[cdc] 2b

[ttkoh123]

Yes it is not acceptable! How can there be only 15 out of 50 passes!?!?!?! How absurd!

 

Wonder what were the testees doing? Probably blaming the heaven and the earth as well instead of focusing their time and mentality on doing the test right.

 

Tp slots already so limited. This is tantamount to wasting precious slots which could have been given to testees with the right mentality towards riding, attitude towards learning and those who devote their time to revisions instead of grumblimg and blaming everything and everyone.

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Man, Got a 2A license you are really one of the biggest HOW LIAN I have ever encountered. Regardless you are senior or not, you have proven to be unworthy to be respected. I think if we take your license away, you are probably a "Nobody" in the society, otherwise where got so much energy to keep on stirring and contorting the situation!. Aunty, I eat full full not free to entertain you.... hahhaahhahahahah

Edited August 26, 2015 by ttkoh123

[ttkoh123]

TP testing is all about three factors: Luck, skill and the machine. If you've got more of one factor, you can compensate for the deficiencies in the others. Since you can't be absolutely certain that you'll get a good machine, or that you'll be blessed with favourable traffic or weather conditions, you should be doing the one thing you CAN do - hone your skills in order to reduce the unsystematic and uncontrollable risks posed by the other two. By going for more lessons and becoming a competent rider, you can ultimately become a competent rider with the skill needed to compensate for the worst luck, the worst conditions and the most nitpicky testers. You shouldn't be banking on getting a good machine in the hope that it will help you pass. If you do, each TP you go for will be a nerve-wracking gamble.

 

I told @darkredmica many years ago when she was a class 2B student not to go for the good bikes, and not to go only during good weather. I told her to select the crappiest possible bikes with ridiculously far biting points and suspicious alignment, and to go for practice in the thick of the rainy season. If you can thrive even in the worst conditions, you know you'll be one of the 15 out of 50 to attain that elusive pass. Now you can throw her out in a typhoon and give her the crappiest 2B bike, and she'll still be able to pass each station with one eye closed. That's the sort of competence you should aim for - to be able to take any rickety old bike out onto the circuit in a downpour and show a miserly, bitter group of old men that you deserve your license.

 

And the harshness of the TP test is well-justified. When riders finally get their 2B license, they often go for 10-year-old machines such as Vespas, SPs, KRRs and Kups. They take those unfamiliar, rickety machines out on the road, riding on slippery treacherous roads for half the year. When the strong crosswinds hit the island in the early part of the year, they rely only on their skills and instincts to keep them safe on their swaying 110kg 2B bikes. The raw dangers of riding make it imperative that only riders who have demonstrated the ability to overcome adverse conditions are given that elusive license. If you can't pass on any bike the school throws at you, or if a nitpicky TP decides that you don't deserve to pass, you probably don't.

 

So stop feeling bitter, take up your EZLink card for the commute to riding school and persevere on until you pass. Cheers and good luck!

 

Thanks, well written, I absorbed your points, but one thing to qualify.... I am not one of the 50. I haven't even take my TP.......

Edited August 26, 2015 by ttkoh123

[darkredmica]

Man, Got a 2A license you are really one of the biggest HOW LIAN I have ever encountered. Regardless you are senior or not, you have proven to be unworthy to be respected. I think if we take your license away, you are probably a "Nobody" in the society, otherwise where got so much energy to keep on stirring and contorting the situation!. Aunty, I eat full full not free to entertain you....

Having a license equals hao lian? Thank God I do not think the same shallow way as you do.

 

There is no stirring. It is free for all to see here and I am sure those who have eyes will be able to see and judge.

 

It is exactly because I am nobody hence the only thing I can do like most of us here, practice practice and practice.

 

Good luck in your TP. May the odds be forever in your favor!

 

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[karedi]

Thanks, well written, I absorbed your points, but one thing to qualify.... I am not one of the 50. I haven't even take my TP.......

