Kawasaki Ninja

[rvf7972]

Originally posted by Nok97@Dec 18 2004, 10:57 AM

Now theres new capt on the board liao.

LOLzzz..... Chief Hougang!!!!

 

 

u mean the "Silent Killer" ?

 

 

[Alex31]

Originally posted by MS@Dec 18 2004, 09:43 PM

What?! Teck Thye again?! Suspension king ah... haha... For safety sake please think twice. He screw up pple suspensions. For those who screwed their suspensions by him will know the pains.

 

Refer your after market suspension to the agent. Anyway original suspensions cannot service. Must buy new one. Unless that person has spec-card from the manufacturer. Otherwise never anyhow believe he can re build original shocks. And while he's doing it, check out his work on the spot.

 

Suspensions very impt.

Hi MS,

 

Can you justify your stand? If not, please do not input incorrect information on this thread. Are you sure that the supension cannot be serviced?

[MS]

Originally posted by Alex31@Dec 19 2004, 05:47 PM

Hi MS,

 

Can you justify your stand? If not, please do not input incorrect information on this thread. Are you sure that the supension cannot be serviced?

Wo wo.. got pple very hot already.

 

Suspensions are very important for track players. Especially many original suspensions start to fad after some laps depending how hard you ride. My G6K1 original shock faded after continuosly less than 15 laps. So apart from tyres brakes and your skills... a good suspension can determine whether you superman in the track or not.

 

When you service your rear shock, how do you do it? You know how many bars to pump in the nitro? How much oil to use for your shock? What grade of oil? These are very critical facts required to do up your rear shock.

 

When rebuilding it, what kind of valves you use? How thick are the shim pads you going to use? Unless you using genuie racetech or bitubo stuffs which already properly engineered for you with the above specs then its a different case. If anyone who deedahahpah say can service your rear shock and re build it without proper manufacturers' specs then you'd better be careful. I'm not saying it totally cannot do it. But there's condition applies.

 

->I did mention something about spec cards right? If you're into suspensions, i'm pretty sure you know whats that.

 

As for Mr David (Teck Thye), I don't go to him anymore because he screwed up damn big on me.

 

->Do hear me out why I say this way. I bought a 46PRCLS in the past. Then within a month some screeching noise appeared. Although the shock was working good when I trashed it on the track, it won't be nice if you keep hearing the 'squeak' whenever it's hot. So I went to Sporting and Ferros gave me crap reasons and refused warranty. Then I went to Teck Thye. After servicing done by him, initially when I rode the bike when the suspension was cold, it felt ok. But when I it got hot, the rebound damping became inconsistant. This is of extreme peril for track playing. Luckily I didn't bring this back to track yet. I immediately emailed to ohlins Sweden and they shot back to Sporting. Joe called me shortly and asked me why didn't i find him instead. He checked my shock and told me that I have inconsistant rebound damping. "How on earth did he find out?! I didn't tell him!" He offered to re service my shock although it was previously serviced by unauthorised personnel.

 

TO My HORROR!!! When Henry stripped my 46PRCLS, there was a broken plastic disc inside the rear shock! One look and you can tell its not supposed to be inside the suspension. Henry threw away that disc and shook his head. "What oil is this?!" Henry asked,"2T ah?!" wah lau...

 

After servicing, my 46PRCLS, the rear shock went back to normal. But the sound is still there. So Joe offered to do a 1 on 1 exchange. Then lady luck smiled at me. Ohlins sent me a 46PRXLS which is a $1.8k. $400 more than my C model. And Joe said "Never mind, just pay the air freight. Forget about the cost difference of the rear shock." The air freight was $80. I paid upfront and took the new shock w/o thinking twice.

 

I have another friend who knows Teck Thye for many years. And the mention of him makes his blood boil. Ah Joe also wanna shake his head when talking about Teck Thye. He has damaged many other pple's rear shock also. He can do the same to me, so I believe I'm not the first or only one. So now you know why I so dulan Teck Thye? Anyhow do one.

 

If you don't believe, I got no choice. Why not pop over to Sporting now in MAh to talk to Joe and say you let Teck thye serviced your ohlins. See whats his reaction.

Its not groundless info as you've mentioned if I dunno my stuffs better dun anyhow write.

 

Haha... Anyway, the aim of this reply is to advertise for some of the products my friend holds agentship to - Bitubo. As under mentioned...

