[cdc] 2b

[hushpuppy]

I cleared it in 1. Some ppl cleared it in 4. There is no answer to the question

 

Thanks bro

[simeone82]

Thank you rijac for the detailed posting about the lessons, it get me prepared up for lesson 2.

And I am surprised to clear it 1st time.

I chose a "lousy" bike where the clutch is super far away biting point.

I was throttling and releasing the clutch but can't move and I thought I was in neutral... Kick up and this time round always neutral...

Ask instructor during mid lesson can change bike, he said can't and said during TP is also like that so I suck up to it.

Going for lesson 2 again as less than 48 hours to cancel.

[rijac]

Thank you rijac for the detailed posting about the lessons, it get me prepared up for lesson 2.

And I am surprised to clear it 1st time.

I chose a "lousy" bike where the clutch is super far away biting point.

I was throttling and releasing the clutch but can't move and I thought I was in neutral... Kick up and this time round always neutral...

Ask instructor during mid lesson can change bike, he said can't and said during TP is also like that so I suck up to it.

Going for lesson 2 again as less than 48 hours to cancel.

Good idea. Get as much time on the bike as possible. Remember everything because you will need it for the rest of your time at cdc

[rijac]

Thanks for the detailed explanation Chris. So that is to say TP test in each school follow different rules as well? Sometimes during lessons, safety checking during the first half of it is still ok, but towards the end, i might mix up some of the checks due to fatigue. Still gotta practice more so that it becomes second nature.

Guys don't get confused between rules and procedure. It is not a rule to check back right when you have your license. It is a procedure. If you value your life you better make it a habit. It will save your life one day. They penalise you for it because they want to ensure you are a safe rider.

[dineze]

Check back right to move out makes sense, but check back right to move forward? What about checking left blindspot at filter lane when you are on the move and already slightly on the left?

 

As for the guide posted earlier, don't memorise everything step by step. Listen to the instructor's briefing and ask questions. Some things like right turning use which lane(road pracs), blindspot checks, etc may have changed over time.

[chriszzz]

I think one should always ride safely, and this goes beyond the basic checkbacks. Checkbacks are of limited use. What's even more important is safety when the bike is in motion.

 

I see many bikers weaving in and out of traffic, overtaking cars on the same side that the cars have signaled they are turning or changing lane into, lane-splitting at high speed, riding while wearing shorts, singlets and slippers, etc. All these are dangerous. Ride safe everyone.

 

Also, while I agree that the traffic school tries to drill safety checks into you, they also penalize you when you do extra checks. I find this counter-productive. I think extra checks should not be penalized.

 

I have a class 2B and class 3 licence and have been driving for many years. If I think that I should check back right and/or left for various reasons (eg, being surrounded by newbies is a good reason, and some of them are driving trucks), it is my judgement as a qualified rider/driver. I don't think the school should penalize me (2 points) for being safety conscious.

 

Actually, the different practice between SSDC and CDC shows that there is no right or wrong way to checkback (checking right vs left), and they should accept either. Unfortunately, they don't.

 

Guys don't get confused between rules and procedure. It is not a rule to check back right when you have your license. It is a procedure. If you value your life you better make it a habit. It will save your life one day. They penalise you for it because they want to ensure you are a safe rider.

Edited March 31, 2015 by chriszzz

[chriszzz]

Yes, you need more practice.

 

Common mistakes include forgetting to check blindspots ( 4 points each time), fail to signal or cancel signal ( 4 points), wobbling while turning ( 4 points ), wobbling when moving off and stopping (2 points, but up to 3 times, for a total of 6 points), etc. The points add up very quickly. So practice until you can remember at which point of the circuit you need to do what.

 

Other problems like failure to give way (immediate failure) are dynamic and depends on the traffic on the day of the test and depends on your luck on that day, although more practice will also teach you how to react to them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the detailed explanation Chris. So that is to say TP test in each school follow different rules as well? Sometimes during lessons, safety checking during the first half of it is still ok, but towards the end, i might mix up some of the checks due to fatigue. Still gotta practice more so that it becomes second nature.

[dineze]

I got points for improper checking(), which is less pts than not checking at all. Wobble while turning I guess is check blindspot too late which will then affect turning. The big points are not meeting required timing, lane change dangerously, etc. Everything adds up.