 

So much negativity even before TP, then how are you gonna pass? Instead of focusing on the number of failures and the bikes which are not good, why not focus on improving yourself? I don't see any arrogance in anything that has been said by any of the seniors. They have been giving tips. And if you could not improve your skills even after reading through them, you really gotta think carefully if you really belong out on the road with a bike.

 

The way you are responding shows a lot of bitterness. Why?

 

 

Ride on

[karedi]

Having a license equals hao lian? Thank God I do not think the same shallow way as you do.

 

There is no stirring. It is free for all to see here and I am sure those who have eyes will be able to see and judge.

 

It is exactly because I am nobody hence the only thing I can do like most of us here, practice practice and practice.

 

Good luck in your TP. May the odds be forever in your favor!

 

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Ride on

[jbdoggy]

Some people really can blame the heaven and earth for everything gone wrong (and right).

 

It's never their fault.

 

It's the bike, the instructors, the testers, the weather and everything but him or herself.

 

Sad fact of fallen human nature. Adam blamed Eve & God. Eve blamed the serpant, Cain wouldnt admit guilt & wallowed in self pity etc etc. No wonder pride is top of the list of the 7 deadly sins!

 

Yes it is not acceptable! How can there be only 15 out of 50 passes!?!?!?! How absurd!

 

Wonder what were the testees doing? Probably blaming the heaven and the earth as well instead of focusing their time and mentality on doing the test right.

 

Tp slots already so limited. This is tantamount to wasting precious slots which could have been given to testees with the right mentality towards riding, attitude towards learning and those who devote their time to revisions instead of grumblimg and blaming everything and everyone.

 

Precisely. 1 like for you!

 

The batch 2 weeks before mine, I heard was also 15/45 or so. Abt a week before my test, the batch of 6 doing 2a all failed.

[jbdoggy]

So much negativity even before TP, then how are you gonna pass? Instead of focusing on the number of failures and the bikes which are not good, why not focus on improving yourself? I don't see any arrogance in anything that has been said by any of the seniors. They have been giving tips. And if you could not improve your skills even after reading through them, you really gotta think carefully if you really belong out on the road with a bike.

 

The way you are responding shows a lot of bitterness. Why?

 

 

Ride on

 

Good one, esp the bolded. I admit i felt nervous after hearing abt 15/45 passing 2b 2 weeks before my test & the all failed 2a a week before my test. It gave the impression that testers were super strict or something. Best advice I received was not to dwell on the stats but fully focus on my test only. Thankfully, I passed!

[ttkoh123]

So much negativity even before TP, then how are you gonna pass? Instead of focusing on the number of failures and the bikes which are not good, why not focus on improving yourself? I don't see any arrogance in anything that has been said by any of the seniors. They have been giving tips. And if you could not improve your skills even after reading through them, you really gotta think carefully if you really belong out on the road with a bike.

 

The way you are responding shows a lot of bitterness. Why?

 

 

Ride on

 

The problems are the "INSTANT Self Proclaimed GURUs" here in this forum, especially 'SA KAR" like you trying to act too clever. Hahahhaahh. I was not asking for TIPs, so don't try, cause I don't appreciate. Please stop prying on innocent bike learners to relive your long gone old bike glories here, no one appreciate from people like you. Having a bike license doesn't turns you into a "INSTANT GURU" here. Go Get a Life or had the society rejected you already?

Edited August 26, 2015 by ttkoh123

[dineze]

:popcorn:

 

bad bikes actually got its silver lining. After passing, you know what to look out for when doing a test ride.

[karedi]

The problems are the "INSTANT Self Proclaimed GURUs" here in this forum, especially 'SA KAR" like you trying to act too clever. Hahahhaahh. I was not asking for TIPs, so don't try, cause I don't appreciate. Please stop prying on innocent bike learners to relive your long gone old bike glories here, no one appreciate from people like you. Having a bike license doesn't turns you into a "INSTANT GURU" here. Go Get a Life or had the society rejected you already?

 

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I hope after you pass TP I don't see you on the road.

