Honda New 400cc lineup 2013, CB400F, CB400X, CBR400R

[Baal]

Currently ride a spec 3,07,intend to change a new bike,revo or cb400x?any advise?

 

If u want S4, I think wait a while lah......coz revo is already 6 yrs coming 7 yr model........the replacement may just come soon. Csd that Vtec came 1999, Revo came 2008 about 10 years. I tink hold ur horses.....let the new 400s price plunge a little more. Old Carb Vtecs are moe reliable & prob free compared to Revo. Whay pay more ?

[mechwira]

actually now the discussion becoming irrelevant.

 

most, if not all, of the honda (and other jap brands) global bikes are manufactured in japan. this means most, if not all, of the parts are produced in japan, and the bike is assembled in japan. some parts maybe outsourced to cheaper countries or companies. for all intents and purposes, these are 'made in japan'.

 

some southeast asia specific models, like the honda wave, are 'made in thailand'. some parts may still be manufactured by honda back in japan, maybe even the entire engine, but most of the parts and the assembly itself, is thailand.

 

then you have for example some of the hybrid cars, different parts of the car made in different parts of the world and then finally assembled, in whole pieces, at the home factory.

 

i think it is generally acknowleldged that the 500 series is 'made in thailand'. no doubt some parts, maybe even major components, might still be manufactured in the japan factory, but chances are the final product itself is mostly made in thailand, and then maybe brought back whole and assembled to japan before export. the thai stickers are a dead giveaway for where it is finally assembled.

 

the question is, is the 400 series made differently? why would honda design the original 500, purposely to be economical, and then to cut down further the costs they build in thailand... and after that decide "i think i can shorten the stroke just a bit everything else exactly same for domestic market and some asia markets"... and they build it completely differently, entirely in japan?

[Baal]

I also think the stickers are dead give away. Besides, Looking at the specs, dun think it "needs" Jpn's high tech factorys & engineers to oversee the entire process.

[Nick_Lee]

I believe the quality of the bike will still be pretty gd... But I do not think that honda would assemble the major parts in Japan before shipping all the parts to Thailand just for assembly. It's just not cost effective... But to each his own... One man's junk is another's gold, just buy any bike that you like and can afford, enjoy riding it and ride safe...

[alanli]

actually now the discussion becoming irrelevant.

 

most, if not all, of the honda (and other jap brands) global bikes are manufactured in japan. this means most, if not all, of the parts are produced in japan, and the bike is assembled in japan. some parts maybe outsourced to cheaper countries or companies. for all intents and purposes, these are 'made in japan'.

 

i think it is generally acknowleldged that the 500 series is 'made in thailand'...

 

the question is, is the 400 series made differently? why would honda design the original 500, purposely to be economical, and then to cut down further the costs they build in thailand... and after that decide "i think i can shorten the stroke just a bit everything else exactly same for domestic market and some asia markets"... and they build it completely differently, entirely in japan?

 

I think you're reading it not quite right. Honda didn't decide "I think I can shorten..." they are from jap leh. they don't produce a series than LATER decide that they can put in a 400cc engine. When honda come out with the series, they already know they must produce a version for jap mkt. hence, when they design the series, they know it is to fit both 400cc and 500cc. They know for sure can shorten. It is not quite the way you seem to think, that the design and specs is for 500cc. It's like you can buy BMW 523 or 525.

 

the bikes are the same. However, I already noticed a difference in the paintwork. why I say I'm not sure is that japanese like to buy made in jap. for their kaki nang, they may just produce in jap. now if these bikes were not made specifically for jap mkt and just for south east asia or angmo, i'll say confirm made in thai.

[alanli]

For those buying, I paid under 15k for my bike, all in, including insurance. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me. Hope to see more ppl support the series!

Edited October 7, 2013 by alanli

[alanli]

I also think the stickers are dead give away. Besides, Looking at the specs, dun think it "needs" Jpn's high tech factorys & engineers to oversee the entire process.

 

Japan factory also produce normal vehicle bro.

[mechwira]

I think you're reading it not quite right. Honda didn't decide "I think I can shorten..." they are from jap leh. they don't produce a series than LATER decide that they can put in a 400cc engine. When honda come out with the series, they already know they must produce a version for jap mkt. hence, when they design the series, they know it is to fit both 400cc and 500cc. They know for sure can shorten. It is not quite the way you seem to think, that the design and specs is for 500cc. It's like you can buy BMW 523 or 525.

 

the bikes are the same. However, I already noticed a difference in the paintwork. why I say I'm not sure is that japanese like to buy made in jap. for their kaki nang, they may just produce in jap. now if these bikes were not made specifically for jap mkt and just for south east asia or angmo, i'll say confirm made in thai.

