Handling of bigger Bikes

[jepang]

 

After almost 7 months taking 2A at ssdc, i still failed the test for 2nd time.

I believe, my poor handling of the bike that had make me perform poorly on almost every courses.

 

I had go for so many revision but still unable to improve on my handling of the bike.

 

Hope for some tips from this forum......

[Binteng]

 

After almost 7 months taking 2A at ssdc, i still failed the test for 2nd time.

I believe, my poor handling of the bike that had make me perform poorly on almost every courses.

 

I had go for so many revision but still unable to improve on my handling of the bike.

 

Hope for some tips from this forum......

 

mind telling which course u didnt do well ? i might able to help .. =D

[onlyyou]

Ai yo bro,It is as simple as how u control a class 2b bike&transfer e skill to class 2a bike.

[jepang]

mind telling which course u didnt do well ? i might able to help .. =D

 

Pylon slalom-7 secs

fig 8-12+secs

plank-most of the time shaky

bumpy-unstable always

 

others

wobble when move off/stopping

wide turning

[danielling1981]

My opinion only.

 

2b and 2a main diff got 3. Weight, size, power. dun think is a major problem but rather just ur handling of e bike in a few ways. hope u can try e below points and feedback if it is helpful.

 

1) be e wary of throttle. E school 2a bike is at least 200cc bigger than watever 2b bike u r riding. Thus u ve to adjust ur wrist control during lessons. U can twist ur own bike throttle anyway u like but as long as u r in e school, learn to gently open ur throttle.

 

Try this during ur next revision, in neutral gear, VERY gently twist ur throttle SLIGHTLY. U should be able to feel e power even t a very slight twist. Next engage gear 1 and half clutch and do e same.

 

2) wobble while moving off. This is related to (1). When u do not control e throttle gently, when u twist + biting point follow by releasing/throw clutch, e full 400cc will come at u and ur bike will jerk. Due to lack of experience, naturally u will wobble. So get ur throttle control right first.

 

3) size and weight of bike. E school bike will likely be bigger than most 2b bike. For e size, it wont affect ur riding much, in fact e bigger tank for ur legs to grip can improve ur riding.

 

As for e weight, ve to take note too. For most of e courses, u can use e weight of e bike to assist. In 2b, often we ve to push e bike down. In 2a, most of e time, just a slight push and e bike will go down. So again lack of experience will make u worry. Thus for e courses u will need more practice.

 

4) practice. figure 8, e cones. Practice this 2 courses more if u can. For plank, u ve to refer to point 1 again. Throttle control.

 

Once again i emphasize, throttle control very impt. If u wobble, likely it is due to throttle rather than any other reasons. Then before any courses, u will ve to stop and wait for command to MOVE OFF. So if move off wobble, u will enter e course less confidently and also ur bike may not be fully under control. Thus poor timing. Even in e course ur throttle control also plays a big part.

[jepang]

My opinion only.

 

2b and 2a main diff got 3. Weight, size, power. dun think is a major problem but rather just ur handling of e bike in a few ways. hope u can try e below points and feedback if it is helpful.

 

1) be e wary of throttle. E school 2a bike is at least 200cc bigger than watever 2b bike u r riding. Thus u ve to adjust ur wrist control during lessons. U can twist ur own bike throttle anyway u like but as long as u r in e school, learn to gently open ur throttle.

 

Try this during ur next revision, in neutral gear, VERY gently twist ur throttle SLIGHTLY. U should be able to feel e power even t a very slight twist. Next engage gear 1 and half clutch and do e same.

 

2) wobble while moving off. This is related to (1). When u do not control e throttle gently, when u twist + biting point follow by releasing/throw clutch, e full 400cc will come at u and ur bike will jerk. Due to lack of experience, naturally u will wobble. So get ur throttle control right first.

 

3) size and weight of bike. E school bike will likely be bigger than most 2b bike. For e size, it wont affect ur riding much, in fact e bigger tank for ur legs to grip can improve ur riding.

 

As for e weight, ve to take note too. For most of e courses, u can use e weight of e bike to assist. In 2b, often we ve to push e bike down. In 2a, most of e time, just a slight push and e bike will go down. So again lack of experience will make u worry. Thus for e courses u will need more practice.

