City Harvest Church

[Phantom00]

Originally posted by MS@Aug 5 2005, 03:57 PM

How I have behaved, the public sees. And how you've behaved, the public also sees. Who's the hypocrite, God decides. I dun have any right to shoot you back. Josean is a personal friend of mine for years. His nature is very calm and peaceful. Something bad must have rocked his faith like earthquake. Both he and SK has turned to a more peaceful way to discuss. Shouldn't you too? I have pointed out CHC's wrong doctrine part not as form of arrogance. I have been discussig this with pple from my church and even members of other churches agree. However, CHC has undoubted integrity in their honesty towards funds management. This is what 3 months of CHC has shown. Stop hanging the word hypocrite on your mouth. Only Jesus has the right to call pple hypocrite. The rest who uses it are hypocrites themselves.

 

1 impt thing that explains many things: Prayer is never the last resort to solve things. Human intervention is never the best.

 

I just share a story with you as well the public.

 

A woman was brought to Jesus by the pharisees. The pharisees claimed that she was a filthy woman. So they asked Jesus to give the permission to stone her to death according to Moses law. This was done to trap him. Upon hearing this, Jesus said,"Whoever is without sin may throw the first stone." And Jesus squate down and started scribbling on the floor. As he scribbled, 1 by 1, the pharisees left 1 by 1 until all of them left. Then Jesus asked the woman, "eh? where are the pharisees?"

The woman replied, "Sir, they all left."

Then Jesus told the woman to go too, but stop sinning.

Quote MS

Aug 5 2005, 03:57 PM

 

How I have behaved, the public sees.

 

I certainly see your inconsistencies and the way you do not practice what you preach. Read carefully my post on Aug 5 2005, 02:58 PM, before making your statements.

 

Here you stated you don’t have the right to point out another’s mistakes:

 

Quote MS

Aug 1 2005, 12:11 PM

 

I think its better for us to take out the log in our own eyes before telling your brother to take out the log in his eyes. Such a person is a what you should know. Even I think I dun have the right to point your mistakes in the public forum.

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=2036783

 

 

Here you are, pointing at others’ mistakes, and stating that others lack faith and have shallow understanding.

 

Quote MS

Jun 19 2005, 03:43 PM

 

Christian brother! U really lack faith and take things into your hands too much.

Then don't let the shallow understanding which you lean on yourself cloud whats God's desire in what he hopes you to be.

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=1898834

 

 

Here you are, pointing at another church’s mistakes:

 

Quote MS

Jul 25 2005, 07:34 PM

 

The reason I left the church was due to extreme wrong doctrines in their teachings.

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=2016642

 

 

Quote MS

Jul 26 2005, 06:46 PM

 

The way CHC are doing are wrong already.

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=2019926

 

 

The public certainly sees your behaviour:

 

Reply from BikeLover

Jun 19 2005, 04:43 PM

 

Now u call the christian frens here have no faith

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=1898964

 

 

Reply from BikeLover

Jun 19 2005, 10:22 AM

 

It is with this kind of attitude when the true misunderstanding arose..... this kind of I-am-correct-you-don't-understand attitude. Anyway this is a forum, that is why u post to discuss, rite?

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=1898141

 

 

Quote MS

Aug 5 2005, 03:57 PM

 

And how you've behaved, the public also sees.

 

Who's the hypocrite, God decides.

 

You have a very magnificent way of twisting the facts. I have not ever stated I do not point out another’s mistakes. I challenge you to read through all my posts. I have maintained the stand that it is alright to disagree. Whether right or wrong, we come with a basis, not baseless allegations.

 

Whether in private or public I will maintain the same honesty and transparency, which is unlike your behaviour. I had dealt with you purposefully in a hard tone because of your behaviour (refer

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....post&p=2052150)

 

I challenge you to go through all my posts. In regards to my communications with speedkills I do not adopt such an approach.

 

Quote Phantom00

Jul 27 2005, 06:20 PM

 

Its a lengthy reply, but I appreciate the sincerity in your beliefs.

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=2023647

 

 

Either you are severely delusional, or you are just a natural in behaving inconsistently and adopting double standards. You claimed again, for the (how many times? Its getting hard to count) in your post on Aug 5 2005, 03:57 PM that you don’t have the right to shoot people back. But you have been shooting people and City Harvest.

 

Quote MS

Aug 5 2005, 03:57 PM

 

I dun have any right to shoot you back.

 

 

Quote MS

Jun 19 2005, 03:43 PM

 

Christian brother! U really lack faith and take things into your hands too much.

