[cdc] 2b

[No.10]

Try to rev it slightly then tap down from 2nd gear.

[rijac]

i read that the routes or sequence might have changed ah? you all better compare with my guide since it was over a year ago.

[dineze]

Glad youre enjoying your ride! Im aiming for a 2nd hand NSR150 & ride it for 2 yrs + until I get my class 2. Planning on a white one & then do it up to HRC colour scheme ala fireblade.

 

Better to lose points on technique (stall) than clutch in way too early and stop after the line (IF) like someone during my tp. Should not be a problem come test day since you always go for revision.

 

Nsr 150 ah... 2 stroke.. When the valve opens...

[lesterq]

So I just did my first road practical, and it was exhilarating.

 

But in my excitement I totally forgot to do many checks. And the worst thing is there is someone infront of me that was kuku like baluku...

 

Form up 2 ray when it's suppose to be one. Change lane along the breadtalk hq there almost change into an oncoming bus. Oncoming bus overtake us already then don't want to change lane. Alamak scary sia.

 

And give way lane, suay suay one guy behind bang you cause checking if clear to go also IF. And instructor ronnie say one guy ytd just kenna.

[Ricorica]

Hi all, i have taken up my first prac 4 last Saturday expecting to breeze through the plank and have issues on the slalom, and boy was i wrong. Instructor did not teach us any technique, just told us to cross the plank in a span of not less than 6 seconds. Dropped off the plank the first 2 tries right after mounting it. Second try, instructor keep shouting at me, "throttle more! throttle more!". So on my third attempt, after reaching biting point, rev up the throttle like nobody business. Got through the plank but in my heart i knew i did not achieve the timing. So on my forth and final attempt, same technique but i pump the rear breaks midway on the plank and completed it. Stopped at stop line and instructor came over and said "You could cross the plank, but too fast." and i fail the lesson. So now I'm here reading through looking for tips and it seems the rear break technique was working for some of you. Next lesson will try to apply the rear breaks earlier and see if it works. Cheers

[rijac]

Hi all, i have taken up my first prac 4 last Saturday expecting to breeze through the plank and have issues on the slalom, and boy was i wrong. Instructor did not teach us any technique, just told us to cross the plank in a span of not less than 6 seconds. Dropped off the plank the first 2 tries right after mounting it. Second try, instructor keep shouting at me, "throttle more! throttle more!". So on my third attempt, after reaching biting point, rev up the throttle like nobody business. Got through the plank but in my heart i knew i did not achieve the timing. So on my forth and final attempt, same technique but i pump the rear breaks midway on the plank and completed it. Stopped at stop line and instructor came over and said "You could cross the plank, but too fast." and i fail the lesson. So now I'm here reading through looking for tips and it seems the rear break technique was working for some of you. Next lesson will try to apply the rear breaks earlier and see if it works. Cheers

 

you got it. but don't pump the brake. keep pressure on the rear brake pedal throughout the plank while maintaining a steady throttle. brake for the timing, throttle to stay upright

[BabyBlade]

Registered a new account today and unable to post new thread at the used bike garage. Anyone have any idea how many posts we need to clock to be able to start a new thread?

[hannnnnnny]

Instructor did not teach us any technique, just told us to cross the plank in a span of not less than 6 seconds.

 

As paying customers, I think you should really ask the instructors for clarifications on the spot for various techniques.etc. if he refuses (I don't see why he won't) just feedback to management that you are not able to meet the objectives because of their failing. After all, the best way to learn is on the spot.

[Ricorica]

Thanks Bro Rijac, will give it a try during round 2 this Sunday.

 

As paying customers, I think you should really ask the instructors for clarifications on the spot for various techniques.etc. if he refuses (I don't see why he won't) just feedback to management that you are not able to meet the objectives because of their failing. After all, the best way to learn is on the spot.

 

Yes, you are right, he did guide us for the E-break we practiced before the plank though. Partially my fault also, i was overconfident before starting the plank, thinking it was cheesecake as i could follow behind slow learning cars with no problem, therefore i did not bother to ask for any tips, till i started to mount the plank.... Total mind****. I think the difference is that when i am following behind slow vehicles, my momentum is already there, whereas for the plank, its from stationary and the distance is too short to gain the required momentum, plus the jerk from mounting the plank, therefore need to throttle more.

 

Cheers

[rijac]

Thanks Bro Rijac, will give it a try during round 2 this Sunday.

 

 

 

Yes, you are right, he did guide us for the E-break we practiced before the plank though. Partially my fault also, i was overconfident before starting the plank, thinking it was cheesecake as i could follow behind slow learning cars with no problem, therefore i did not bother to ask for any tips, till i started to mount the plank.... Total mind****. I think the difference is that when i am following behind slow vehicles, my momentum is already there, whereas for the plank, its from stationary and the distance is too short to gain the required momentum, plus the jerk from mounting the plank, therefore need to throttle more.

