Side collision with Porsche Cayenna SFK1746X.

[sky_vinz]

Dear fellow riders and drivers, advice required. Thanks for reading. At 7:40pm 22/02/2006, I was riding with my pillion on my Honda Phantom TA200 from ECP (towards Changi Airport), detouring at Rochor exit heading towards Millenia Walk. Turning into the water fountain roundabout from between Suntec Tower Two and Suntec Tower Three, I kept to the most left lane because I'm exiting soon at the second exit, which is between Suntec City Tower and Conrad International Centennial Singapore. When I was reaching the exit detour between Suntec Tower Four and Millenia Walk, I noticed a dark blue Porsche Cayenna (SFK1746X) standing still at the middle lane (second lane) for about two seconds, with its left-turn indicators switched on. I proceeded in my lane as usual, but more careful and with a slower speed (ard 10kmh). From the markings on the road, I noticed and remembered that the most left lane is used for heading straight and also left turn while the middle lane, and the most right lane, are only used for heading straight. Everything was normal, except when my front wheel had passed the Cayenna's front left wheel, I saw that it was accelerating towards me. I was in the center of my lane and with headlights on, there was no excuse that I was invisible in the blind spot. The area at the roundabout is also well lit by the lamp posts, if not also by vehicles' headlamps. Next thing I reacted was to try accelerate my bike to prevent a collision. Still the Cayenna hit hard, straight at my right sidebox, merely missing my pillion's leg by inches. The upper leg, however, suffered some numb effects. My pillion and I got off and by this time, the driver was still in his seat. Asked him off the car politely, and told him that he had collided into my sidebox. At this moment there was a traffic jam behind, and I even took the initiative to kindly ask him move the vehicle forward. All this moment, his attitude was real awful, refusing any responsibility of property damage or physical injuries. Looking at my bike's right sidebox after I've complained to him, all he said was "I don't see anything wrong." Even the left of his Cayenna's front bumper has deep scratches, which just proves how much his car has knocked and 'pushed' my bike. My sidebox was scratched and knocked open and now the lock has been out of form, awaiting repair. Asked regarding compensation issues, he rejected giving any particulars of himself, but simply giving me his mobile number verbally. After that, he rushed off hurriedly. At this moment, I could not have stopped him. Lucky for me, I have taken a picture of his Cayenna's license plate. Throughout this whole ordeal, this driver did not show any regrets, and no intentions for apologies or compensation. I hope all riders and drivers would take care of themselves and stay off from such ignorant drivers/bikers who think highly of themselves just because of their car/bike's value. Has this particular driver spared a thought and feeling for a biker who is just on two wheels, rather than sitting comfortably in his fully air-conditioned Porsche Cayenna which is on four wheels? Today's accident of mine could have been worse, with injuries and physical damage to property. Any bikers and drivers can comment and advise on what I should do next? I'm still considering an insurance claim from this driver, but I believe the damage on my sidebox would not be considered a claim. I'm trying my luck on informing the TP's traffic violations department though. Thanks once again for reading.

 

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[hart]

refusing to give particulars, and refused to stop and just left.. make a police report and say tat the driver hit and run..

[sky_vinz]

hart: Tried asking to lodge a 'hit-n-run' case with Amk's NPC, but got a warning instead. All bcoz I told them: "The driver did get out of e vehicle to tk a look, but went off w/o any particulars left behind. However, I did take a snap of e Cayenna's license plate." They insisted tat it isnt a hit-n-run case since e driver did stopped at e scene. I cant lodge an accident report either, juz bcoz there isnt any injuries. =(

[VteCFreaK]

why not claim insurance?

[ganman]

For any accident involving a motorcyclist or a cyclist and especially if anyone sustains an injury, the police should be called to the scene.

[ganman]

When Should A Traffic Accident Report Be Made?

 

A traffic accident report should be made if it involves:

 

A government vehicle or damage to government property; or

A foreign vehicle; or

A pedestrian or cyclist; or

An injury where

 

at least one party involved in the accident was conveyed to hospital from the accident scene by an ambulance; or

if conveyance to hospital was done through other transport and the party is subsequently hospitalised or given outpatient medical leave of 3 days or more; or

no one was conveyed to hospital from the scene but latent injury had subsequently developed which entailed hospitalisation or outpatient medical leave of 3 days or more; or

 

A hit-and-run.