 

Spend money on revisions and ask questions.

[rijac]

It's very easy to lose points even before you leave the circuit. Figure 8 for example. If you didn't check back didn't signal didn't check blindspot when enter and then didn't signal when leaving then wide turn at exit and wobble when stop already 16 points

[simeone82]

Hello fellow riders....

Today just had a quarrel with the instructor at CDC... Kelvin Yip...

Talking super sarcastic + yaya and challenged me to make a complaint to CDC office which I did.

Really regret going for today lesson, under that fellow I think the whole class fails. (Again is really $%$# a test for a test lesson)

Yes I admit learners and even me have mistakes ( But we are learner) The other malay instructor is much more patient to teach us..

[lesterq]

Again penalised for filters out when there is car on second lane.. And not utilising my gears... On second gear most off the time.

[simeone82]

Again penalised for filters out when there is car on second lane.. And not utilising my gears... On second gear most off the time.

 

What to do, school and tp safe regulations must follow. I most of the time also 2nd gear sian. If I can reach 2b tp I pray won't get lousy bike. Pray dun have too much cars in circuit...

[chriszzz]

I think it is not productive to get angry and quarrel with instructors. You need their help, and, no matter how ya ya they are, you gain nothing by quarreling. In fact, if he conducts future lessons or road revisions for you, the feeling will feel awkward.

 

Just suck it in, and tell yourself that you won't have to see them again after you pass. Even if you come back for class 2A or 2, there's a good chance he won't be there, or you can just go SSDC instead.

 

 

Hello fellow riders....

Today just had a quarrel with the instructor at CDC... Kelvin Yip...

Talking super sarcastic + yaya and challenged me to make a complaint to CDC office which I did.

Really regret going for today lesson, under that fellow I think the whole class fails. (Again is really $%$# a test for a test lesson)

Yes I admit learners and even me have mistakes ( But we are learner) The other malay instructor is much more patient to teach us..

[chriszzz]

While riding around the circuit, you should mostly be on 3rd gear. Use 2nd gear for cornering, and going up the slight slope at the CDC entrance when returning from road revision. When moving off, don't stay too long in gear 1. You will kenna penalized.

 

Again penalised for filters out when there is car on second lane.. And not utilising my gears... On second gear most off the time.

[chriszzz]

Figure 8 is easy to avoid penalty, so don't waste your points here.

 

The trick to fig 8 is to have a set of SOP in your mind (ie, at which point of the circuit you need to do what), and always look ahead of where you are going. Some people look 90 degrees ahead, but I find 45 degrees easier. Don't look at the kerb directly in front of you.

 

Remember to check both left and right before riding into the circuit. When moving off from the waiting line, accelerate fast. If too slow, your gear 2 will fail to engage and you will be stuck in neutral.

 

As soon as your bike crosses the entrance line, kill the signal and change to 2nd gear immediately after. Keep a constant throttle and use your rear brake to control the speed. When you are 75% of the way through (at the "bottom" of the figure 8, the part nearest to the crank course), turn on signal.

 

About 0.5 meters from the exit, release the throttle and step on the rear brake harder as you "shift" the bike towards the exit. This will slow you down enough to avoid a wide turn as you exit.

 

Practice figure 8 alot to keep your timing low. Sometimes, the bloody bike will fail to engage gear 2, and you find yourself stuck in neutral. You have to take corrective action and will lose about 0.5-1 second. If you are fast, you can still make 11 seconds even with the loss of that timing. This has happened to me several times, esp when they were still using the old bikes before the current batch. The 2B bikes in CDC are now about 1.5 years old, so they will already be getting cranky. So keep practising till you can clear it well under 11 secs.

 

 

It's very easy to lose points even before you leave the circuit. Figure 8 for example. If you didn't check back didn't signal didn't check blindspot when enter and then didn't signal when leaving then wide turn at exit and wobble when stop already 16 points

[chriszzz]

When turning, don't go fast. Drop to gear 2 and use your brake to slow down BEFORE the turn.

 

Can use your half-clutch if you have to, to maintain a slow steady speed during the turn. In the turn, DO NOT step on the brake. There's a strong tendency (at least for me) to use the rear brake to slow down DURING the turn. Don't! It's 2 points penalty. The only place where you can use the rear brake in a turn is when you are exiting figure 8.