 

 

Ride on

[lovewei]

The problems are the "INSTANT Self Proclaimed GURUs" here in this forum, especially 'SA KAR" like you trying to act too clever. Hahahhaahh. I was not asking for TIPs, so don't try, cause I don't appreciate. Please stop prying on innocent bike learners to relive your long gone old bike glories here, no one appreciate from people like you. Having a bike license doesn't turns you into a "INSTANT GURU" here. Go Get a Life or had the society rejected you already?

 

 

Well, I've got a license and you don't. So tap your EZ-Link and enjoy the lesson.

 

GLHF

[simeone82]

Relax and Peace pls.. Sometimes I think the forum posts look harsh or rude but afterall we are all just here to share our experiences and at times vent our frustration.

We are all fellow riders and bro ttkoh123 relax while waiting for TP.

I personally understand what you gone through but you see, everyone (including the seniors) went through the hard times too as well.

When Rijac say why I never start reading from the front pages of CDC when I am new for tips, then I really read from page 1 onwards. Unfortunately for me as I gotten marked by instructor in CDC, I give up and then subsequently went to SSDC for my lessons.

But still I am really thankful to this forum posts earlier. I sometimes did regret never earlier taken my 2b lessons earlier and perhaps I can even got chance to meet up the seniors and can discuss more about the bikes.

 

For me I also have many negative thoughts on like what happens if I fail, the test centre passing rates is low what if I gotten lousy bike.

I even did harbor the thought to go overseas to buy "licence" then back to Singapore and convert. But in the end your practices from the revision will be shown during your TP with good or bad bikes. Good luck and have a good day everyone.

[ttkoh123]

Relax and Peace pls.. Sometimes I think the forum posts look harsh or rude but afterall we are all just here to share our experiences and at times vent our frustration.

We are all fellow riders and bro ttkoh123 relax while waiting for TP.

I personally understand what you gone through but you see, everyone (including the seniors) went through the hard times too as well.

When Rijac say why I never start reading from the front pages of CDC when I am new for tips, then I really read from page 1 onwards. Unfortunately for me as I gotten marked by instructor in CDC, I give up and then subsequently went to SSDC for my lessons.

But still I am really thankful to this forum posts earlier. I sometimes did regret never earlier taken my 2b lessons earlier and perhaps I can even got chance to meet up the seniors and can discuss more about the bikes.

 

For me I also have many negative thoughts on like what happens if I fail, the test centre passing rates is low what if I gotten lousy bike.

I even did harbor the thought to go overseas to buy "licence" then back to Singapore and convert. But in the end your practices from the revision will be shown during your TP with good or bad bikes. Good luck and have a good day everyone.

 

Thanks Bro, so relaxing to hear from you..... nice car :-)

[di_andrei]

Because you insist in your ignorance, here are some facts:

 

I heard instructor said last batch of TP test failed badly. Out of 50, only 15 passed, mostly immediately failures. I think the quality of the bikes must be pretty bad. Tried a few of them, some, the handle is very light like floating, some wheels tend to pull you to the side, some really bad clutches, and one bike foot brake like E-brake. CDC boasted on high percentage of theory tests passes while they kept numb on TP test passing rate.

 

FYI, pass/fail rates are public so CDC does not "keep numb" (LOL) on pass rates. Here are the pass/fail rates for all driving schools for the last year: http://driving-in-singapore.spf.gov.sg/services/driving_in_singapore/services/prt.html

 

Look at that - amazingly CDC has the highest pass rate for 2B, both for 1st timers and for repeats. It's even higher than it was when I took the test a few years back - I remember that the pass rate for repeats was below 50%.

 

So we say loudly... CDC PASSING RATE VERY LOW.... until they malu. If no malu, we compel the in charge men to henta kaki...

 

You can say it loud until you are blue in the face, but as you can see above that doesn't make it true.

 

15 out of 50 passes is just not acceptable, tantamount to wasting Government license to operate as riding/driving school

 

For any one TP day anything can happen. Sometimes almost everyone passes. Sometimes a lot of people fail. The plural of anecdote is not data.

[FTW.]