Then don't let the shallow understanding which you lean on yourself cloud whats God's desire in what he hopes you to be.

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=1898834

 

 

Quote MS

Jul 25 2005, 07:34 PM

 

The reason I left the church was due to extreme wrong doctrines in their teachings.

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=2016642

 

 

Quote MS

Jul 26 2005, 06:46 PM

 

The way CHC are doing are wrong already.

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=2019926

 

The public certainly sees your behaviour:

 

Reply from BikeLover

Jun 19 2005, 04:43 PM

 

Now u call the christian frens here have no faith

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=1898964

 

 

Reply from BikeLover

Jun 19 2005, 10:22 AM

 

It is with this kind of attitude when the true misunderstanding arose..... this kind of I-am-correct-you-don't-understand attitude. Anyway this is a forum, that is why u post to discuss, rite?

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=1898141

 

 

You certainly have a way of twisting your way and diverting from the real issues:

 

Quote MS

Aug 5 2005, 03:57 PM

 

Josean is a personal friend of mine for years. His nature is very calm and peaceful. Something bad must have rocked his faith like earthquake.

 

 

What has the above got to do with the issue at hand?

 

Your theories are erroneous. I am not the only one who sees it. You have chosen to live in your own delusions.

 

 

Quote MS

Jun 19 2005, 04:50 AM

 

To the above quote, If I were to see those so called hard core christians, I will simply leave them to do what they want. If I stop them what does it actually benefit us?

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=1897989

 

 

Reply from BikeLover

Jun 19 2005, 10:22 AM

 

Your doctrine don't seems very good either. For example, one day when you are very weak and too sick to move and 12 rogue monks pulled you into the temple to shave. I know you very well and I know these monks are wrong, but I just stand there doing nothing, becos "I don't want to create frictions between buddhists". I let Buddha decide mah. Now you are alive but cannot move, so you lan-lan watch as your hair get shaved one.....by.....one. The rest touch-wood so I don't say..... kekeke. And to add oil to the fire, I quote "If I stop them what does it actually benefit us?"

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=1898141

 

 

Reply from BaaBaa Black Sheep

Jun 19 2005, 02:44 PM

 

I do not agree with you. you choose to turn a blind eye to your fellow wayward believers. That is an extremely selfish act. And stopping them do not benefit u.

And if god was to judge them, you will be judge the same way as them.

Equally wrong.

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=1898665

 

 

Reply from max_nhk

Jun 19 2005, 04:44 PM

 

Neither us or anybody can control what others think. They might not even want to hear, let alone understand and accept.

But does that mean one should give up and not even try?

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....dpost&p=1898965

 

 

I reiterate, I have not ever stated I do not point out another’s mistakes. I have maintained the stand that it is alright to disagree. You were the one expounding on not disagreeing and pointing another’s mistakes. You were also the one doing that. And you had put up a spectacular display of your inconsistencies and the way you do not practice what you preach. You had claimed yourself to be gentle in approaching issues. I do not see it, whether in private or public.

 

I said it before in private, I will say it again now in public, if your allegations on City Harvest are brought up to the court of law, you will take sole responsibilities for what you had alleged. Your allegations on the church and on me when taken to court will never stand up to scrutiny.

[MS]

Originally posted by BaaBaa Black Sheep@Aug 5 2005, 06:10 PM

Then why so many still xtians classfiy food offered by the buddhist to be unclean?

Guess there must be some goof harping on the old teachings. And people who are too stubborn to accept others beliefs

actually a very correct and detailed form of explanation can cause an uproar of dissatisfaction amongst non christians. Why not come to a church and listen for sometime then gradually a better way of explanation will be presented to you?

[redname]

Originally posted by MS@Aug 5 2005, 05:27 PM

I WANNA GO! But working nightshift. At first I tot of going with an old army friend of mine also from the forum in the sportsbike side. The chicken rice stall owner. But then when I realised I got night shift I sian 1/2 way. My friend jio Kulai tomorrow I also cannot go, Only help him jio pple join him at 2200H.

aiyah, too bad u nvr go. the bands were gd, they didn't play fanciful but everyone blend in really well, shiok. esp delirious cause their genre is my type also, then hear them play, my blood starts to raise up, feel like taking my guitar & plug in my effects to jam with them

[Elton]

I don't have anything to say about Jesus or any gods... For the majority of christians out there. Pls do not think of food offered to the gods as "unclean"

[kata_killer]

.... I found tat food offered to the gods as "unclean" , is total wrong...

