Honda Blackbird CBR1100 XX

[anodise57]

ripe old age hahahahha

 

...... hmmmmmm Fri ah....

 

Whats the appropriate runing distance and oil change ah.. can help out here???? I got diff feedback.....current technology for engine is into precision engineering....... so doing a hard run in is not that bad right?

[paul mai]

manual recommends 500km run-in, I'd rather stick to manual.

[lightspeed]

Originally posted by anodise57@Oct 26 2005, 08:00 PM

ripe old age hahahahha

 

...... hmmmmmm Fri ah....

 

Whats the appropriate runing distance and oil change ah.. can help out here???? I got diff feedback.....current technology for engine is into precision engineering....... so doing a hard run in is not that bad right?

if you ask this ppl here, you will never get yr answer. But for sure, you will become more confuse. Do your reading and believe what you feel is correct. For me, after reading few articles, if I'm were you, I will choose the Hard break in. Y? I also dun know, just that I more convince with their method. Anyway, they do show the effect in dyno test. Most important you can whack your bike sooner. Unless you feel comfortable moving at 60km/hr at 3rd lane..... your choice man.

 

But 1 thing, pls do proper one. If not, i think .... mean i think lah... it will cause more damage to internal surface, but it not something that you can feel obviously. They will never be an exact engine that you can do a comparison.

 

About 1st or 2nd hand bike, its your choice too. Anyway, as Paul suggest good to gain experience from 2nd hand bike.

 

Or maybe we should not tell you anything unless you come this Friday (he he, joking only). Come lah bro, lets know each other.

[paul mai]

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[josean]

hondas are not good in the electrical deparment...

[paul mai]

Dom, where u get your lee hsien loong caricature?

[anodise57]

Originally posted by lightspeed@Oct 26 2005, 09:26 PM

if you ask this ppl here, you will never get yr answer. But for sure, you will become more confuse. Do your reading and believe what you feel is correct. For me, after reading few articles, if I'm were you, I will choose the Hard break in. Y? I also dun know, just that I more convince with their method. Anyway, they do show the effect in dyno test. Most important you can whack your bike sooner. Unless you feel comfortable moving at 60km/hr at 3rd lane..... your choice man.

 

But 1 thing, pls do proper one. If not, i think .... mean i think lah... it will cause more damage to internal surface, but it not something that you can feel obviously. They will never be an exact engine that you can do a comparison.

 

About 1st or 2nd hand bike, its your choice too. Anyway, as Paul suggest good to gain experience from 2nd hand bike.

 

Or maybe we should not tell you anything unless you come this Friday (he he, joking only). Come lah bro, lets know each other.

Ur bird found a new owner already? I think i might turn up.. ask more questions... hehehehhe thanks!

[Guest R1szuan]

Originally posted by josean@Oct 27 2005, 12:08 AM

hondas are not good in the electrical deparment...

are you sure? where you get the facts from?

[paul mai]

Originally posted by R1szuan@Oct 27 2005, 10:14 AM

are you sure? where you get the facts from?

Boss, i believe rectifier and coil are in the "electrical" department?

 

And I'll tell u something else. I was at the mechanic's 2 weeks ago and I saw a

 

Perhaps we should be discussing "quality" issues rather than electrical problems.

[josean]

Originally posted by R1szuan@Oct 27 2005, 10:14 AM

are you sure? where you get the facts from?

super4s/blackbirds coils fried easily ... how many of your super 4 frens changed their rectifiers already ?

 

compare this to the number of suzuki riders who changed coils/rectifiers.

 

 

to date, i have never seen a suzuki coil and rec kena fried.

thus my assumption.

 

 

no bike maker will ever claim that they are lousy in a partitular department.

 

thats why i prefer to stock up a spare rectifier in case of emergency

[anodise57]

Originally posted by josean@Oct 27 2005, 12:08 AM

hondas are not good in the electrical deparment...

I only hear my mechanic say BB's electrical troubleshooting.... if follow according to manual.. hard to find root cause.... relatively Haya is easier.... eg... e1-e2 or e3 .. if trace then find ... walla! settle.. BB's .... a bit like maze.. hahahha

 

ANYWAY... Fri... i new bird... maybe will turn up for a chat.... Donno who's there that i know of.. er.... Is Sir Romeo around here??? hahahhaha Speedjpop? or... who else.......