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I'm now trying out the Bitubo on my new bike. I must say fantastic. My skills on the track got problem. So I only managed a 1'54". But I exchanged my bike with that same friend who know teck thye for years, he managed a 1'40" on the same bike and came back full of praise for the suspensions. We tried on the same bike with totally different techniques. and we only have praises on the 04 R1 on Bitubo rear shock and Bitubo front suspension spring & cartridge which I built into the suspension with Andrew M. And a Bitubo steering damper. The bike was fantastic matched with C43 brake pads and HEL brake hose and a pair of RS2 made in July and september 2004... (Though I need more practice). I think anyone who plays track and intend to push hard should try out Bitubo. Its a cheaper alternative yet same degree of performance.

 

I haven't tried trashing on a Penske yet. Heard locally its another up and coming suspension. Anybody really whacked a Penske on the track before?

 

So please don't get angry for some of my words. I don't say things anyhow w/o going through it myself. For parts that I dare to recommend, its as good as putting my reputation on the chopping board. So I won't anyhow recommend any product.

 

Up till now, allow me to do some advertisement for the products I support.

 

MOTUL oils

300V 15w50 - highly recommended for local >400cc bikes.

 

DID

Light and durable. Its also cheaper than many competitors.

 

BITUBO

Read above

 

OHLINS

Do I need to elaborate? Its Ohlins.

 

CARBON LORRAINE

C43, SBK3 -> Great pads

 

AP

Supersport sintered -> Affordable and works as good as SBK3

 

HEL

Affordable and works as good as SWAGE

 

SWAGE PLOT BRAKE SYSTEM

Good performance but costs much more than HEL.

 

PIRELLI

Diablo Corsa, SC2

 

METZELER

RS2

 

Contact Motorworld or Excel cycles (68422360) for the above products. As for Bitubo, contact Unity.

 

Thanks for reading my long reply.

[Nok97]

Lolz.. another unsatisfied customer..

 

[busakiller]

Originally posted by Nok97@Dec 19 2004, 08:03 PM

Lolz.. another unsatisfied customer..

 

[currypuff]

Originally posted by MS@Dec 19 2004, 06:46 PM

As for Mr David (Teck Thye), I don't go to him anymore because he screwed up damn big on me.

 

TO My HORROR!!! When Henry stripped my 46PRCLS, there was a broken plastic disc inside the rear shock! One look and you can tell its not supposed to be inside the suspension. Henry threw away that disc and shook his head. "What oil is this?!" Henry asked,"2T ah?!" wah lau...

Hey, MS. It's good you share your experience in the open. It seems Teck Thye is a very controversial shop. Some say good, others say bad.

However it is, I think it's good that the riding public be kept informed of the potential downfalls. Those who disagree can always rebutt back.

 

Everytime we go into a shop to do some major servicing, it costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars. These are hard-earned cash that should not be wasted on unscrupulous shops. It could be better spent on a trip or that new HP.

Honest mistakes is one thing, but if what you said is true, such dishonest practices should be exposed & such shops blacklisted.

 

I don't know about David, but I'm sure you all agree that there are much more bad shops out there than good ones. So although there are bound to be arguments, I think it is to the consumer's benefit that these things be discussed so that we can make informed choices as to which shops to visit.

 

I was thinking of going to Teck Thye in future to revalve my shock & forks, but now, hhmmmm...

[Alex31]

Originally posted by busakiller@Dec 20 2004, 12:26 AM

Please stop posing the pig here....

[Alex31]

Originally posted by currypuff@Dec 20 2004, 04:22 AM

Hey, MS. It's good you share your experience in the open. It seems Teck Thye is a very controversial shop. Some say good, others say bad.

However it is, I think it's good that the riding public be kept informed of the potential downfalls. Those who disagree can always rebutt back.

 

Everytime we go into a shop to do some major servicing, it costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars. These are hard-earned cash that should not be wasted on unscrupulous shops. It could be better spent on a trip or that new HP.

Honest mistakes is one thing, but if what you said is true, such dishonest practices should be exposed & such shops blacklisted.

 

I don't know about David, but I'm sure you all agree that there are much more bad shops out there than good ones. So although there are bound to be arguments, I think it is to the consumer's benefit that these things be discussed so that we can make informed choices as to which shops to visit.