 

For many parts of CDC circuit, there are arrows painted on the ground just before a corner or turn. Check your blindspot as the bike passes over the arrow! That was what I was taught, as the distance of the arrow from the corner is the perfect distance for checking blindspot.

 

 

I got points for improper checking(), which is less pts than not checking at all. Wobble while turning I guess is check blindspot too late which will then affect turning. The big points are not meeting required timing, lane change dangerously, etc. Everything adds up.

 

Spend money on revisions and ask questions.

[simeone82]

I think it is not productive to get angry and quarrel with instructors. You need their help, and, no matter how ya ya they are, you gain nothing by quarreling. In fact, if he conducts future lessons or road revisions for you, the feeling will feel awkward.

 

Just suck it in, and tell yourself that you won't have to see them again after you pass. Even if you come back for class 2A or 2, there's a good chance he won't be there, or you can just go SSDC instead.

 

Hi chriszzz, actually I did my best to suck it in already. Then until the number tag to collect incident at the counter, he made a mistake and still blame me. I attended a lesson 2 the day before and then lesson 2 yesterday it was so much different. The day before instructors are patient with learners and boy I passed it first time. Yesterday this particular was scolding the whole group and only the Malay instructor direct us back the nursery and to correct our mistakes. There is a difference between strict and arrogant. Yesterday was plain arrogant and sarcastic. Yes depending on their investigation, I dun mind drive to ssdc to restart my leaner 2b

[dineze]

If I'm reading this right, you went for lesson 2 twice even though you pass already? Arguing with instructor does not really help but then again when I was taking 2b he rarely took my lessons.

 

Good luck for your future pracs. Ask other instructors for help, there's always 2 instructors always around at least.

[simeone82]

If I'm reading this right, you went for lesson 2 twice even though you pass already? Arguing with instructor does not really help but then again when I was taking 2b he rarely took my lessons.

 

Good luck for your future pracs. Ask other instructors for help, there's always 2 instructors always around at least.

 

Yes. Paid and can't cancel so might as well go and treat it as practice. The whole lesson yesterday is so right tensed and not enjoyable.

I come to the point where I hope the lesson can just end fast. Traffic yesterday was so much packed with cars. My arguing is not during lesson but after lessons where he issued the booklet back incident above post. Even my mistake made in lesson was like made to me sarcastically and rude. Then to make thing worse the bike I chose worst then the day before, even after half clutch to move off with throttle (Yes I did not release the clutch suddenly or what), the bike will have a sudden surge to front. Oh well fine I remembered the number and will not choose that.

[rijac]

Hi chriszzz, actually I did my best to suck it in already. Then until the number tag to collect incident at the counter, he made a mistake and still blame me. I attended a lesson 2 the day before and then lesson 2 yesterday it was so much different. The day before instructors are patient with learners and boy I passed it first time. Yesterday this particular was scolding the whole group and only the Malay instructor direct us back the nursery and to correct our mistakes. There is a difference between strict and arrogant. Yesterday was plain arrogant and sarcastic. Yes depending on their investigation, I dun mind drive to ssdc to restart my leaner 2b

 

he is a bit sarcastic. but its a put on. ignore it and carry on.

[chriszzz]

Generally, I found the SSDC instructors more helpful and also more articulate and proficient in English.

 

Not that I'm suggesting that you switch to SSDC, but just in case you want to, you should do it as early as possible.

 

 

Hi chriszzz, actually I did my best to suck it in already. Then until the number tag to collect incident at the counter, he made a mistake and still blame me. I attended a lesson 2 the day before and then lesson 2 yesterday it was so much different. The day before instructors are patient with learners and boy I passed it first time. Yesterday this particular was scolding the whole group and only the Malay instructor direct us back the nursery and to correct our mistakes. There is a difference between strict and arrogant. Yesterday was plain arrogant and sarcastic. Yes depending on their investigation, I dun mind drive to ssdc to restart my leaner 2b

[simeone82]

Generally, I found the SSDC instructors more helpful and also more articulate and proficient in English.

 

Not that I'm suggesting that you switch to SSDC, but just in case you want to, you should do it as early as possible.