 

Cheers

 

if anyone can just do the plank from the beginning they won't need to test it right? but seriously, this is more of a psychological tihng.

[Ricorica]

In fact, not only the plank, every lesson since my first practical had been a mind blowing experience compared to when i was taking my class 3. My usual mindset tend to be finishing each lesson expecting to repeat them, but when i do pass, the sense of fulfillment is just so great. Now my only regret is not taking up the course when i was a little younger.

 

Cheers

[simeone82]

Partially my fault also, i was overconfident before starting the plank, thinking it was cheesecake as i could follow behind slow learning cars with no problem,

 

Cheers

 

Hello Ricorica, yah have to agree the "overconfident" can really make us fail!

at my lesson 1 where we do the 8 fig in the bike nursery area, same thing I thought should be easy and then

I wide turn and then stall up the bike...

[Ricorica]

Haha, yes, now we all know riding is not easy. People use to tell me things like, riding is very easy or riding is like cycling or if you can cycle, riding is not problem for you. Now i know they are all bull****ing me.

 

Cheers

[jbdoggy]

Should not be a problem come test day since you always go for revision.

Well I hope youre right. Number of revisions is no indicator of test success. One of my practice buddies came religiously twice a week for practice since L5 but still failed his test last Wed.

 

Nsr 150 ah... 2 stroke.. When the valve opens...

Exactly! lol

[jbdoggy]

....expecting to breeze through the plank and have issues on the slalom, and boy was i wrong.

 

LOL! Reading thro your plank woes sharing....its so much like looking at my own reflection!. Ya as @rijac says, its all psychological. Treat the plank like an illusion. Whether its there or not, doesnt change the straight line youre supposed to ride on. So just focus more on that line.

 

Riding with constant rear brake works well on bikes with old/worn out rear brakes. With newer grippier rear brakes you will have to do intermittant braking => press rear brake a little while, release a little while, press rear brake little awhile again etc.

 

I personally make a normal start & then close throttle when the front tyre reaches the top of the plank & let the clutch at biting point pull me along + rear brake play.

 

All the best mate!

[chriszzz]

I have car and bike licence, and I got my car licence for many years before trying bike. Bike is harder to learn. Everything you do, every shift of body weight, even turning of your head, can affect your bike riding, esp for a newbie. As you get more experienced, this will not be a problem, but for learners, this makes learning a bike much harder than car.

 

Every obstacle course has techniques to overcome it. For plank, it is important to ensure the bike is facing the plank straight on. The distance to the plank is short so it is important that you use that short distance to regain stability and achieve a proper speed. You have no time to try to re-align the bike if your bike is slanted.

 

When you start, throttle a bit more and move at a slightly higher speed and keep your eye on the start of the plank so that you mount it at the exact center. Once the front wheel is up the plank, look forward at the slalom cones, and grip the tank with your thighs. This is very important as it helps you to keep the bike moving straight. Once up the plank, I reduce throttle by a bit.

 

You can control the speed on the plank with the clutch, the throttle, or the rear brake(or a combination). Choose whichever is more comfortable for you. I use the rear brake and keep the other 2 constant. If you vary the clutch or throttle and you mess up, the bike will stall. I keep a light constant pressure on the rear brake so that the speed is smooth and constant. You can practice by riding on the lines in the nursery area until you have a good feel of slow riding in a straight line.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In fact, not only the plank, every lesson since my first practical had been a mind blowing experience compared to when i was taking my class 3. My usual mindset tend to be finishing each lesson expecting to repeat them, but when i do pass, the sense of fulfillment is just so great. Now my only regret is not taking up the course when i was a little younger.

 

Cheers

[chriszzz]

That is for those who failed their test. Need to attend 1 session before allowed to book for 2nd test attempt. Looks like a road rev session to me.

 

Re-training is EXACTLY the same as road revision, BUT IT IS MANDATORY for those who flunked TP. You must book 1 re-training if retaking TP, although you don't have to attend it. You won't be allowed to retake the TP test if you don't book a retraining session.

[chriszzz]

Riding is easy. Riding to the rigorous (some would say anal) standards set by our riding schools and TP, however, is damn hard.

 

All those rules on check back left or right (but not both) and stopping in 2 rows or 1 row are quite hard to remember at the beginning, and frankly, who the hell stops in 2 neat rows in real life?

 

The silly thing is, such rules differ between CDC and SSDC. And I though safety rules should be standard across the whole country.

 

 

Haha, yes, now we all know riding is not easy. People use to tell me things like, riding is very easy or riding is like cycling or if you can cycle, riding is not problem for you. Now i know they are all bull****ing me.

 

Cheers

[dineze]

I find squeezing through cars to the front is safer. Can start off the line first and leave the heavy traffic behind plus there's less chance of being rear ended.

