Bike breakdown = parking offence?

[trixxy]

If your bike breakdown and you park at the walking pavement beside the road waitng for the tow truck, is it an offence?

[WawanAprilia]

nope but u gotta get ya vehicle cleared within a day .. tats wat the police called me and inform me

[Simmz]

If your bike breakdown and you park at the walking pavement beside the road waitng for the tow truck, is it an offence?

 

Legally yes, you are obstructing pedestrian on the foot pavement. Usually if you received such letter, you could appeal to them and provide with them your vehicle towing receipt u obtain from the workshop stating the situation.

[trixxy]

This incident happened to me few weeks ago. When I received the summon letter, I wanted to appeal but don't have the towing receipt. So I went back to the workshop ask for the receipt however the date is different already. Boss said cannot issue me past dated receipt otherwise his logbook cannot tally with his receipt no. He ask me to explain this in my appeal letter instead. I did what he said.

 

Few weeks later, that means now, I received the reply from tp. The appeal was unsuccessful. This is what they wrote:

 

We have reviewed your case and note that there is a traffic offence disclosed. We are taking enforcement action at the vicinity in order to prevent the situation from becoming worst. As such, we are unable to waive the charge... bla bla bla...

 

What exactly does that mean? They don't believe what I explained or parking on the pavement despite vehicle breakdown is also an offence?I hope they could give me a better reason otherwise it is very unjustifiable to pay for the summon. Should I write to them again?

[IvikaRazI]

This incident happened to me few weeks ago. When I received the summon letter, I wanted to appeal but don't have the towing receipt. So I went back to the workshop ask for the receipt however the date is different already. Boss said cannot issue me past dated receipt otherwise his logbook cannot tally with his receipt no. He ask me to explain this in my appeal letter instead. I did what he said.

 

Few weeks later, that means now, I received the reply from tp. The appeal was unsuccessful. This is what they wrote:

 

We have reviewed your case and note that there is a traffic offence disclosed. We are taking enforcement action at the vicinity in order to prevent the situation from becoming worst. As such, we are unable to waive the charge... bla bla bla...

 

What exactly does that mean? They don't believe what I explained or parking on the pavement despite vehicle breakdown is also an offence?I hope they could give me a better reason otherwise it is very unjustifiable to pay for the summon. Should I write to them again?

 

You can try if you want to. From what I can see, the appeal will still be unsuccessful because of lack of evidance. Tell the show to write a letter describing the situation. Maybe that will help since the receipt cannot be changed. Attach the shop's letter to your appeal letter. Its worth a try, unless your bikeshop dun wanna cooperate.

[trixxy]

You can try if you want to. From what I can see, the appeal will still be unsuccessful because of lack of evidance. Tell the show to write a letter describing the situation. Maybe that will help since the receipt cannot be changed. Attach the shop's letter to your appeal letter. Its worth a try, unless your bikeshop dun wanna cooperate.

 

The letter somehow replied vaguely, if they think it is lack of evidence they could have wrote in the letter. Now I don't know which is which, unless someone can confirm that bike breakdown ≠ parking offence at pavement. If really must pay for this it really feels like bird droppings fall on your head 2 times in one day. Swayx2.

[lutein]

Parking on pavement is an offence, simple as that. Providing evidence that it's a breakdown is just giving a reason for parking on the pavement, hoping that the TP will waive it in view of your special circumstances.

[BlackBandit]

Parking on pavement is an offence, simple as that. Providing evidence that it's a breakdown is just giving a reason for parking on the pavement, hoping that the TP will waive it in view of your special circumstances.

 

 

My sentiment's the same. An offence is still an offence. Your reasoning is an excuse to mitigate but not a guarantee of a waiver.

 

However, this begs the question. How long was your bike left on the pavement? If you had called the tow truck immediately after it broke down, I doubt that you would be summoned cos you would be there waiting for the tow truck. Even if you had to leave for an urgent appointment, the tow truck response time is approximately an hour. That is unless the bike was left there for a more than a day....

[w00t]

use a bike cover the next time. almost fool-proof cos its dirty to touch. haha

[Nick_Lee]

My sentiment's the same. An offence is still an offence. Your reasoning is an excuse to mitigate but not a guarantee of a waiver.

 

However, this begs the question. How long was your bike left on the pavement? If you had called the tow truck immediately after it broke down, I doubt that you would be summoned cos you would be there waiting for the tow truck. Even if you had to leave for an urgent appointment, the tow truck response time is approximately an hour. That is unless the bike was left there for a more than a day....

