Class 2B Before Class 3 is a MUST !

[NC35]

revenge is always a sadist.

[revenge]

i not sadist l0r..... u masosadist

[NC35]

u are lor. dun paiseh to deny.

[revenge]

pls, u off topic lia0, back to topic pls

[NC35]

after you sir.

[revenge]

TCSS is alright... just a reminder

[NC35]

thanks for ur reminder. very blur alr.

[madboi]

yah yun, pls be more cautious with ur postings. thanks

[revenge]

thanks for the brief comments madboi

[NC35]

yah yun, pls be more cautious with ur postings. thanks

 

plz post relevant stuffs... all these posting are deem as post clocking.. back to topic plz. thanks.

[irvworm]

William's got a good idea with a 1 year smaller cc Class 3 licence, although with an automatic upgrade, that'll likely lead to people getting their licence, and sitting on it for a year before buying the car they want (assuming that's bigger than the 1 yr max). Probably going for test at Year 2 won't be a bad idea.

 

Let's see if we can agree on a few things.

i) There's good and bad drivers, there's good and bad riders.

ii) A badly driven car'll likely endanger more people (inside and outside the vehicle) than a speeding bike.

iii) A big cc bike is likely tougher to handle for an inexperienced rider, than a big cc car is for an inexperienced driver.

iv) A big cc bike is no more difficult to handle for an experienced rider, than a big cc car is for an experienced driver.

v) There are more drivers than riders.

vi) Skill can be improved upon with training. Attitude's far harder for authorities to regulate.

 

Like Pplater, I doubt its practical to require drivers to ride before they can drive, even though it'd probably help. On the flip side, I think it'd greatly help riders to have a Class 3 before getting their Class 2B so they understand driver mentality towards bikes a little better and hopefully ride more defensively. Not that this should be a rule either.

 

Some countries like the UK have bike licences based on power. This seems to make more sense than classification based on cc, since you could probably get a 2 stroker that makes twice the power of an equivalent four stroke.

 

To simplify and make things more equitable, I'd suggest cars and bikes should have 2 grades of licences based on power. To upgrade from a restricted licence, at some point the driver / rider should have to go for another test and additional lessons as necessary. The system of 3 grades of bike licence is antiquated and doesn't fit well with manufacturers or other countries' systems. The system of one Class 3 doesn't adequately protect the interests of other road users eg. pedestrians, cyclists, other vehicles.

[irvworm]

Correction, what I meant was...

 

"ii) A badly driven car'll likely endanger more people (inside and outside the vehicle) than a badly ridden bike."

[ThePole]

Hi all

 

I have an even better idea, cos not all ppl will agree to this and the chance of this being passed is slim.

 

Here's a better way:

 

I think blackboxes are available for lorries and buses. P-plate drivers must install blackbox for 1 year, subject to review every 6 months. TP then assign weightages on various offences. If these new drivers can achieve the minimum requirements, then they will be granted the license, else back to school.

 

Having blackboxes will also help to resolve accidents when there are excuses such as 'i dun noe it was not my light(???)', 'he run and bang into my car(???)', 'honestly, i can only cry and having nightmares' blah blah blah.

[fruitz]

Negetive on the 'black box' idea! This is a catch-22 situation where the P-plate holder needs road experience to improve but cant get road experience unless he/she has a license.

One thing you might not have realised is that few people on the road drive by the rules which the P-plate riders learnt in school. The only ones who really do follow are the L-plate and P-plate... or those with 18+ demerit points. When the P-plate driver starts seeing that nobody gives way but instead gets honked at for that, automatically he/she realises that one has got to be tough on the road and ignore rules like speed limit/stop-line and more. From then on, its when they think there are no real rules to follow and limits are to be tested.

 

And if the issue is about avoiding accidents, then EVERYONE should have a black box and not just the P-plate drivers whom extraordinary patience w/ a honk is required for them to learn the 'street' rules.

[MS]

guys guys....u all really think gahment will allow staggered drivers liscense or 'class2b before class 3" meh?