Before my TP, (i am from SSDC) I told myself to try random bikes so that I can be aware and prepared for the unexpected.

[ttkoh123]

Because you insist in your ignorance, here are some facts:

 

FYI, pass/fail rates are public so CDC does not "keep numb" (LOL) on pass rates. Here are the pass/fail rates for all driving schools for the last year: http://driving-in-singapore.spf.gov.sg/services/driving_in_singapore/services/prt.html

 

Look at that - amazingly CDC has the highest pass rate for 2B, both for 1st timers and for repeats. It's even higher than it was when I took the test a few years back - I remember that the pass rate for repeats was below 50%.

 

You can say it loud until you are blue in the face, but as you can see above that doesn't make it true.

 

For any one TP day anything can happen. Sometimes almost everyone passes. Sometimes a lot of people fail. The plural of anecdote is not data.

 

 

Hi Andrei; I was saying and it all begun with "I heard instructor said last batch of TP test failed badly. Out of 50, only 15 passed] Instructor look horribly sad and cannot believe the result as well. I deduced that the bikes must be the cause because its unusual. The purpose as I said was to [help them to improve]. Boasting means they flash the theory test rates on the TV screen in the registration office, they should also flash 15/50. numb meant that the TV screen only boast on theory pass rate. The other snippets were just simply cut and placed out of context. It should read;

Aiyo guys, we need to move on with a Positive attitude towards helping to IMPROVE the society we live in.... Instead of comparing with the bad, would you not compare with the good to compel an improvement. Anyway we cannot expect TP test passing rates to be so low, considering the amount of money we paid and learn so little. We need them to properly maintain the bikes leh... So we say loudly... CDC PASSING RATE VERY LOW.... until they malu. If no malu, we compel the in charge men to henta kaki...

 

The above reinforced the main purpose of the subject in question - to improve the society and to help the community by voicing it a loud. The other statement I made: "15 out of 50 passes is just not acceptable further reinforced the main purpose and the subject in question. Is it not the purpose of this forum to help the community? Definitely it should not be for self trumpeting.

 

I repeat what I have said, I am NOT amongst the 50 or the 35 who have failed. Hence, there is no reason for me to be bitter about.

 

In your eagerness to review your findings of the publication, you must have misread the original intention as it was set out to be. Cheers!...

Edited August 27, 2015 by ttkoh123

[FireGunz]

Hmmmmm.... no offence to any of you as I just to point out that "15 out of 50 passes is just not acceptable" why? As I know SSDC there is 05 out of 51 passes which had happen it pass few month ago (if I not mistaken). So seem it fail the TP then go again (if you wanted the license) or tranfer to other driving center (if not happy with the instructors or whatever is it).

 

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[timewalker84]

Hi Andrei; I was saying and it all begun with "I heard instructor said last batch of TP test failed badly. Out of 50, only 15 passed] Instructor look horribly sad and cannot believe the result as well. I deduced that the bikes must be the cause because its unusual. The purpose as I said was to [help them to improve]. Boasting means they flash the theory test rates on the TV screen in the registration office, they should also flash 15/50. numb meant that the TV screen only boast on theory pass rate. The other snippets were just simply cut and placed out of context. It should read;

 

 

The above reinforced the main purpose of the subject in question - to improve the society and to help the community by voicing it a loud. The other statement I made: "15 out of 50 passes is just not acceptable further reinforced the main purpose and the subject in question. Is it not the purpose of this forum to help the community? Definitely it should not be for self trumpeting.

 

I repeat what I have said, I am NOT amongst the 50 or the 35 who have failed. Hence, there is no reason for me to be bitter about.

 

In your eagerness to review your findings of the publication, you must have misread the original intention as it was set out to be. Cheers!...

 

I'm just wondering about your statement above. Given that the statistics appear to be rather normal, I would think that inthe numerous tests before the dreaded 15/50 test date, pass rates were as they normally are, and that the disastrous result on that date was a statistical anomaly. By blaming the bikes for the recent debacle, are you saying that bikes all suddenly went haywire on that date despite being totally fine in all recent previous tests?