 

I was thinking of going to Teck Thye in future to revalve my shock & forks, but now, hhmmmm...

Hi Curry,

 

What you said is true. I am not piss off but I just want MS to state out what he has input. We just can't write something that has no proof. For what you know, I dun even known where is Teck Thye.

 

Cheers

Alex

[bio-Bee]

Originally posted by currypuff@Dec 20 2004, 04:22 AM

Hey, MS. It's good you share your experience in the open. It seems Teck Thye is a very controversial shop. Some say good, others say bad.

However it is, I think it's good that the riding public be kept informed of the potential downfalls. Those who disagree can always rebutt back.

 

Everytime we go into a shop to do some major servicing, it costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars. These are hard-earned cash that should not be wasted on unscrupulous shops. It could be better spent on a trip or that new HP.

Honest mistakes is one thing, but if what you said is true, such dishonest practices should be exposed & such shops blacklisted.

 

I don't know about David, but I'm sure you all agree that there are much more bad shops out there than good ones. So although there are bound to be arguments, I think it is to the consumer's benefit that these things be discussed so that we can make informed choices as to which shops to visit.

 

I was thinking of going to Teck Thye in future to revalve my shock & forks, but now, hhmmmm...

doin suspension? go to bikelab, joshua da suspension tuning master

 

give him a chance and give us a FR when you done..

i got no $ to get a penske rear shock fr him, but at least i can help him get more customer.... hee...

[Nok97]

Originally posted by busakiller@Dec 20 2004, 12:26 AM

ken.. welcome welcome....

[Nok97]

Originally posted by bio-Bee@Dec 20 2004, 10:45 AM

doin suspension? go to bikelab, joshua da suspension tuning master

 

give him a chance and give us a FR when you done..

i got no $ to get a penske rear shock fr him, but at least i can help him get more customer.... hee...

suspension is very impt to every bike..who is gd.. who is bad.. we cant say much.

Oni god knows...bikelab. tech thye. MSC.. etc etc.. all hv their gd N bad.. some prise abt motorworld.. But myself hv a bad expri with them.. so how? shd i condemn they?? LOlz...

[Nok97]

Originally posted by il4@Dec 16 2004, 12:34 PM

yes, indeed you are the lucky one out there.

 

 

the past 10yrs on a 9R, I dunno what have you done to it since you are part of "team One" that frequent Teck Thye.....

 

all i know is that the 9R experience geometerical problems and it sits like a chopper.

 

Research from a certain well established suspension tuner concluded that 9R needs plenty of ride height period!

 

 

by picking up the the rear, ya giving some healthy downslop to the swingarm effectively altering the chain geometery and reducing the trail. (check wheel base at 1415, its like a bus).

 

This is probably the common set up that many racers favours if they race a 9R.

 

now although your suggested suspension set up results in packing.....packing reduces your suspension stroke and it doesnt have enough time to fully rebound back.....hence when packing occurs (the past 10 years), your nose actually starts pointing down and gives you the "idea" set up that leads u to believe that this is the correct suspension setting.....i probably go towards the right and safe avenue of doing it....not teck thye style.

 

 

thats why i say, ya lucky that you got away dispite having a suspension that dive

 

 

and refuses to rebound......

 

 

and you suggested this is the ideal set up for a 10R? whose wheelbase is only 1385mm?

 

i dunno, I might be juz bullshitting coz i dun ride big bikes,i'm kinda sharing my thoughts(thought i dun ride a big bike), I'm juz a new rider who is trying to fit into the kwacker family.....

 

 

Cheers!

yes, indeed you are the lucky one out there.

the past 10yrs on a 9R, I dunno what have you done to it ....

 

Hmmm FYI.. i don own 9R for the past 10Yrs.. Lolz..

9R C1 is "born" in 1998..

ChEEr!!

[rvf7972]

Originally posted by Alex31@Dec 20 2004, 10:14 AM

Please stop posing the pig here....

 

its a beautiful bike lah..

 

[Nok97]

Originally posted by rvf7972@Dec 20 2004, 12:11 PM

 

its a beautiful bike lah..

 

I'm skipper ar??

[rvf7972]

Originally posted by Nok97@Dec 20 2004, 12:16 PM

I'm skipper ar??

not skipper lah..

 

sprinter !!!

 

:sweat:

[Alex31]

Originally posted by rvf7972@Dec 20 2004, 12:11 PM

 

its a beautiful bike lah..