 

 

If the accident does not fall under any of the above categories, there is no need to lodge a Police report. A General Insurance Association (GIA) Motor Accident Report to the insurance company is sufficient.

 

How Should A Traffic Accident Report Be Made?

 

A traffic accident report can be made at any Police station, NPC or NPP. One should provide (wherever possible) Police with the following information:

 

Date/time/place of accident;

Particulars of witnesses;

Damage and position of accident vehicle(s);

Registration number and description of other vehicle(s).

 

A copy of the report will be issued to the complainant.

 

Are Amendments To An Accident Report Allowed?

 

Yes. Amendments can be made by filling in an amendment form available at Traffic Police, Ubi Ave 3, Singapore 408865. Alternatively, you can write to the Head Investigation, Traffic Police stating the amendments to be made.

 

Can One Party Obtain The Other Party's Traffic Accident Report?

 

Only a person directly involved in the accident may obtain a copy. Application may be done personally at Traffic Police or through a lawyer. Or, written applications can be made to the Sales Section, Traffic Investigation Branch. The application must state the date, time and place of the accident, the vehicle(s) involved and the report number.

 

The fee for each report is $16 to $68. The search fee is $14. Cheques should be made to 'Head Investigation, Traffic Police'. For most applications, a copy of the report will be sent within 3 weeks after payment.

 

How Can The Result Of Investigation Be Obtained?

 

Application can be made personally at Traffic Police. Or, written applications may be made to the Sales Section, Traffic Investigation Branch with the date, time and place of accident, the vehicle(s) involved and the report number (if available).

 

A search fee of $14 is payable and should be enclosed with the application. If application is made for both a copy of the report and the result of investigation, only one search fee of $14 is imposed. Cheque payments should be made payable to 'Head Investigation, Traffic Police'. The result of investigation will be sent within 3 weeks after investigations have been completed. It can also be collected personally or through a representative. The representative must produce a letter of authorisation from the applicant. The letter must state the name and NRIC of the authorised representative.

 

Can Civil Claims Be Made In Cases Where No Action Is Taken By Police?

 

Yes, such a decision will not affect civil claims.

 

Can One Party Obtain The Other's Insurance Particulars When No Traffic Accident Report Was Made To Police?

 

Yes. Application for the other party's insurance particulars can be made from the Multi-Transaction Counter, 2nd Level, Land Transport Authority, No. 10 Sin Ming Road. A fee of $5.25 is payable.

 

Lodging A Traffic Accident Report As A Witness

 

If you have witnessed a traffic accident, Police would appreciate it if you would come forward to tell us what happened. Many traffic accidents remain unsolved each year because of inconclusive or conflicting evidence.

 

One factor which discourages witnesses from coming forward is having to testify in court if the case is brought to trial. Most people shy away from such exposure. However, we would like you to help Police get to the truth.

 

If you have witnessed a traffic accident, especially one in which someone was injured or killed, please lodge a traffic accident report at any Police station, NPC or NPP. Or, you can call the Traffic Police Hotline at 1800 - 547 1818 to provide the information.

 

Hit-and-Run Accident

 

If you have witnessed a hit-and-run accident, please note the following information and call '999':

 

registration number of the hit-and-run vehicle;

colour, make and model of the hit-and-run vehicle;

race and gender of the driver;

the direction the hit-and-run vehicle was last seen proceeding towards.

 

 

Source: http://www.spf.gov.sg/procedures/index.htm

[kinwei]

The police will not entertain any report if there is no injury. You should have taken down his particular. I know he hurried off, but you should stop him. It is one of the way to prove that he is the one driving. Even you got down his number plate, he might get another person to bear the blame. Then let the insurance company to settle the claim. If he refuse to give you, make a big fuss. The more ppl see, the better, then he lan lan have to give. If he get violent and physical, then lagi best. He immediately become road bully.

[Replica]

get ur pillion to the doctor, get at least 3 days MC if possible... it will help if u r filing a hit and run case...