[paul mai]

frens,

 

Hornets are meeting this Friday 830pm at Ritz Corner @ Bugis there. I will drop by both places hee hee.

 

Are you guys interested to join the hornets? just a short ride away leh. we all meet at Ritz Corner. There got power Strawberry strudel and Chio Bus to see

 

On a not?

 

I will try to post in the other forum too

 

 

Ernie out

[anodise57]

wa seh...... cHio Buss.......... last time see all S4 going out chio.... now i think all Birdies... LAGI BEST!!!! OUCh... its ganna be quite a scene.... ---+a wave... ops...

[lightspeed]

Originally posted by paul mai@Oct 27 2005, 01:46 PM

frens,

 

Hornets are meeting this Friday 830pm at Ritz Corner @ Bugis there. I will drop by both places hee hee.

 

Are you guys interested to join the hornets? just a short ride away leh. we all meet at Ritz Corner. There got power Strawberry strudel and Chio Bus to see

 

On a not?

 

I will try to post in the other forum too

 

 

Ernie out

maybe we meet at ktm first. they stay there until what time? maybe we can move off later and meet there or somewhere else.

[Guest R1szuan]

Originally posted by josean@Oct 27 2005, 12:16 PM

super4s/blackbirds coils fried easily ... how many of your super 4 frens changed their rectifiers already ?

 

compare this to the number of suzuki riders who changed coils/rectifiers.

 

 

to date, i have never seen a suzuki coil and rec kena fried.

thus my assumption.

 

 

no bike maker will ever claim that they are lousy in a partitular department.

 

thats why i prefer to stock up a spare rectifier in case of emergency

there is DIFFERENCE in Quality and Flaw Design...

 

You can have poor quality with TOP NOTCH design

You can have good quailty but with Poor design.

 

So which is which u talking about now?? Honda Quality Control is poor or those person who sit behind the computer and squeeze thier brain juices for you ppl to ride bike see see is the partying fault?

 

Dont talk about other.. How bout yours?? Have you had your rectifier fried or some electrical part problem??

 

And Since you say honda are not good in thier design.. have you taken them to court for the FLaw in what you have mention not good in their electrical design?

 

to date, i have never seen a suzuki coil and rec kena fried.

thus my assumption.

 

your assumption is views...so does it give you a benefit to say hondas are not good in electrical dept?

 

 

no bike maker will ever claim that they are lousy in a partitular department.

 

then you making the assumption here or something else? Remember DEfamation act can work on what you post here.

 

i am in no way support honda or working for honda. i just want to know how you get the facts, details, info and result from. If it is credible and sustainbale.. then i will agreed with you to a certain extent. But it id base on your own judgement and hearsay from ppl.. then i suggest you may want to rethink on what you may have say. it may cost you arms and leg if honda co were to see your posting.

[Guest R1szuan]

Originally posted by paul mai@Oct 27 2005, 10:38 AM

Boss, i believe rectifier and coil are in the "electrical" department?

 

And I'll tell u something else. I was at the mechanic's 2 weeks ago and I saw a

 

Perhaps we should be discussing "quality" issues rather than electrical problems.

[josean]

Originally posted by R1szuan@Oct 27 2005, 07:40 PM

there is DIFFERENCE in Quality and Flaw Design...

 

You can have poor quality with TOP NOTCH design

You can have good quailty but with Poor design.

 

So which is which u talking about now?? Honda Quality Control is poor or those person who sit behind the computer and squeeze thier brain juices for you ppl to ride bike see see is the partying fault?

 

Dont talk about other.. How bout yours?? Have you had your rectifier fried or some electrical part problem??

 

And Since you say honda are not good in thier design.. have you taken them to court for the FLaw in what you have mention not good in their electrical design?

 

to date, i have never seen a suzuki coil and rec kena fried.

thus my assumption.

 

your assumption is views...so does it give you a benefit to say hondas are not good in electrical dept?

