

Don't want to ask per day how much "Fines" collected???

[Simmz]

To us it's fines, to them is profit.

[sypxchocolate]

i would personally praise ganman for starting this thread ..

 

if i havent read this thread i would not have thought about it and did not question where to all the money we use to pay our fines goes to ...

 

and from the statics that you posted

 

Revised Revenue for 2008

FINES AND FORFEITURES: Total: S$155,770,000

1.Court Fines and Forfeitures S$37,926,000

2. Traffic Fines S$32,362,000

3. Composition Fines and Penalties S$13,500,000

4. Other Fines and Penalties S$71,982,000

 

then i know we citizen are paying so much fines in a year??

 

 

come to think of it .. izit the singapore's minster the highest paid in the world ?

[BlackBandit]

So, the amount of fines would translate to S'porean motorists being less than law-abiding, eh?? So, who's fault is it? Would we prefer lesser enforcement and risk anarchy on the roads? We complain on illegal parking but then again, we are culprits also.

 

I wonder what's the gist of it all? To query on public expenditure? Right.......

 

Frankly, I think that S'pore is no different than any other developed country when it pertains to matters concerning consolidated funds, reserves, etc. Only that we're full of whiners....

[BlackBandit]

come to think of it .. izit the singapore's minster the highest paid in the world ?

 

Yup..... They're on par with CEOs and other executives at a similar level. It's called parity. You do this amount of work with this amount of responsibility, this is the payoff then...

 

So, you'd rather they be poorly paid and allow corruption to seep in?