 

Did you say that with all your heart???

[Throttle]

I'm the one with the niner C1 model..........

[Kman]

Originally posted by Alex31@Dec 20 2004, 10:14 AM

Please stop posing the pig here....

Now Now be nice ok ppl we are all riders comments like this may cause sensitive ppl to erupt

[Alex31]

Yes Kman, your wish is my command! But don't you let me catch you doing it!

 

J/K

[Guest GuiNNeSS]

Have been MIA for awhile, seems like this thread has moved on considerably since my last visit.

 

Hope all you guys are ok.

 

Anyway, have ppl oogled at the new ZX636R yet? Just some stuff to wet your appetite......

 

petal rotors front and rear, radial pump + calipers, slipper clutch, underseat exhuast, 120++ hp

 

go find yer own pics...... hehehehehe

[Guest GuiNNeSS]

Originally posted by il4@Dec 20 2004, 04:45 PM

I'm sorry, Like i said before, I'm juz a new rider trying to fit into the Kwacker Family.....

 

I cant pit against you guys with big bikes and vast riding experience.....please guide me.

[rvf7972]

err i notice two ppl siggy is same..

 

 

did u guys notice.. they got 2 have somehting in comon..

 

[Nok97]

Originally posted by il4@Dec 20 2004, 04:45 PM

I'm sorry, Like i said before, I'm juz a new rider trying to fit into the Kwacker Family.....

 

I cant pit against you guys with big bikes and vast riding experience.....please guide me.

wei wei... everyone here is new.. i still learning n progrezzin.. is not abt

big bike or riding experience.. ever met some guy rode 20 over yrs N tok lik kid!

share wat u know man.. let all learn something..

ChEEr!

 

[MS]

Originally posted by currypuff@Dec 20 2004, 04:22 AM

Hey, MS. It's good you share your experience in the open. It seems Teck Thye is a very controversial shop. Some say good, others say bad.

However it is, I think it's good that the riding public be kept informed of the potential downfalls. Those who disagree can always rebutt back.

 

Everytime we go into a shop to do some major servicing, it costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars. These are hard-earned cash that should not be wasted on unscrupulous shops. It could be better spent on a trip or that new HP.

Honest mistakes is one thing, but if what you said is true, such dishonest practices should be exposed & such shops blacklisted.

 

I don't know about David, but I'm sure you all agree that there are much more bad shops out there than good ones. So although there are bound to be arguments, I think it is to the consumer's benefit that these things be discussed so that we can make informed choices as to which shops to visit.

 

I was thinking of going to Teck Thye in future to revalve my shock & forks, but now, hhmmmm...

These are 1st hand experiences. He was still able to explain about his suspensions and it sounded so powerful. But when on practical, it was total crap. Honest mistakes or not, I think safety is 1st priority.

 

Rebuilding shocks should be DONE ONLY BY QUALIFIED AGENTS. I have replaced the originals with Bitubo Cartridges and springs for my 04R1 before with Andrew Morrice in his workshop together and now know how to modify forks. I found out that it is not as simple as you see. There're many special tools to aid operations. Many types of oil to choose but only 1 correct grade after you revalve. Some time back during my ohlins incident, I saw how Henry did with Brian when they did my rear shock. But they were going too fast for me to catch everything. But 1 thing I confirm is that its not as simple as many pple would expect.

 

Rebuilding shocks or servicing suspensions or anything, it is a very good thing to practice participation. I make it a point to participate in every single surgery my bikes have to go through. I got reprimanded severely by some mechanics for my mistakes before. But in exchange you learn. Learn to do everything yourself and don't leave to the mechanics to do everything. Buy the mechanic's service manual from the agent which was what I did. Read through it and apply hands-on on the bikes 1st hand experience. Clarify if unsure. This will ultimately increase your knowledge on bikes.

 

Never rely on the magazines too much. Don't let the mechanic talk so much c***. But put the words into action and show that its workable. And participate. So you know what did the mechanic do. Some mechanics always tell their customers to go drink kopi come later blah blah... If they like that then forget it. Go to another shop. A trustworthy mechanic won't mind if you take the tools and start working for them. Anyway, you relieve their burden yet you're a paying customer. Also, do be informed that if you do yourself, you're at a better position to slash price.