 

Accepting your theory that the bikes are to blame requires quite a stretch of the imagination, as that theory suggests a sudden, unprecedented and simultaneous failure of an entire batch of relatively new machines which have been working fine all along.

 

I'd respectfully suggest a more plausible theory, that the testees on that date were simply not up to mark.

[jbdoggy]

I'd respectfully suggest a more plausible theory, that the testees on that date were simply not up to mark.

 

There are quite a number of reason why 1 may fail - careless, performance anxiety/nerves, certain unlucky situations, not up to std yet etc etc.

 

But he did mention that during that time, most failed because of IF. Hence your deduction wld probably be the most accurate reason.

[ttkoh123]

I'd respectfully suggest a more plausible theory, that the testees on that date were simply not up to mark.

 

Considering that all the testees went through riding assessment in Lesson 8 and are verified by the instructors to proceed TP, I would not doubt instructor judgment or testees skills. In my case, I was slapped with 53 points and 3 immediate [on road] in my first L8, and then 32 points and then passed with 8 demerit points in 3rd attempt... Its not easy in L8 and instructors are strict and want students to attend more revisions both road and circuits. Some are also not kind in their remarks. Therefore, Blaming the testees is equivalent to blaming CDC system or the quality of the instructors as well. TimerWalker84 had not walk the ground for a long time, I supposed?. Bikes are new but can be dropped by students. I have already highlighted the various problems with the bikes I encountered as I have said, I tried a lot of bikes there.

But I think, the community in this forum can unite to do good. Squabble over things that have no purpose and no direction in life are just waste of time and are self-demeaning. So we unite as SingaporeBikes Community to "Compel an Improvement" . Since no one would disagree that good maintained bikes makes a difference, CDC should repair and maintain all the problem bikes up to standard. 15 out of 50 cannot be accepted. Maintenance should includes overhauling the gears and sprockets, change away bended drive shaft etc.. not just cosmetic like replacing broken lights, oil, brake pad or just adjustment. [reasoning: management always want to cut down on maintenance cost], we may be helping the poor ah lau [maintenance guy] there as well cause recently I saw lorry picking up bikes for maintenance [out-source]. Cheers!

[Metalskin]

Considering that all the testees went through riding assessment in Lesson 8 and are verified by the instructors to proceed TP, I would not doubt instructor judgment or testees skills. In my case, I was slapped with 53 points and 3 immediate [on road] in my first L8, and then 32 points and then passed with 8 demerit points in 3rd attempt... Its not easy in L8 and instructors are strict and want students to attend more revisions both road and circuits. Some are also not kind in their remarks. Therefore, Blaming the testees is equivalent to blaming CDC system or the quality of the instructors as well. TimerWalker84 had not walk the ground for a long time, I supposed?. Bikes are new but can be dropped by students. I have already highlighted the various problems with the bikes I encountered as I have said, I tried a lot of bikes there.

But I think, the community in this forum can unite to do good. Squabble over things that have no purpose and no direction in life are just waste of time and are self-demeaning. So we unite as SingaporeBikes Community to "Compel an Improvement" . Since no one would disagree that good maintained bikes makes a difference, CDC should repair and maintain all the problem bikes up to standard. 15 out of 50 cannot be accepted. Maintenance should includes overhauling the gears and sprockets, change away bended drive shaft etc.. not just cosmetic like replacing broken lights, oil, brake pad or just adjustment. [reasoning: management always want to cut down on maintenance cost], we may be helping the poor ah lau [maintenance guy] there as well cause recently I saw lorry picking up bikes for maintenance [out-source]. Cheers!

 

 

 

Be more sensible pls. Hopefully u are not a hazard to other road user if u pass

Edited August 28, 2015 by Metalskin

[ttkoh123]

Be more sensible pls. Hopefully u are not a hazard to other road user if u pass

 

Those interested in joining his band of sensibility can call 97440757. hahahahahahaha

[lovewei]

Blame everything and everyone except for themselves. Continue to live in delusion and whine about every single thing that are not favorable to you.