 

you can interpret it anyway you want. the CBR500R and two siblings were shown to the world much earlier, and the intention of the 500 series was 1) to meet they new european licencing laws and 2) to make a new generation of bikes designed around economy and practicality. In other words, the 500 series is an extension of the earlier NC700 series, but with an engine that meets the new european licence.

 

it was only later that they then showed the 400 series, with no difference at all except a shorter stroke. you claim its a deliberate design when they first made the 500, i imply it was an afterthought. frankly i couldn care less. its a 500 series with one tiny modification to fit their domestic market, not a different bike. this is not like CBR600RR and CBR1000RR, two different bikes with two entirely different engines. this is more like Suzuki Hayabusa for international market and then Suzuki Hayabusa with power cut for japanese market. just that with the 400 series, the power cut is a shorter stroke rather than a different ECU+TRE for the hayabusa.

 

different paintwork? Ninja300 sold in US, Europe and Asia all different paintwork. Honda's CBR600/1000 in US and Europe also different paintwork. they're all the same bike.

 

end of the day, i have no confirmation exactly how or where the 400 is manufactured. the 500 is made in thailand, and i think the 400 is the same, just that somewhere in the middle of the 500 assembly linein the thai factory, they shorten the stroke, paint a bit different, and boomz you have the 400 series.

[alanli]

you can interpret you want.

 

excuse me bro, you're the one who pointed out that all they have to do is shorten the stroke to change 500cc to 400cc but you think that while designing the series, it would not have occurred to them at all and only remembered the jap mkt later when they are in jap. "oh crap! we forgot we need a 400cc bike for our own japs!" really or not? Just because they have something in mind doesn't mean must immediately roll out for all sort of reasons. First come out sedan, then cabriolet then coupe. Sometimes diesel version come out later.

 

It is the norm for car and bike manufacturers to come up with a design to fit different engines. bike is more limited than car but surely you can see that these things are not an afterthought? anyway, up to you.

 

we are just exchanging info here. I don't really care if you don't really care, no prob

Edited October 7, 2013 by alanli

[Baal]

Ya, Jpn do make BnB cars/trucks. forgot.

 

For the 500/400, I am inclined to believe they prioritised the 500 1st while also ensuring that they could stroke down to 400. The diff could possiblt be just a shorter conrod & header gasket of different thickness.?!!

 

Think the 500 euro spec would have a bigger market. Business follow where the $ is.

 

15k OTR plus insur. U over 31yrs ? U cash & carry or installament? At 5% PA?

[mechwira]

For the 500/400, I am inclined to believe they prioritised the 500 1st while also ensuring that they could stroke down to 400. The diff could possiblt be just a shorter conrod & header gasket of different thickness.?!!

 

yeah thats all there is to it, isn it. whether the downstroke was deliberate in the original design process or coincidental after the 500 was finalized, who cares.

 

why some people start arguing the point just coz i made a small joke about honda doing it like an afterthought, i donno.

[Baal]

yeah thats all there is to it, isn it. whether the downstroke was deliberate in the original design process or coincidental after the 500 was finalized, who cares.

 

why some people start arguing the point just coz i made a small joke about honda doing it like an afterthought, i donno.

 

Just to chk bro, with ur experience in biking, ur probably aware of the situation of kawa in SG. Taking into consideration the cost & avail of spares, how do u intend to overcome that for ur Ninja 300?

[alanli]

 

15k OTR plus insur. U over 31yrs ? U cash & carry or installament? At 5% PA?

 

long over 31. haha. can cash or instalment, i took instalment. less than 5%. less than 15k otr.

[alanli]

yeah thats all there is to it, isn it. whether the downstroke was deliberate in the original design process or coincidental after the 500 was finalized, who cares.

 

why some people start arguing the point just coz i made a small joke about honda doing it like an afterthought, i donno.

 

some ppl thought u write long grandmother story was because you have some serious knowledge what. how some ppl know actually you're just a joker making jokes? LOL. no prob!

[mechwira]

Just to chk bro, with ur experience in biking, ur probably aware of the situation of kawa in SG. Taking into consideration the cost & avail of spares, how do u intend to overcome that for ur Ninja 300?

 

is it you talking about the general perception that kawa parts expensive and hard to find?

 

i dun mind answering, but i dowan to cause this thread to go off-topic. you dun mind ask this question again in either the ninja300 thread, or kawa distributor thread.

 

then i go there for my own sharing. not appropriate to do so in this thread thanks.

[Baal]

is it you talking about the general perception that kawa parts expensive and hard to find?

 

i dun mind answering, but i dowan to cause this thread to go off-topic. you dun mind ask this question again in either the kawa distributor thread.