 

Last time when I bought AP brake pads which were priced at $57/ea , I told them I wanna 'da-bao' and Kenji and his brothers charged me $45/ea instead. So you see the savings on the long run? I bought NGK (Iridium) CR9EIX at $14/ea, Suzuki Oil filters $12-$14, Motul 300V $20/L, When most pple pay $90 for changing fork oil & seals, I paid $18 only. There're many other things I got at special rates due to 'da-bao'. But few will bother to get dirty with their bikes.

 

Many consumers normally pass the bikes to the mechanics and expect a 100% super good job. Which is impossible. I'm a mechanic in the gahment sector and I produce lousy jobs when I'm on bad mood or coming across a vehicle which belongs to some screw up Warrant. This is very normal.

 

Thank you for reading my long reply.

[MS]

Originally posted by Nok97@Dec 20 2004, 10:02 PM

wei wei... everyone here is new.. i still learning n progrezzin.. is not abt

big bike or riding experience.. ever met some guy rode 20 over yrs N tok lik kid!

share wat u know man.. let all learn something..

ChEEr!

 

I'd like to take this opportunity to advertise for Bitubo and why its good to choose Bitubo.

 

When I bought my rear shock, I was given a chance to tell them my body weight and what I intend to do with the suspensions. In turn, I got a rear shock which was worth my money. It was set perfectly. After my track session, I checked my suspensions when I got home. My preload used until

 

Also only buy the right suspensions. I was told by Sporting in the past that different bikes have suspensions. Eg. Ohlins rear shock for GSXR750 & GSXR1000 are different suspensions. Many factors can contribute to the difference. If you fit the wrong one even if the brackets allow, you can crash easily. The swing-arm leverage, brackets, riding geometry etc. causes the suspensions to differ. So don’t anyhow fit another bike’s suspension into your bike even if the bracket allows. It may look the same, but the inside could be different. All it takes is just one difference on the rear shock with you pushing it hard. And you can experience the shiokness of rushing air beneath your free body.

 

In Bitubo, you also get to choose the different types of suspensions. There’s a 2 regonzailioni and 4 regonzailioni which are $400 apart. I got the 2 regonzailioni at 1.4K+ which has single compression damping, rebound damping, torque adjusted preload (Rossi is using this system) & ride height adjustment. The top end Bitubo rear shock which is exactly the same as Ohlins 46PRXLS is worth about $2k. It has dual compression damping (high/low speed comp. Damping), rebound damping, hydraulic adjusted preload & ride height adjustment. But actually the 2 regonzailioni has been very sufficient. Unless you’re going to the super extreme, then consider the top end ones. If you feel that the suspensions are too expensive, you can opt for re-valving your original suspensions. It’s much cheaper. The local Bitubo agent is trained in Italy and he’s able to perform this operation with the proper spec cards.

 

During my track sessions on the bitubo suspension systems, I have only experienced a very minor drift on my rear tyre once in all my 50 laps at the 5th corner uphill. It was due to my poor acceleration control. I have done 50 laps on the bike over 2 consecutive days and my tyres are still working. Good suspensions extends tyre life. And has confirmed that apart from the fantastic extremely fresh RS2*** I was using. The suspension was at work. And I will certainly return to this form of Italian suspensions after changing bike which means I have to re-buy new suspensions.

 

“Wah… your bike has a lot of grip.” My friend who did 1’40” on my bike kept commenting, “I feel like selling my bike already.” I met up with him the next day at west coast Mcdonald’s. He rode his Honda Wave. When I asked him why he didn’t want to ride his GSXR750, he replied quickly, “Don’t want lah! Sick and tired of it after riding your bike.”

 

I feel like doing injustice to my bike especially when I could only do 1’54” compared to his race standard timing on the same machine. I too feel like selling… haha… but the parts are too fantastic for me to part with.

 

The Bitubos…

 

http://www.bitubo.com

 

Please drop by at your nearest dealer Either Unity or motorsales. Or contact Andrew Morrice of Team MEZZO at 68421907 directly for quotations to take back your rights to enjoy fantastic suspension systems.

 

***manufacture date [2804 & 3604] This is moulded on either side of the tyre side wall. The first 2 digits states the number of week of the year. The 3rd and 4th digit states the year the tyre was manufactured. Eg. 5203 = Last week of 2003. This is one of the ways how you gauge the freshness of the tyres apart from correct storage methods.