 

Keep up the good work.

[timewalker84]

Considering that all the testees went through riding assessment in Lesson 8 and are verified by the instructors to proceed TP, I would not doubt instructor judgment or testees skills. In my case, I was slapped with 53 points and 3 immediate [on road] in my first L8, and then 32 points and then passed with 8 demerit points in 3rd attempt... Its not easy in L8 and instructors are strict and want students to attend more revisions both road and circuits. Some are also not kind in their remarks. Therefore, Blaming the testees is equivalent to blaming CDC system or the quality of the instructors as well. TimerWalker84 had not walk the ground for a long time, I supposed?. Bikes are new but can be dropped by students. I have already highlighted the various problems with the bikes I encountered as I have said, I tried a lot of bikes there.

But I think, the community in this forum can unite to do good. Squabble over things that have no purpose and no direction in life are just waste of time and are self-demeaning. So we unite as SingaporeBikes Community to "Compel an Improvement" . Since no one would disagree that good maintained bikes makes a difference, CDC should repair and maintain all the problem bikes up to standard. 15 out of 50 cannot be accepted. Maintenance should includes overhauling the gears and sprockets, change away bended drive shaft etc.. not just cosmetic like replacing broken lights, oil, brake pad or just adjustment. [reasoning: management always want to cut down on maintenance cost], we may be helping the poor ah lau [maintenance guy] there as well cause recently I saw lorry picking up bikes for maintenance [out-source]. Cheers!

 

Do forgive me if I'm a little slow or dense - I don't always catch on to difficult concepts very fast. I'm having some trouble understanding your arguments, and maybe you could explain. According to you, the CDC instructors are harsh and wouldn't pass L8 students easily. Yet despite these demanding instructors, all those 50 candidates managed to pass their L8 and progress to TP. Doesn't this suggest that the bikes must have been fine? There must be something I'm missing here.

 

I remember during the time when @darkredmica, @lovewei, @Metalskin, @rijac and a few others were having their 2B TP, the bikes were all 10 year old bikes, which were shortly scrapped and replaced by these spanking new 1yr+ old bikes that you're riding today. I honestly don't think you're having a tougher time on these new machines than they did on the old ones. I disagree with your evaluation of @darkredmica as I've always known her to be a very sincere and easygoing girl, who is very much loved by a large riding community and a lucky and caring boyfriend. Someone as bad as the person you've made her out to be would never be so well-liked and loved.

 

She took all the beatings you are currently taking as a student, despite being a petite 1.55m, 40kg girl who didn't even have the strength to dismount the bike from its maknstand. Despite the multiple falls and bruises she took, she stoically took the pain and failures without complaints and became a fine rider. I think you've got lots to learn from her, and that you will change your opinion of her should you ever have the privilege of meeting her one day. @rijac is another inspiring example. He was just months away from his expat posting to NZ, where he would have to retake his biking license from scratch. Yet he refused to admit defeat, and persevered uncomplaining until he passed, when he could have just taken the easy, convenient way out and abandoned his pursuit of the SG license.

 

They are fine examples of riding students and good friends, and I don't think you have the right to judge them and mock them the way you have. It is not right to blame the machine unless its engine fails halfway during the test or its brakes are totally malfunctioning. In the absence of a catastrophic failure, the rider is always to blame.

 

Riding school is full of fine people and comes with lots of opportunities to make great friends. You should treasure and enjoy these days rather than feeling bitter about the unpalatable but useful advice people are giving. I wish you all the best in your TP, and pray that when your time comes to be judged, you will have the requisite skill to pass despite having a less than perfect bike. If your ability to perform well hinges on your ability to secure an immaculate bike, you will simply endanger yourself by riding on our treacherous roads. Cheers and good luck for your upcoming TP!

[ttkoh123]

Blame everything and everyone except for themselves. Continue to live in delusion and whine about every single thing that are not favorable to you.

 

Keep up the good work.

 

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