Kawasaki Ninja

[rvf7972]

nice info. but lenghty :giddy:

[sleepingnemo]

Originally posted by MS@Dec 19 2004, 06:46 PM

Wo wo.. got pple very hot already.

 

Suspensions are very important for track players. Especially many original suspensions start to fad after some laps depending how hard you ride. My G6K1 original shock faded after continuosly less than 15 laps. So apart from tyres brakes and your skills... a good suspension can determine whether you superman in the track or not.

 

When you service your rear shock, how do you do it? You know how many bars to pump in the nitro? How much oil to use for your shock? What grade of oil? These are very critical facts required to do up your rear shock.

 

When rebuilding it, what kind of valves you use? How thick are the shim pads you going to use? Unless you using genuie racetech or bitubo stuffs which already properly engineered for you with the above specs then its a different case. If anyone who deedahahpah say can service your rear shock and re build it without proper manufacturers' specs then you'd better be careful. I'm not saying it totally cannot do it. But there's condition applies.

 

->I did mention something about spec cards right? If you're into suspensions, i'm pretty sure you know whats that.

 

As for Mr David (Teck Thye), I don't go to him anymore because he screwed up damn big on me.

 

->Do hear me out why I say this way. I bought a 46PRCLS in the past. Then within a month some screeching noise appeared. Although the shock was working good when I trashed it on the track, it won't be nice if you keep hearing the 'squeak' whenever it's hot. So I went to Sporting and Ferros gave me crap reasons and refused warranty. Then I went to Teck Thye. After servicing done by him, initially when I rode the bike when the suspension was cold, it felt ok. But when I it got hot, the rebound damping became inconsistant. This is of extreme peril for track playing. Luckily I didn't bring this back to track yet. I immediately emailed to ohlins Sweden and they shot back to Sporting. Joe called me shortly and asked me why didn't i find him instead. He checked my shock and told me that I have inconsistant rebound damping. "How on earth did he find out?! I didn't tell him!" He offered to re service my shock although it was previously serviced by unauthorised personnel.

 

TO My HORROR!!! When Henry stripped my 46PRCLS, there was a broken plastic disc inside the rear shock! One look and you can tell its not supposed to be inside the suspension. Henry threw away that disc and shook his head. "What oil is this?!" Henry asked,"2T ah?!" wah lau...

 

After servicing, my 46PRCLS, the rear shock went back to normal. But the sound is still there. So Joe offered to do a 1 on 1 exchange. Then lady luck smiled at me. Ohlins sent me a 46PRXLS which is a $1.8k. $400 more than my C model. And Joe said "Never mind, just pay the air freight. Forget about the cost difference of the rear shock." The air freight was $80. I paid upfront and took the new shock w/o thinking twice.

 

I have another friend who knows Teck Thye for many years. And the mention of him makes his blood boil. Ah Joe also wanna shake his head when talking about Teck Thye. He has damaged many other pple's rear shock also. He can do the same to me, so I believe I'm not the first or only one. So now you know why I so dulan Teck Thye? Anyhow do one.

 

If you don't believe, I got no choice. Why not pop over to Sporting now in MAh to talk to Joe and say you let Teck thye serviced your ohlins. See whats his reaction.

Its not groundless info as you've mentioned if I dunno my stuffs better dun anyhow write.

 

Haha... Anyway, the aim of this reply is to advertise for some of the products my friend holds agentship to - Bitubo. As under mentioned...

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I'm now trying out the Bitubo on my new bike. I must say fantastic. My skills on the track got problem. So I only managed a 1'54". But I exchanged my bike with that same friend who know teck thye for years, he managed a 1'40" on the same bike and came back full of praise for the suspensions. We tried on the same bike with totally different techniques. and we only have praises on the 04 R1 on Bitubo rear shock and Bitubo front suspension spring & cartridge which I built into the suspension with Andrew M. And a Bitubo steering damper. The bike was fantastic matched with C43 brake pads and HEL brake hose and a pair of RS2 made in July and september 2004... (Though I need more practice). I think anyone who plays track and intend to push hard should try out Bitubo. Its a cheaper alternative yet same degree of performance.

 

I haven't tried trashing on a Penske yet. Heard locally its another up and coming suspension. Anybody really whacked a Penske on the track before?

 

So please don't get angry for some of my words. I don't say things anyhow w/o going through it myself. For parts that I dare to recommend, its as good as putting my reputation on the chopping board. So I won't anyhow recommend any product.

 

Up till now, allow me to do some advertisement for the products I support.

 

MOTUL oils

300V 15w50 - highly recommended for local >400cc bikes.

 

DID

Light and durable. Its also cheaper than many competitors.

 

BITUBO

Read above

 

OHLINS

Do I need to elaborate? Its Ohlins.

 

CARBON LORRAINE

C43, SBK3 -> Great pads

 

AP

Supersport sintered -> Affordable and works as good as SBK3

 

HEL

Affordable and works as good as SWAGE

 

SWAGE PLOT BRAKE SYSTEM

Good performance but costs much more than HEL.