[katana777]

bike always in the losing out theory.....

how to make police report n how to make a claim since there's no witness

dun think the pillion can be the witness

[Demon]

Originally posted by sky_vinz@Feb 23 2006, 02:04 AM

I'm still considering an insurance claim from this driver, but I believe the damage on my sidebox would not be considered a claim.

your success in claiming compensation from the porsche's insurance lies in your ability to prove that the porsche was completely at fault. However, based on the damage sustained on your bike, I would think it's going to be tough. The garage will only proceed with the repair if you pay first, and if the insurance claim is successful, you will be refunded. On that point, once the garage has collected money for work done, do you think they will go all out to make a successful insurance claim ?

 

a car that size, the driver may not be able to feel that he or she has bumped into your bike.

 

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Write in to TP Violations.

 

There is then a possibility to let TP determine and either give that driver a warning or a summon for careless driving.

[ah_tee]

Originally posted by sky_vinz@Feb 23 2006, 02:48 AM

hart: Tried asking to lodge a 'hit-n-run' case with Amk's NPC, but got a warning instead. All bcoz I told them: "The driver did get out of e vehicle to tk a look, but went off w/o any particulars left behind. However, I did take a snap of e Cayenna's license plate." They insisted tat it isnt a hit-n-run case since e driver did stopped at e scene. I cant lodge an accident report either, juz bcoz there isnt any injuries. =(

since it hit ur pillion legs, go see a doc, "persuade" him for 3 days mc min

 

next go idac and go claim ur sidebox and submit the mc to them

 

den next, go to tp

 

take note the 3 day mc is rather crucial to ur tp case if u decide to take up any

[SpeedlimiT]

call up that person again.. see if he is willing to compensate you. If your box is badly hit and his car has deep scratches that means the driver was driving at a fast speed on a minor road. Moreover, he hitted you from the back. So who will be in the wrong/liable?

 

btw, did you take a photo of his car damages?

[Demon]

Originally posted by ah_tee@Feb 23 2006, 09:14 AM

Still the Cayenna hit hard, straight at my right sidebox, merely missing my pillion's leg by inches

 

since it hit ur pillion legs, go see a doc, "persuade" him for 3 days mc min

from sky_vinz's account, there was no bodily contact so how obtain 3 days MC ? Our TPs investigate thousands of traffic incidents, they can smell a rat miles away. If your account is inconsistent with the physical evidence, you further reduce your claim success.

 

 

 

[adhlk]

Originally posted by Demon@Feb 23 2006, 09:37 AM

from sky_vinz's account, there was no bodily contact so how obtain 3 days MC ? Our TPs investigate thousands of traffic incidents, they can smell a rat miles away. If your account is inconsistent with the physical evidence, you further reduce your claim success.

 

 

 

Brother Sky-Vinz, you must decide what you want and intend to achieve.

 

Do you want a claim from that guy who knocks you?

2 ways:

Legally, file a polic report like what you did, get MC, get the insurance claim...it will take months before you get your money. In addition, his car is posche, and yrs Made in Thailand Phantom....if he claim yr insurance, next yr your premium will go up like crazy.....Trust me....I know.

 

Illegally, get people to find out details of this guy since you hv his registration plate. Gather a few people, confrom him at his address and demand compensation.

 

I suspected that the car doesn't belong to him....so he also scare liao.....

 

Before you confront him, make sure you got video camera with you so you can record down the entire situation, if not he claim that you threaten him and call police to catch you.

 

You can decide to forget the entire incident and get on with your life....Either way, this is your decision.......

[2_wheeler]

read this..

[hart]

wtf sia~!

 

can refuse to give particulars?! lidat everyone can put on fake number plate (esp drivers), hit someone, come down from the car, see the poor fella die liao anot.. then anyhow give a hp number then move off.. and the rider lan lan, AND IT WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED AS HIT AND RUN~ WTF~!

[fusionzone]

Agree with hart too, best is the guy wanna run let him run off when the ROV or TP come just say he hit me i fall and he run. This will give him a nice one. Get well soon vinz.

 

Regards

Andy

[Tyrian]

should have taken off his keys from the engine to prevent him from moving off..