 

precisely... the longest period of time i have had to wait for the tow truck was 2 hours. moreover, dating a receipt with the workshop shld not be a prob, just get the tow truck driver or workshop owner to write down date and time of tow. date of receipt and towing date dun need to tally. its like servicing the bike spread over 3 days.

 

day 1-fix bike.

day 2-fix engine.

day 3-issue receipt=bike was only serviced on day 3? hmm...

[trixxy]

precisely... the longest period of time i have had to wait for the tow truck was 2 hours. moreover, dating a receipt with the workshop shld not be a prob, just get the tow truck driver or workshop owner to write down date and time of tow. date of receipt and towing date dun need to tally. its like servicing the bike spread over 3 days.

 

day 1-fix bike.

day 2-fix engine.

day 3-issue receipt=bike was only serviced on day 3? hmm...

 

Yup I parked for about 1 hour plus for the tow truck. My date of receipt and summon date is 1 week apart. Date of receipt and number need to be in order according to them because it subjects to audit and taxation.

[arthur_chan]

Yup I parked for about 1 hour plus for the tow truck. My date of receipt and summon date is 1 week apart. Date of receipt and number need to be in order according to them because it subjects to audit and taxation.

 

if u can explain how come the bike take 1 week to fix, maybe can pass. pls attach a copy of the receipt to them also.

 

to addon, it could be the tp dont like the way u parked, obstructing pedestrians. there was once i saw a bike parking in the centre of a T walkway n put a piece of paper saying 'bike spoilt'. really feel like kicking it at that time.

[trixxy]

Parking on pavement is an offence, simple as that. Providing evidence that it's a breakdown is just giving a reason for parking on the pavement, hoping that the TP will waive it in view of your special circumstances.

 

My sentiment's the same. An offence is still an offence. Your reasoning is an excuse to mitigate but not a guarantee of a waiver.

 

I understand that it is an offence however it should be excused under exclusion clause. Giving me a fine doesn't stop me from commiting it again if my vehicle were to breakdown in future as this is something not within one's control.

 

use a bike cover the next time. almost fool-proof cos its dirty to touch. haha

 

Thanks for the advise however the tow truck might have some problems to identify my bike.

 

if u can explain how come the bike take 1 week to fix, maybe can pass. pls attach a copy of the receipt to them also.

 

to addon, it could be the tp dont like the way u parked, obstructing pedestrians. there was once i saw a bike parking in the centre of a T walkway n put a piece of paper saying 'bike spoilt'. really feel like kicking it at that time.

 

I will try to appeal one more time, providing more evidence. I park it to the edge near the grass and purposely choose an area with few pedestrains also kenna. I hope he is not trying to like abuse his rights as I heard many stories of how some tp treated motorist unfairly, like catch u for little thing and upsizing fine if you talk back etc..

[BlackBandit]

Yup I parked for about 1 hour plus for the tow truck.

 

If you were there with your bike waiting for an hour for the tow truck, shouldn't you have seen the TP officer as he arrived to summon your bike?

[trixxy]

If you were there with your bike waiting for an hour for the tow truck, shouldn't you have seen the TP officer as he arrived to summon your bike?

 

I wasn't there for some time.. the tow truck driver said he will reach in 1+ hr so I went for my appt first.

[ost28]

i have a friend who told me to do this if my vehicle breaks down and is stuck somewhere.

 

Take a branch if possible with some leaves and stick it up somewhere on ur bike.(ie exhaust back seat etc)

i have no idea if that is a "broken down vehicle! Dun SUMMON ME!!" symbol..

but apparently it worked for my friends car and bike.. nv get someone b4 when broken down somewhere.

[sheep]

i got mine waived.sent in my receipt for tow and a letter explaining why.

In the letter, i stated that i do not want to risk causing accident or obstruct traffic by parking on the road along double yellow line. and i parked on the pedestrian walkway with as little hindrance to the public.

[lutein]

I understand that it is an offence however it should be excused under exclusion clause. Giving me a fine doesn't stop me from commiting it again if my vehicle were to breakdown in future as this is something not within one's control.

 

You don't seem to understand - there is no such thing as an "exclusion clause" in this case. What you committed is clearly an offence. What you have are mitigating factors, reasons that the TP may use to excuse you.