 

To all d christian out there, Pls do not point finger n say bad abt other religion. U wan me to say, I will give a 100 times wat u have said b4....

 

Let's make it low.....

 

DId U know tat my gd buddy have a very bad crash in front of d church as 1 of d church member who is driving a car is doing an overshort turn to another exit which is opposite d other lane?

 

Did U know tat my OWN BRO have a crash in front of church just because another Van driver ( who also d church member) turn left without giving a signal?

 

 

U know Y i know this? It becos When I attend to my Bro n my buddy, I asked d persons who hit them, Which church R u from in my 1st few sentences, They told me they R from CHC. Then wat can I do?

 

To me, I dun find pin finger into each other religion is gd... For me, We forgive n Forget is wat we need... I'm not a christain but personally I fell tat the church bulid there is a great mistake. SHould have bulid somewhere which is less crowded then where is it nw. In fact, the place was so busy where it's used to me, after buliding church over there, it even worst. The traffic is even heavily...

 

1 matter I'm not happy is.... Y d church members after each service is over likes to cross d roads without using proper traffic lights? ( I dun mind going over there to take photos if U wan) Walk like nobody business through d road even d traffic is very heavy n also cross d roads without seeing cars or bikes. Even d cars or bikes R approaching them very fast, they dun even have d thinking to walk faster or some even worst, use Handphone tok n tok n nvm see d roads R clear anot b4 crossing? I really hope d pastor over there can remind d members to cross d road in a proper ways as it's causing danger to U, ureself n other road users... this is wat I wan.

[comics00]

sigh...back online today & c all these "shooting"

u ppl call the pics or statue as idol! the answer is they r not idols! pls get this rite, when the monks chant they have the pics/statues as a form of reminder or as a fig to help them forcus. it was never mean to be pray to. just like when i write my parents letters i have their photo infront of me. there r many ppl chose to practice differently from buddha's teaching...sigh...hope to explain to u ppl

there r ppl that translate/practice the origina teaching differently doesn't give us the rite to shoot. look at the nos. of denomination man has created out of the "Holy book"!!

as i dont c any point talking to ppl who r so proud thinking that what he believe is rite, nothing else is anything close to being rite. sigh... i m a father, i know how much love & forgiveness i can give to my child, no matter he do i will never let him be anything close to hell. thus i can't believe in a God that claim to love his childred but will sent them to hell. i rest my case, this will be my last post.

[sheep]

Well, people learn and study buddhism, It is not preached.

People preach christianity. As the common nature of humans, we tend to add our own ideologies into the beliefs in whatever we preach, That where things go wrong.

Example, a car on the road, the information passed through 100 people, the car becomes a tank.

[Ghost00]

Originally posted by kata_killer@Aug 11 2005, 03:15 AM

.... I found tat food offered to the gods as "unclean" , is total wrong...

 

To all d christian out there, Pls do not point finger n say bad abt other religion. U wan me to say, I will give a 100 times wat u have said b4....

 

Let's make it low.....

 

DId U know tat my gd buddy have a very bad crash in front of d church as 1 of d church member who is driving a car is doing an overshort turn to another exit which is opposite d other lane?

 

Did U know tat my OWN BRO have a crash in front of church just because another Van driver ( who also d church member) turn left without giving a signal?

 

 

U know Y i know this? It becos When I attend to my Bro n my buddy, I asked d persons who hit them, Which church R u from in my 1st few sentences, They told me they R from CHC. Then wat can I do?

 

To me, I dun find pin finger into each other religion is gd... For me, We forgive n Forget is wat we need... I'm not a christain but personally I fell tat the church bulid there is a great mistake. SHould have bulid somewhere which is less crowded then where is it nw. In fact, the place was so busy where it's used to me, after buliding church over there, it even worst. The traffic is even heavily...

 

1 matter I'm not happy is.... Y d church members after each service is over likes to cross d roads without using proper traffic lights? ( I dun mind going over there to take photos if U wan) Walk like nobody business through d road even d traffic is very heavy n also cross d roads without seeing cars or bikes. Even d cars or bikes R approaching them very fast, they dun even have d thinking to walk faster or some even worst, use Handphone tok n tok n nvm see d roads R clear anot b4 crossing? I really hope d pastor over there can remind d members to cross d road in a proper ways as it's causing danger to U, ureself n other road users... this is wat I wan.

kata killer, good retort!! and totally agree with black sheep, buddhism is not preached, it's learnt...christianity is preached and marketed like MLM...lol..