 

as mentioned, this will definitely put off many ppl (who hate or scared of bikes) to obtain a liscense. THUS, fewer ppl getting liscence is inline with Govtment's policy of fewe cars on the road But what will Gahment earn when all the p platers all buy 1 litre cars?

iz money, money money. introducin this system will result in lower COE earned by LTA. dun think the snobs up there will approve of it.

 

Come on... do you have to be that brutally honest?

[SNapEl]

Getting a person to do class 2b b4 class 3 is not practical. What if that person doesn't know how to cycle... how to balance on a bike like that...

 

I will rather have a staggered class 3 like in earlier posts.

 

The lesser the amount of power in a newbie driver's hands, the less likely for them to lose control. Lower speed when pedal crazy, shorter braking distance, lesser damage when an accident occurs.

[proradar1]

another easier way wld b incorporating how drivers can be very dangerous to riders (accidents) in the video shown after getting class 3 lic. it was compulsory to watch a video showing car accidents when in i was in cdc , nt sure abt other driving centres...

[FuLL of SoRRoW]

Getting a person to do class 2b b4 class 3 is not practical. What if that person doesn't know how to cycle... how to balance on a bike like that...

 

I will rather have a staggered class 3 like in earlier posts.

 

The lesser the amount of power in a newbie driver's hands, the less likely for them to lose control. Lower speed when pedal crazy, shorter braking distance, lesser damage when an accident occurs.

 

 

why is it not practical..??

when i took my license...

i didnt know how to balance myself on a bicycle..

after i pass my 2b then did i started cycling...

 

and i took my class 3 after 2b...

[sops]

Some people not that intelligent in the motor skills department mah. Ask them ride bike? Not only need to balance, need to manipulate the controls, see the road, anticipate. May not benefit other people. Plus, a lot of drivers never have the intention to ride. They just want to drive. It's unfair to them to waste time and money to get their class 3 licence.

 

By the way, I've got no class 3 licence (only passed FTT, dun wanna spare the cash for the prac). New rider by the way, and gosh, it's like being thrown in the ocean when I first started riding on my own a few months back. A lot of drivers don't give way even when I flashed my signal and once, a car, instead of slowing down, sped up when I was about to change lane (the car was like 50-80metres behind..). I had to cross the chevron in order to get into the expressway filter lane!

 

I do have to agree that driver's have to be educated about how motorcycles work. Dynamics of riding and limitations (i.e. when cornering left, got once a car tried overtaking my right side at the bridge connecting east coast park to marine parade as the road's quite wide). What if I speed up and got "pushed" to the right due to centrifugal force? and that we require longer braking distance as it's a bit more dangerous when we do sudden braking. I got horned and hi-beamed coz of this before and some cars even cut into my "safe distance".. haiz.. we have to ride thinking that all the vehicles out there out to get us.. but drivers have to do their part too la..

[sops]

Opps double posting.. and well on the upperhand, taking 2b before class 3 will definitely help. especially theory. haha

[eedwinn]

Do you guys think getting class 2b before class 3 helps one in knowing how to control the car better?

 

Going for my first class3 practical tomorrow and I'm excited!

[newcomer]

yea agree. when i was in bbdc everyday i see SYTs learning driving i wonder when they graduate can they drive safely? yea guess i'm biased against female drivers in general.

[Dafanshu]

Riding bike is more tough than driving car... any mistake can result in injury easily and even death.

[Dino Bravo]

I agree that a driver should go through what a rider experience so as to understand better.

But to make compulsary 2B before CL3 is not practical.

Perhaps they should go through a session or two riding as pillion with an instructor. And get to experience what its like from a rider's view.

Lastly, no matter how many kinds of structured training and such,

ITS THE DRIVER'S MENTALITY that contributes to it all.

 

Cheers

[Honda_Xr4]

i agree with both the 'get 2b license first b4 being allowed taking class 3' and 'split class 3 into stages just like bike license'.

 

in fact,i've send an email regarding this issue to TP, but apparently nothing is being done...