 

[sky_vinz]

Dear fellow riders, sincere thanks for all e response n advice. Let me reply one by one. =)

 

VteCFreaK: You recommend me to claim insurance for my sidebox?

 

ganman: I've read tat article. My case didnt fall under any of those, thus I couldnt lodge any complains even though I made a trip down to a NPC. Do we hav to pay for lodging a road accident report to TP's traffic violations dept?

 

kinwei: I did try to delay his time, but he simply rushed into his Cayenna n left. E best I could do was to at least get his mobile no.

 

[R]eplica: E NPC I went to already warn me tat it isnt a hit-n-run case. Sigh.

 

katana777: Even if there's witness, few ppl will come forward I tink. Plus currently I dun hav e means to reach out to those witnesses. N my case isnt even classified as a road accident. -,-"

 

Demon: True, thus I'm considering hard whether to bite my lips n forget it or not. I'm insisting on reporting to e TP's traffic violations dept though..

 

ViciousKitty74: Yea, am planning to do it now. There's no way I'm gonna let tis driver get off w/o any apologies or compensation. Not letting him tk it for granted..

 

ah_tee: My pillion juz checked last nite, there isnt any visible bruise. Thus I guess it's hard to get any MC. However for e IDAC, is it avail for all bikes under any insurance company? I tried calling them last nite, n upon telling them tat I'm under Mitsui Insurance (bought by bike shop), they told me tat Mitsui is out of e IDAC scheme already. =( I'm not sure if I can head down IDAC n carry on e plan for claiming from e driver's insurance.

 

SpeedlimiT: Sadly, I didnt get any chance to tk down a pic of his bumper's deep scratches. My sidebox suffered scratches too, n e lock's out of place. Will try calling him to ask for private settlement, else a report to TP's traffic violations dept.. I was real upset wif tis particular driver, for colliding wif me from e rear n yet act as though nth happened.

 

adhlk: Thks bro adhlk, am still considering. Anyway I nv treated drivers of Porsche differently from drivers of Asian cars. It's e mentality of e drivers I c, not e value of e car.

 

2_wheeler: Do u suggest anything for me to do now?

 

hart: Tis is how Sg Police works wif their own regulations. I shall no further comment on any issues- sensitive.

 

fusionzone: Thks Andy, I'm physically alright, but mentally unwell bcoz of tis irresponsible driver. Juz my luck.

[sky_vinz]

Tyrian: I tried stopping him from closing his driver's door, but to tink of it, I may b commiting a crime myself. Thus I chose to step back instead of landing myself into deeper trouble.

[sky_vinz]

Referring to e below thread by Andy, is it possible tat i send an accident report to Traffic Investigations Branch thru email too?

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....opic=57430&st=0

[shijie22]

the best thing u can do is go down asap to a local police station and file and hit and run report to the station, they will give u the accident form and ask u to fill up, and eventually the other party will have to do it as well, and when that is done, the tp will step into in and issue a summon or something, its a good thing u take down the plate number, do take down the damages on ur bike as well, no matter how small it is.. its prove for the tp to probe further, trust me, dont let this driver got scott free, might end up hitting someone else..

[sky_vinz]

shijie22: Thks for ur advice. I've tried asking to lodge a 'hit-n-run' case with Amk's NPC, but got a warning instead. All bcoz I told them: "The driver did get out of e vehicle to tk a look, but went off w/o any particulars left behind. However, I did take a snap of e Cayenna's license plate." They insisted tat it isnt a hit-n-run case since e driver did stopped at e scene. I cant lodge an accident report either, juz bcoz there isnt any injuries. =(

[wolfang]

hi,

 

sorry to hear that u got a accident with the porche.

 

Jus to clarify with u,,..

 

AMK NPC said u cant lodged police report as that is not hit and run,

no injuries, and other factors...

As u have said, u r not in any of the circumstances.

 

u can lodged a police report, but ..... it can be consider as record purpose

as it serve no purpose. this report can be used to sustain ur claim through

ur insurance agent, but hardly stands..

 

i myself involve in a lorry cut in my lane and i bo bian jus siam and pengz, but,,.... no injuried as i jus throw the bike away.. lodged police report no use as no contact..

 

now lawyer fight case... 50 50/// life is like tat