 

then i go there for my own sharing. not appropriate to do so in this thread thanks.

 

yep I posted there very briefly on 3/10/213.

kawa distributor thread.

 

yes, about percep that parts are exp & hard to find. Its like severely marked up , hard to find. AD in Malaysia is the same as as SG? Hence savings is due to conversion. Only those who venture freq up north shuld csd kawa....etc

[Nick_Lee]

some ppl thought u write long grandmother story was because you have some serious knowledge what. how some ppl know actually you're just a joker making jokes? LOL. no prob!

 

I think regardless if mechwira got his knowledge about the bike right or wrong, he is a genuine biker who wish to offer his opinion on the new cb400 series... by the way you type, I guess you are part of honda's R&D team for this series? No I guess... otherwise your knowledge is just as gd as his... pure speculation.

[mechwira]

yep I posted there very briefly on 3/10/213.

kawa distributor thread.

 

yes, about percep that parts are exp & hard to find. Its like severely marked up , hard to find. AD in Malaysia is the same as as SG? Hence savings is due to conversion. Only those who venture freq up north shuld csd kawa....etc

 

replied you in that other thread.

[alanli]

I think regardless if mechwira got his knowledge about the bike right or wrong, he is a genuine biker who wish to offer his opinion on the new cb400 series... by the way you type, I guess you are part of honda's R&D team for this series? No I guess... otherwise your knowledge is just as gd as his... pure speculation.

 

hey dude, mechwira already said he was offering a joke view. you're welcome to speculate if my knowledge is as good as his. it reflects more on your knowledge than mine, doesn't really bother me.

[Nick_Lee]

hey dude, mechwira already said he was offering a joke view. you're welcome to speculate if my knowledge is as good as his. it reflects more on your knowledge than mine, doesn't really bother me.

 

I really do hope you understand what you are trying to say, simply because i am having a hard time to trying to decipher what you are typing... I guess you just chicken-ed out after trying to be sacarstic and met your match... Maybe it's the tone of the text, maybe it's the way you have structured your grammar... Either way, I hope you do learn that this is a forum... Opinions are like a-holes everyone has one... Trust me, what I typed bothered you, otherwise, why would you reply? This is gg off topic... Shall end here...

[Baal]

Chill. Anyway, for this bike series, if i ever got 1, once the stock tyres wear out, i will change front to 110/70 for more agility, slightly more sporty geometry & rear to 140/70 for better pick up. I dont really lean that much that often. to be frank, i was just a poser on my 929 previously...

[alanli]

I really do hope you understand what you are trying to say, simply because i am having a hard time to trying to decipher what you are typing... I guess you just chicken-ed out after trying to be sacarstic and met your match... Maybe it's the tone of the text, maybe it's the way you have structured your grammar... Either way, I hope you do learn that this is a forum... Opinions are like a-holes everyone has one... Trust me, what I typed bothered you, otherwise, why would you reply? This is gg off topic... Shall end here...

 

you're welcomed to consider your opinion an a-hole. but speak for yourself. as for the english language, i completely agree with you i'm not your match - yours is below par. i got an a1 for gp some 20 years ago. what did you get?

 

unfortunately, it's not only your english which needs work. you also suffer from a distinct lack of intellect. which school did you attend which taught you that when one replies, it means one is bothered? i suppose you're the sort of chap who thinks that when a lady replies, "i'm fine. yourself?" it means she wants to have sex with you. trust you? i'll pass. you think everyone has an opinion when in reality, some people have no opinion and not all opinions are a-holes in nature. where did you learn such rubbbish? the same school where you attended english lessons would be my guess.

 

my previous posts were written in the colloquial form, which you mistook to be a sign of deficiency in the english language. you on the other hand, are trying to type in proper english but make schoolboy errors which are frankly embarrassing. the next time you wish to take someone's english proficiency to task, you may wish to avoid gaffes such as "by the way you type." it's 'from', not 'by', you twit.

 

i apologise if my tone appears sarcastic to you but that has more to do with your poor reading skills than my writing style. we could continue to trade barbs all day but you'll still be known as the fool who doesn't know the difference between 'by the way' and 'from the way'. let's move on, shall we?

Edited October 8, 2013 by alanli

[Jehuty]

About where its made also can fight, yall can join the plain clothes commando, I only care about the price, I hope more people buy it because I'd look for a 2nd hand one.

[Bikeprod]

About where its made also can fight, yall can join the plain clothes commando, I only care about the price, I hope more people buy it because I'd look for a 2nd hand one.

 

Used one will take some time, why not buy new?

[Baal]

Used one will take some time, why not buy new?

 

Whats the machine price of 400x at ur end? just enquiring.