 

Actually I did thinking of switching to ssdc. Had made some phone call enquires and I found they are generally more courteous and helpful than cdc. Monday, cdc will actually reply me their investigation on my complaint and feedback and I have one lesson booked for figure 8 and slope. Depends on their outcome which I think most likely they will side their instructor then I will just enroll ssdc next week.

 

Forgot to mention the circuit training that day was full of learner cars.... The whole right lane was filled with learner cars.. Just to wait for a right turn I think the whole group of us waited about 3 to 5 mins for all lanes to clear....those nice and good instructor will help us open road, but not that dreaded day. And only car instructor give way and ask us to go then figure 8 I saw like 6 to 8 queuing up

[tsleo85]

Actually I did thinking of switching to ssdc. Had made some phone call enquires and I found they are generally more courteous and helpful than cdc. Monday, cdc will actually reply me their investigation on my complaint and feedback and I have one lesson booked for figure 8 and slope. Depends on their outcome which I think most likely they will side their instructor then I will just enroll ssdc next week.

 

Forgot to mention the circuit training that day was full of learner cars.... The whole right lane was filled with learner cars.. Just to wait for a right turn I think the whole group of us waited about 3 to 5 mins for all lanes to clear....those nice and good instructor will help us open road, but not that dreaded day. And only car instructor give way and ask us to go then figure 8 I saw like 6 to 8 queuing up

 

Am a learner at SSDC so naturally am abit biased towards them. I find SSDC instructors really very helpful. A joy to learn with them. But level 1 circuit is typically as crowded. But if you are still going through the lessons, then they will probably bring you to the level 3 or 5 circuit which is less crowded and you will get to practice more.

[chriszzz]

Level 1 is quite crowded, but is not as bad as CDC's circuit. SSDC has fewer students and 3 circuits. Mathematically, it is impossible for SSDC to be as crowded as CDC's single circuit.

 

CDC has too many students. Almost every slot is also available for circuit revision as well, unlike SSDC which staggers their circuit revision slots. Eg, in the evening, CDC offers both 6:50 AND 8:40pm slots for circuit revision, whereas SSDC offers either the 6:10pm OR 8:20pm slot. So for CDC, the circuit is always full of bikes taking lessons AND bikes doing revision, plus a lot of cars.

 

There were many times when I was in CDC, I would be stuck in a traffic jam, esp at the first stop junction immediately outside the nursery where you have the double whammy of traffic from left/ride and traffic returning from road revision. In SSDC, traffic returning from road revision has to give way to riders in the circuit.

 

I went for a circuit revision at SSDC 2 days ago, and I counted 7 cars and a few lorries (didn't count the lorries) in the L1 circuit. Pretty sure CDC has way more vehicles than that.

 

Finally, one point which I appreciate in SSDC is the sheltered circuit. It's warmer at night then CDC's open carpark, but you are sheltered from the sun in the day. Most importantly, you are sheltered from the rain. Doing circuit obstacles in the rain is no fun, and for some circuits like figure 8, it can be slippery and you risk a fall. Reduced visibility from the rain and rain-streaked visor adds to the challenge. If it rains during TP test, good luck to the riders.

 

 

 

Am a learner at SSDC so naturally am abit biased towards them. I find SSDC instructors really very helpful. A joy to learn with them. But level 1 circuit is typically as crowded. But if you are still going through the lessons, then they will probably bring you to the level 3 or 5 circuit which is less crowded and you will get to practice more.

[Genius]

Actually I did thinking of switching to ssdc. Had made some phone call enquires and I found they are generally more courteous and helpful than cdc. Monday, cdc will actually reply me their investigation on my complaint and feedback and I have one lesson booked for figure 8 and slope. Depends on their outcome which I think most likely they will side their instructor then I will just enroll ssdc next week.

 

Forgot to mention the circuit training that day was full of learner cars.... The whole right lane was filled with learner cars.. Just to wait for a right turn I think the whole group of us waited about 3 to 5 mins for all lanes to clear....those nice and good instructor will help us open road, but not that dreaded day. And only car instructor give way and ask us to go then figure 8 I saw like 6 to 8 queuing up

 

If you really want to change, go for it. No point learning in a centre that you are unhappy with.