 

 

no bike maker will ever claim that they are lousy in a partitular department.

 

then you making the assumption here or something else? Remember DEfamation act can work on what you post here.

 

i am in no way support honda or working for honda. i just want to know how you get the facts, details, info and result from. If it is credible and sustainbale.. then i will agreed with you to a certain extent. But it id base on your own judgement and hearsay from ppl.. then i suggest you may want to rethink on what you may have say. it may cost you arms and leg if honda co were to see your posting.

thanks for your advice.

 

 

i have my coil fried once already.

 

another bb owner that i know of has his rectifier changed 3 times in a year.

 

thus, i comment based on what i know.

[lightspeed]

3 times in a year... that something wrong with the bike. did you friend mendle with any electrical system? add wiring or lights on the bike. seem that changing the RR just solve yr friend problem for temporary. the actual problems lies with the bike wiring system, that slowly fried his RR. guess it might be contributed by the wire harnes short circuit or the coil. did he change coil before that or any mech troubleshooting the electrical. maybe want to check the resistence of each coil using the service manual.

 

read somewhere by enhancing the ground to the RR also improve a lot, it similar to adding grounding cable to the bike. anyway, no facts on this, not that i know.

[anodise57]

Wa seh... si beh headache sia! really so much Electrical problem de ah.. kaoz....... a bit having 2nd thoughts.. .

then again.. what bike have no problems? hmmmm

[misterbean]

Originally posted by lightspeed@Oct 27 2005, 06:48 PM

maybe we meet at ktm first. they stay there until what time? maybe we can move off later and meet there or somewhere else.

See you guys at KTM 2100 hrs ... if change venue, drop me an sms

[paul mai]

The hornets are leaving abt 1030pm for petrol run lor

[paul mai]

Originally posted by lightspeed@Oct 28 2005, 01:18 AM

3 times in a year... that something wrong with the bike. did you friend mendle with any electrical system? add wiring or lights on the bike. seem that changing the RR just solve yr friend problem for temporary. the actual problems lies with the bike wiring system, that slowly fried his RR. guess it might be contributed by the wire harnes short circuit or the coil. did he change coil before that or any mech troubleshooting the electrical. maybe want to check the resistence of each coil using the service manual. okay

 

read somewhere by enhancing the ground to the RR also improve a lot, it similar to adding grounding cable to the bike. anyway, no facts on this, not that i know.

I read that coil problems are caused by unevenly distributed current along the wires of the coil resulting in different heat concentration spots. These eventually result in pitting of the wires, and the breakdown of the coil.

 

I believe the location of the coil is important too, becos heat generated from the engine will accelerate the pitting of the wires too.

 

Perhaps this is a design-AND-quality issue with Honda?

[paul mai]

Originally posted by lightspeed@Oct 28 2005, 01:18 AM

3 times in a year... that something wrong with the bike. did you friend mendle with any electrical system? add wiring or lights on the bike. seem that changing the RR just solve yr friend problem for temporary. the actual problems lies with the bike wiring system, that slowly fried his RR. guess it might be contributed by the wire harnes short circuit or the coil. did he change coil before that or any mech troubleshooting the electrical. maybe want to check the resistence of each coil using the service manual.

 

read somewhere by enhancing the ground to the RR also improve a lot, it similar to adding grounding cable to the bike. anyway, no facts on this, not that i know.

it makes sense that grounding the RR helps, cos the load as seen from the 3-phase coming from the coil will be more balanced right?

[it wasnt me]

Meeting place: KTM Railway Station Along Keppel Road

Date: 28/10/05

Time: 2100 hrs

Attire: Bird Polo Tees

 

Bring yr passports, can join the Hornets for a petrol run via Tuas

[lightspeed]

Originally posted by anodise57@Oct 28 2005, 09:31 AM

Wa seh... si beh headache sia! really so much Electrical problem de ah.. kaoz....... a bit having 2nd thoughts.. .

then again.. what bike have no problems? hmmmm

i think it is isolate case. do you think honda just keep numb about it if it really a problem? but lot of rider chnage to compitable model of RR, as it is cheaper too. but nor in spore i believe... he he... maybe i'm wrong.