 

4) practice. figure 8, e cones. Practice this 2 courses more if u can. For plank, u ve to refer to point 1 again. Throttle control.

 

Once again i emphasize, throttle control very impt. If u wobble, likely it is due to throttle rather than any other reasons. Then before any courses, u will ve to stop and wait for command to MOVE OFF. So if move off wobble, u will enter e course less confidently and also ur bike may not be fully under control. Thus poor timing. Even in e course ur throttle control also plays a big part.

 

thanks bro for the tips. will do it.

[Muge]

Where are you taking your 2A. At cdc their bike is only 250cc.

Anyway another important point for me is to be confident and brave when handling bike even if the size is not familiar to you.

Don't be too cautious when you do your revision. This will get you better time specially in figure 8 and pylon.

Good luck to you. Do Not give up.

[danielling1981]

Where are you taking your 2A. At cdc their bike is only 250cc.

Anyway another important point for me is to be confident and brave when handling bike even if the size is not familiar to you.

Don't be too cautious when you do your revision. This will get you better time specially in figure 8 and pylon.

Good luck to you. Do Not give up.

 

Oh didnt noe. Took 2a many year back at kakit bukit. Was e yamaha 400cc. Then read in another thread on schools tat they using revo. Bad assumption on my part.

 

Ya dun give up. More practice

[duo]

Oh didnt noe. Took 2a many year back at kakit bukit. Was e yamaha 400cc. Then read in another thread on schools tat they using revo. Bad assumption on my part.

 

Ya dun give up. More practice

Heard they using YBR 250. Back then I took it was the XJR. I feel its not really safe that now they are handling a 250 but when pass they will get a 400. As I have seen many actually drop the XJR while taking lessons back then and these people commented the bike was so heavy.

[jepang]

I took at ssdc. the s4 revo is too fast. really really must have good control on it.

[fx]

why not ask instructor how to improve, practical is easier to grasp than words typed here..

on that note, try improve on throttle/brake/clutch sweet spot.. have u tried looking ahead instead of looking down? just glance while maneuvering to stay on course..

 

hth

[Binteng]

Pylon slalom-7 secs

fig 8-12+secs

plank-most of the time shaky

bumpy-unstable always

 

others

wobble when move off/stopping

wide turning

 

Main this is..you have to be confident with yourself. You don't tell yourself very hard , you have to tell yourself as if this revo is your own bike, under your own control..

I have to be honest that riding from class 2a bike to class 2b is really one different level...power is totally on different cat..

 

pylon salom & fig 8 .. u really have to boost your confident n your throttle control..

 

about the plank..when u set off the line, go abit faster, when you reach 1/4 of the plank.. tap your rear brake to slow down.. should be able to pass below 8sec ... oh ya .. grip your fuel tank and look far !

 

about bumpy , half standing posture but dont lock all your joint .. free yourself abit and let your body go with the flow of the course ..gear 1 , look far..

 

wobble when moving off/stopping.. go and stop like how you ride your bike ?

 

Most of all BE CONFIDENT IN YOURSELF !

 

( all suggestion above come from my personal experience .. dont bomb me .. ty )

[danielling1981]

@jepang. Lol. Revo too fast. Well i do agree too fast for e circuit. ^^

 

@Binteng. just my opinion but although i agree to ride with confidence, i disagree to ride e revo like its ur bike. Truthfully ask urself, if we were to ride in e test like how we ride outside, will we pass? Some yes, but i suspect many of us will get demerits for going too fast, too fast pick up, etc even if we dun wobble. Not to mention we will also ve hard braking and such symptoms.

 

But instead, ride it like it is ur fren's bike. Again i think a fair number of riders do test out fren's bike and it is illegal. Usually e 1st few rounds, we will be cautious, be gentle with e bike, make sure roads clear, etc. Basically we dun wack e bike. But with our own bikes, it is diff. Maybe u dun wack ur bike (open throttle hard) but many do.

 

Ur suggestions on e various courses i think all good. But he move off also will wobble. High chance throttle ok = everything ok.