 

PIRELLI

Diablo Corsa, SC2

 

METZELER

RS2

 

Contact Motorworld or Excel cycles (68422360) for the above products. As for Bitubo, contact Unity.

 

Thanks for reading my long reply.

thank for sharing ur experience

btw i have seen Michael from teo spray racing his gsx-r750 using

penske shock. he's doing 1:41 at pg

[sleepingnemo]

HKL rider can do 1:40 at pg with stock fork, stock shock n stock exhuast

on 04 R1

[MS]

Originally posted by sleepingnemo@Dec 21 2004, 01:07 AM

HKL rider can do 1:40 at pg with stock fork, stock shock n stock exhuast

on 04 R1

actually can one. There's something unique about some pple's riding techniques that they perform well with lousy equipments. But if for them to choose, they'd rather have the good stuffs to decrease chances of crashing on the track.

 

So if wanna go hard, advisable to have fantastic brakes suspensions and tyres must be living and working.

 

Otherwise its God's mercy if they stay unscathed at the end of the day.

[Geordie Steve]

Originally posted by MS@Dec 21 2004, 02:09 AM

actually can one. There's something unique about some pple's riding techniques that they perform well with lousy equipments. But if for them to choose, they'd rather have the good stuffs to decrease chances of crashing on the track.

 

So if wanna go hard, advisable to have fantastic brakes suspensions and tyres must be living and working.

 

Otherwise its God's mercy if they stay unscathed at the end of the day.

A stock '04 R1 is "lousy"??? Bloody hell mate, you're gonna get flamed bigtime if any R1 riders read what you wrote!!!

 

Please, please qualify statements like that...its very easy to misinterpret written statements and flame wars start very easily...we had a big war with some 'busas a while ago over a few very innocuous statements and this could certainly lead to another one...

[pasirris]

Originally posted by Geordie Steve@Dec 21 2004, 09:41 AM

A stock '04 R1 is "lousy"??? Bloody hell mate, you're gonna get flamed bigtime if any R1 riders read what you wrote!!!

 

Please, please qualify statements like that...its very easy to misinterpret written statements and flame wars start very easily...we had a big war with some 'busas a while ago over a few very innocuous statements and this could certainly lead to another one...

 

Not to worry, R1 is know to be shroded with weak suspension since 1998, it did improve over ther years, but not much~

[Nok97]

Originally posted by Geordie Steve@Dec 21 2004, 09:41 AM

A stock '04 R1 is "lousy"??? Bloody hell mate, you're gonna get flamed bigtime if any R1 riders read what you wrote!!!

 

Please, please qualify statements like that...its very easy to misinterpret written statements and flame wars start very easily...we had a big war with some 'busas a while ago over a few very innocuous statements and this could certainly lead to another one...

Make Peace! not war!!

[Nok97]

Originally posted by sleepingnemo@Dec 21 2004, 01:07 AM

HKL rider can do 1:40 at pg with stock fork, stock shock n stock exhuast

on 04 R1

is alway the singer.. not the song..

[DeusExMachina]

Originally posted by Geordie Steve@Dec 21 2004, 09:41 AM

A stock '04 R1 is "lousy"??? Bloody hell mate, you're gonna get flamed bigtime if any R1 riders read what you wrote!!!

 

Please, please qualify statements like that...its very easy to misinterpret written statements and flame wars start very easily...we had a big war with some 'busas a while ago over a few very innocuous statements and this could certainly lead to another one...

 

 

Actually, he's got a point.

 

The stock suspension feels good when you first get on an 04 R1... but after riding it for awhile, you begin to realize that it COULD be better... Not saying that it's bad... it's kinda good for stock... but i doubt its durability.

 

Personally, I feel that due to the piggyback configuration of the reservoir... plus its proximity to the Big Daddy of heat, the Catalytic Converter... the shock begins to fade after about a half hour of riding. Starts to get a bit bouncy....

 

A larger remote reservoir should fix that.

[Kman]

The 2005 kawk line up for next yr aside from the sexy 636 take a look at the zzr600

 

http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mckaw/04_05_Line-up/

[RayNg]

The new ZX10 coming!!

 

come stock with akrapovic..

 

currently being tested along with the GP bikes..

[sleepingnemo]

Originally posted by MS@Dec 21 2004, 02:09 AM

actually can one. There's something unique about some pple's riding techniques that they perform well with lousy equipments. But if for them to choose, they'd rather have the good stuffs to decrease chances of crashing on the track.

 

So if wanna go hard, advisable to have fantastic brakes suspensions and tyres must be living and working.

 

Otherwise its God's mercy if they stay unscathed at the end of the day.

ya

[rvf7972]

Originally posted by Kman@Dec 21 2004, 02:49 PM

The 2005 kawk line up for next yr aside from the sexy 636 take a look at the zzr600

 

http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mckaw/04_05_Line-up/

zzr6 looks like total revamp .