[arthur_chan]

the thing is if ur vehicle break down, u're suppose to be there with it until the tow arrive. if the tp really wants, he still can summon u, + send to nea for another summon for vandalising trees.

[Team_Commander]

go and see mp??

[Nick_Lee]

Yup I parked for about 1 hour plus for the tow truck. My date of receipt and summon date is 1 week apart. Date of receipt and number need to be in order according to them because it subjects to audit and taxation.

 

so u mean to say that u sent in to TP with ur receipt stating the date of tow and u still got rejected?

 

i dun think you shld have any problems getting the driver to write and sign a letter, proving that your bike broke down.

 

i think with all the info provided u shld have no problems with the appeal.

[arthur_chan]

so u mean to say that u sent in to TP with ur receipt stating the date of tow and u still got rejected?

 

i dun think you shld have any problems getting the driver to write and sign a letter, proving that your bike broke down.

 

i think with all the info provided u shld have no problems with the appeal.

 

he didn't hv the tow receipt.

[Nick_Lee]

he didn't hv the tow receipt.

 

then go get 1...

 

or u can draft a letter. ask the driver to sign... unless u can't find the driver... alternatively... juz pay up...

[trixxy]

i have a friend who told me to do this if my vehicle breaks down and is stuck somewhere.

 

Take a branch if possible with some leaves and stick it up somewhere on ur bike.(ie exhaust back seat etc)

i have no idea if that is a "broken down vehicle! Dun SUMMON ME!!" symbol..

but apparently it worked for my friends car and bike.. nv get someone b4 when broken down somewhere.

 

This might cause vandalism. However it do show clue that you are trying to convey some message to others though. If really got "next time" will try it, but with dead leaves instead.

 

i got mine waived.sent in my receipt for tow and a letter explaining why.

In the letter, i stated that i do not want to risk causing accident or obstruct traffic by parking on the road along double yellow line. and i parked on the pedestrian walkway with as little hindrance to the public.

 

This helps.. Thanks for that.

 

You don't seem to understand - there is no such thing as an "exclusion clause" in this case. What you committed is clearly an offence. What you have are mitigating factors, reasons that the TP may use to excuse you.

 

Yup you're right that I got mitigating factors that make me commit this offence. I just telling u that it should be waived because in my circumstances it is reasonable enough. Of course he can charge me, but that makes him unreasonable.

 

the thing is if ur vehicle break down, u're suppose to be there with it until the tow arrive. if the tp really wants, he still can summon u, + send to nea for another summon for vandalising trees.

 

Emm.. I don't think there is a rule that states the person must be there until the tow arrive, but rather it will be excused from summon more effectively. I got a friend who still got summon because his bike got no more petrol and parked at double yellow lines, waiting for his friend to bring him petrol. Tp said he failed to maintain basic working condition of vehicle causing danger, double charge. And what has it got to do with the trees?

 

go and see mp??

 

Thinking for that too but they usually write very short letter in few sentences no matter how many things u feel it should be included in the letter.

 

so u mean to say that u sent in to TP with ur receipt stating the date of tow and u still got rejected?

 

i dun think you shld have any problems getting the driver to write and sign a letter, proving that your bike broke down.

 

i think with all the info provided u shld have no problems with the appeal.

he didn't hv the tow receipt.

then go get 1...

 

or u can draft a letter. ask the driver to sign... unless u can't find the driver... alternatively... juz pay up...

 

I do have the tow receipt, it is together with the repair. Just that the date is 1 week apart from summon date.

 

To Nick_Lee: Yup I got rejected despite sending in the receipt. I don't think its a good idea to disturb the tow driver for this kind of trivia stuff to them. Just one last appeal to tp by me if cannot then so be it.

Edited April 7, 2009 by trixxy

[Nick_Lee]

 

To Nick_Lee: Yup I got rejected despite sending in the receipt. I don't think its a good idea to disturb the tow driver for this kind of trivia stuff to them. Just one last appeal to tp by me if cannot then so be it.

 

if u have such gd grounds why pay the fine? how much is the fine? $100?? well if i was made to pay $100 bucks for something that i didn't do, i would get pretty pissed. Drafting a letter and looking for the driver would be something like a 1.5 hrs thing. saving u 100 bucks... i think its pretty worth it. IF u want to pay, i have got no complaints... but i still think that being accused of doing something that u didnt do, won't make me feel very gd...