 

A 2b motorbike is like a heavier bicycle with more power

[hushpuppy]

any idea how many lessons do we need to clear practical lesson 2?

[rijac]

any idea how many lessons do we need to clear practical lesson 2?

I cleared it in 1. Some ppl cleared it in 4. There is no answer to the question

[Ricorica]

The silly thing is, such rules differ between CDC and SSDC. And I though safety rules should be standard across the whole country.

 

Really? The rules are different across each driving centers? Like what are the differences?

[Ricorica]

if anyone can just do the plank from the beginning they won't need to test it right? but seriously, this is more of a psychological thing.

 

Actually after attending last week's lesson, I'm beginning to understand and know what I'm doing wrong a little more. The instructor this week was very patient in explaining each of our errors. Don't know if he is new, i have never seen him before. Previously my body was too stiff as a result of sitting to far from the handle bars, my elbows don't actually have enough allowance to steer on the plank and was using body weight to try to guide the bike. But still have to practice more in two weeks time. No lessons this week.

[chriszzz]

Differences between SSDC and CDC in terms of safety check and other techniques:

 

1. Forming up rows (technically, they are columns rather than rows)

 

SSDC:

When stopping at a junction or behind a car, pedestrian crossing, etc, the bikes ALWAYS form up in 1 row unless at a junction with single arrow, in which case, you form up in 2 rows. Easy to remember.

 

CDC:

Form up in 2 rows when:

a. stopping behind a car, yellow box, etc, and you are going straight after.

b. stopping at a junction with single arrow.

Form up in 1 row when:

a. Stopping at junction with more than 1 arrow

b. Stopping on slip roads (during road circuit).

 

2. Checkbacks

SSDC : when forming in 2 rows, always checkback INWARDS, unless turning right, in which case, both rows check back right

CDC: when forming 2 rows, always back right unless there is a kerb on your right, in which case check back left.

 

3. Blindspots when moving off and turning left (for first bike stopped at junction).

SSDC: When moving off to turn left: checkback, move off first and then check left blindspot before you make the turn. The distance you have in which to make the blindspot check is very short, about 0.5m. So always ensure you stop a generous distance from the actual junction line to give yourself more room.

CDC: When moving off to turn left: checkback right, check blindspot left, and move off. The key difference is that CDC allows you to check left blindspot BEFORE moving off, which makes the turn alot easier.

 

4. Check back on Slope

SSDC: If you are the rider on the right, signal right but check left. Instructor said this is to make things easier, but I found it less logical and more confusing.

CDC: If you are the rider on the right, signal left and check left. This is more logical.

 

5. E-brake checkbacks.

SSDC: After stopping, change to gear 1, signal right, checkback right, move off.

CDC: After stopping, check back right, put right foot down, check back left, change to gear 1, signal right, checkback right, move off.

 

 

 

Really? The rules are different across each driving centers? Like what are the differences?

[Ricorica]

Differences between SSDC and CDC in terms of safety check and other techniques:

 

1. Forming up rows (technically, they are columns rather than rows)

 

SSDC:

When stopping at a junction or behind a car, pedestrian crossing, etc, the bikes ALWAYS form up in 1 row unless at a junction with single arrow, in which case, you form up in 2 rows. Easy to remember.

 

CDC:

Form up in 2 rows when:

a. stopping behind a car, yellow box, etc, and you are going straight after.

b. stopping at a junction with single arrow.

Form up in 1 row when:

a. Stopping at junction with more than 1 arrow

b. Stopping on slip roads (during road circuit).

 

2. Checkbacks

SSDC : when forming in 2 rows, always checkback INWARDS, unless turning right, in which case, both rows check back right

CDC: when forming 2 rows, always back right unless there is a kerb on your right, in which case check back left.

 

3. Blindspots when moving off and turning left (for first bike stopped at junction).

SSDC: When moving off to turn left: checkback, move off first and then check left blindspot before you make the turn. The distance you have in which to make the blindspot check is very short, about 0.5m. So always ensure you stop a generous distance from the actual junction line to give yourself more room.

CDC: When moving off to turn left: checkback right, check blindspot left, and move off. The key difference is that CDC allows you to check left blindspot BEFORE moving off, which makes the turn alot easier.

 

4. Check back on Slope

SSDC: If you are the rider on the right, signal right but check left. Instructor said this is to make things easier, but I found it less logical and more confusing.

CDC: If you are the rider on the right, signal left and check left. This is more logical.

 

5. E-brake checkbacks.

SSDC: After stopping, change to gear 1, signal right, checkback right, move off.

CDC: After stopping, check back right, put right foot down, check back left, change to gear 1, signal right, checkback right, move off.

 

Thanks for the detailed explanation Chris. So that is to say TP test in each school follow different rules as well? Sometimes during lessons, safety checking during the first half of it is still ok, but towards the end, i might mix up some of the checks due to fatigue. Still gotta practice more so that it becomes second nature.