 

:sweat:

[joe29]

Originally posted by RayNg@Dec 21 2004, 06:10 PM

The new ZX10 coming!!

 

come stock with akrapovic..

 

currently being tested along with the GP bikes..

This is the fastest bike ever produced......

 

:sian:

 

:faint:

[indra636]

Hi there!

 

Bout the makan outing at Pendas (on top Kelong) near to 2nd link, has anyone heard bout this place?

 

I've been there few times and found that the food there are really nice and you all should give it a try. It's a sea view looking towards Tuas Power Station. A good place for us to hang out on a weekend.

 

I'm kinda suggesting that instead of having the Year End Makan Session on 28th Dec at Bedok 85, why don't we have it at Pendas?

 

Else, I will organize the trip in early Jan next year. But I will be busy outstation to Indonesia by then, so will update you guys closer to the confirmed date.

 

:hungry:

[HAtYAiBUSA]

Originally posted by Nok97@Dec 21 2004, 01:58 PM

Make Peace! not war!!

yah agree agree...

 

 

((( Mr Kumar * RVF ))) nice meeting u...

 

 

 

 

[Nok97]

Originally posted by indra636@Dec 22 2004, 12:57 AM

Hi there!

 

Bout the makan outing at Pendas (on top Kelong) near to 2nd link, has anyone heard bout this place?

 

I've been there few times and found that the food there are really nice and you all should give it a try. It's a sea view looking towards Tuas Power Station. A good place for us to hang out on a weekend.

 

I'm kinda suggesting that instead of having the Year End Makan Session on 28th Dec at Bedok 85, why don't we have it at Pendas?

 

Else, I will organize the trip in early Jan next year. But I will be busy outstation to Indonesia by then, so will update you guys closer to the confirmed date.

 

:hungry:

:thumb:

[Nok97]

Originally posted by HAtYAiBUSA@Dec 22 2004, 01:27 AM

yah agree agree...

 

 

((( Mr Kumar * RVF ))) nice meeting u...

 

 

 

 

nice know u toooo.... HAtYAiBUSA

[rvf7972]

Originally posted by HAtYAiBUSA@Dec 22 2004, 01:27 AM

yah agree agree...

 

 

((( Mr Kumar * RVF ))) nice meeting u...

 

 

 

 

yeah next time don't disappear in singapore roads..

 

[HAtYAiBUSA]

(( rVf ))

disappear?! no la, the cars gave way to me, so manage to get through traffic mah

 

but on 2nd tot, do i qualify for "chief tampines" title?

 

huh, (( nok )) , boleh tak?

[Nok97]

Originally posted by HAtYAiBUSA@Dec 22 2004, 11:14 AM

(( rVf ))

disappear?! no la, the cars gave way to me, so manage to get through traffic mah

 

but on 2nd tot, do i qualify for "chief tampines" title?

 

huh, (( nok )) , boleh tak?

qualify qualify .. Lolz...

so since u here.. i cfm wif u now. go as eddy stated. 2nd week of Jan.

Can??tik by then. all bikes shd be done up ..

CheeR!

[Throttle]

:sleep:

[HAtYAiBUSA]

Originally posted by Nok97@Dec 22 2004, 11:55 AM

qualify qualify .. Lolz...

so since u here.. i cfm wif u now. go as eddy stated. 2nd week of Jan.

Can??tik by then. all bikes shd be done up ..

CheeR!

its a ONz la...

 

heehee...

 

:cheer:

[HAtYAiBUSA]

better make myself disappear again...

lamers r not welcome here i guess...

 

nitez

[MS]

Originally posted by Geordie Steve@Dec 21 2004, 09:41 AM

A stock '04 R1 is "lousy"??? Bloody hell mate, you're gonna get flamed bigtime if any R1 riders read what you wrote!!!

 

Please, please qualify statements like that...its very easy to misinterpret written statements and flame wars start very easily...we had a big war with some 'busas a while ago over a few very innocuous statements and this could certainly lead to another one...

wah lau... you got read properly or not. I'm refering to the riders performing well with lousy equipments. Their skills are the magic. I'm not refering to R1 lousy.

 

BTW, I feel that R1 is fantastic to the track. I've heard about the R1 having lousy original suspensions. I've never played on the track with R1 original suspensions. So I can't comment on that. Just heard that the rear shock fades after 8-9 laps of pushing. Don't know how true. Don't wanna try also.

 

I'm now riding a 04R1 on the track and feel that its good on the Bitubos. I will never comment on things I've never been through it myself. I feel that in order to be a better position to comment, you gotta go through it first. All products I recommended are only those I have tried. If its only through hearsay then I'll emphasise its hearsay.

 

Please R1 riders don't shoot me. Please read carefully.

 

Very scary one. Forums are destroyed by flamers and irresponsible speech everytime.