[QuietStorm]

Where got god condemn those not his follwers one? God should bless all mankind wat... Peace on Earth... If they say food being offered to buddha or gods are "unclean", let me ask u, if scaly war time n only hav "unclean" bread to eat, do christians eat it? I bet they do... I'm not sure abt this, Is there really life after death? Who can prove it? Hav ur pastor tried it b4?

 

Anyway, this topic started out as a discussion to minimize e traffic ard CHC... Which i tink it will benefit both e church goers n e residents there...

 

There's no wrong or rite for all religions.... Watever u believe u keep to urself, ur families n frens... Religion is juz something we keep our faith. Something dat let us grip onto n believe... Dun hav to "bad mouth" other religion...

 

Come on guys! lets put this "holy war" to a FULL STOP!!! this is crap... Each of us take a step back n e world will be a better place tomolo...

 

PEACE OUT!!!!

 

[bobo_rider]

few yrs back i was setting up a show at indoor stadium for City Harvest Church... there alway held events there... i found out tat alot of their members are young gals age 16-25. late teens to young adault. the rest are the wolf lurking ard them. i think without those wolf ard the situation would be better... less cars liao.

[sheep]

Originally posted by bobo_rider@Aug 23 2005, 05:07 PM

few yrs back i was setting up a show at indoor stadium for City Harvest Church... there alway held events there... i found out tat alot of their members are young gals age 16-25. late teens to young adault. the rest are the wolf lurking ard them. i think without those wolf ard the situation would be better... less cars liao.

so u saying alot of wolves there lah.

I agree the gals there are :lovestruck:

[bobo_rider]

Yup.... the gals there are :lovestruck: . tats y attract alot wolves... Arhh WOOoooo......

[redname]

Originally posted by bobo_rider@Aug 23 2005, 05:07 PM

few yrs back i was setting up a show at indoor stadium for City Harvest Church... there alway held events there... i found out tat alot of their members are young gals age 16-25. late teens to young adault. the rest are the wolf lurking ard them. i think without those wolf ard the situation would be better... less cars liao.

haha, so its the wolves tht drives

[QuietStorm]

Pretty girls!?! When is there next outing? hehe!!

pretty girls.... Yummy...

[bobo_rider]

the wolves drive there to pick up chicks... :hungry:

[nivleK1985]

Then I've missed out alot =X

 

Anyway really off topic ler...

[bobo_rider]

think the topic become "City Harvest Chicks, Chicks Hunters warning!"

[bobo_rider]

think the topic become "City Harvest Chicks, Chicks Hunters warning!"

[BikeLover]

Originally posted by redname@Aug 24 2005, 10:26 AM

haha, so its the wolves tht drives

And they were too busy looking at the girls when driving...... now we know why the jam......

 

But I have to agree, the girls really dress up for service.... kekekeke. Too bad these younger girls not under my radar anymore.... kekeke

 

[BikeLover]

Originally posted by nivleK1985@Aug 26 2005, 06:58 AM

Then I've missed out alot =X

 

Anyway really off topic ler...

No wat, after the long discussion, we had managed to discover the "real" reason for the traffic jam.... on topic wat..... kekekeke.

[bobo_rider]

Originally posted by BikeLover@Sep 3 2005, 10:33 PM

No wat, after the long discussion, we had managed to discover the "real" reason for the traffic jam.... on topic wat..... kekekeke.

yup... the truth...

[BlackDawn]

Believe in your own faith, and let others believe in theirs...

Every faith has its own virtues, and I feel that we should not force our beliefs onto each other....

 

Peace onto all....

[bobo_rider]

juz do wat u thk is rite for urself... nobody has the rites to say u r rite or wrong...

[MS]

Originally posted by redname@Aug 5 2005, 05:19 PM

jus let him be lah. he wanna shoot at pple, jus let him go ahead. i've learnt to jus let things go, face doesn't worth much anyway. he also shoot me but until a certain point, i jus dnt give a damn. if the person tinks he's rite all the while & u have done ur part in explaining & trying to correct, then its really up to ther person to hear, if he doesn't then thts his biz. remember, those who have ears, let them hear. u r rite bout the word hypocrite cause whenever we point to smeone, 3 fingers r pointing back to us, if i'm not wrg, there's a verse thts says the same thing

eh, you went for the FOP? got take pics? can PM me the pics?

[redname]

Originally posted by MS@Sep 6 2005, 08:15 PM

eh, you went for the FOP? got take pics? can PM me the pics?

i went but nvr take pics lah, i sit veri far from the stage, angle also not gd

 

p.s unless u want those pics of the chio mei meis ard me lah hehe, jus kidding lah