 

@jepang. So e other post ve mention ride confidently. But my opinion is ride e bike with care. And again i suggest tat u take note of ur throttle control.

 

Do test things out and feedback.

[Binteng]

@jepang. Lol. Revo too fast. Well i do agree too fast for e circuit. ^^

 

@Binteng. just my opinion but although i agree to ride with confidence, i disagree to ride e revo like its ur bike. Truthfully ask urself, if we were to ride in e test like how we ride outside, will we pass? Some yes, but i suspect many of us will get demerits for going too fast, too fast pick up, etc even if we dun wobble. Not to mention we will also ve hard braking and such symptoms.

 

But instead, ride it like it is ur fren's bike. Again i think a fair number of riders do test out fren's bike and it is illegal. Usually e 1st few rounds, we will be cautious, be gentle with e bike, make sure roads clear, etc. Basically we dun wack e bike. But with our own bikes, it is diff. Maybe u dun wack ur bike (open throttle hard) but many do.

 

Ur suggestions on e various courses i think all good. But he move off also will wobble. High chance throttle ok = everything ok.

 

@jepang. So e other post ve mention ride confidently. But my opinion is ride e bike with care. And again i suggest tat u take note of ur throttle control.

 

Do test things out and feedback.

 

 

No worry sir .. maybe i need to rephrase my sentence .. " treat the revo like you just bought a new 2a bike or just like your own beloved bike.. treat it like parts of you =D "

This is what i mean .. haha

[danielling1981]

No worry sir .. maybe i need to rephrase my sentence .. " treat the revo like you just bought a new 2a bike or just like your own beloved bike.. treat it like parts of you =D "

This is what i mean .. haha

 

Maybe me only. But sometime right hand will itchy and twist more. But fren bike always very careful. Side stand kick slowly, lift leg over bike careful, etc. ^^ same goes for throttle. Own bike some time twist max. Fren bike never. Lol

[Metal Gear]

Try gripping the tank with your knees in fig 8 and plank. The instructor told me that way back when i took my 2b and i find it useful for class 2a and 2. it really helps to turn the bike to where you want it to go and keep the bike stable.

[cougar]

Be prepared to clear the obstacle, visualise it, dont think about falling. If you've cleared it smoothly before, you already know how to do it, just your fear of falling makes you forget your body instinct which already knows what to do, but your fear cause you to make mistake.

[kelena]

Be prepared to clear the obstacle, visualise it, dont think about falling. If you've cleared it smoothly before, you already know how to do it, just your fear of falling makes you forget your body instinct which already knows what to do, but your fear cause you to make mistake.

 

I'd like to "like" this post.

I just went for my first 2A lesson. Had a hard time with plank. However, I found a way to do it easier: stop at a distance further away from the white line. That would leave you with more distance to get your throttle and half-clutch movement easier; even a 1-1.5m distance is enough to "feel".

However, being not really used to the power and throttle sensitivity of the revo, I came off the plank twice.

Henceforth, I made a conscious effort just to turn the throttle very very gently, gripped the tank and managed to get pass the plank on the 3rd try. I told myself that if I'm able to do it once, I can do it again.

Things will definitely get better the more you do it.

For slalom, it's true that you dont have to push the bike down, just grip the tank, turn slightly and LOOK where you are going. Chances are you'll go where you look. Tried it and it works for me.

Point to note that during my 2B, the plank and the slalom are my worst subjects. But they aren't anymore.

All in all, be confident and not too fearful. Fear f**k things up pretty badly, IMHO

Well, I passed the first lesson. I believe from zero knowledge (as in fresh into 2A, first lesson), everything else is a bonus, since you cant be more "fresh" right?

 

So TS, it's all about the mindset. No doubt it sucks to fail the lesson, but good things will come to those who persevere.

 

For me, I simply stopped fearing.

[s4dreamer]

Fear not! And I simply agree with what kelena said... "good things will come to those who persevere"

 

One thing you can do is to look far, it will help you to balance better on the plank. As for S-course, I look at 2 points. At the entrance, look at the middle section. When you start moving off, look at the exit point.

[Idono]

Some personal tips

 

1. Preserve - Also, my own experience teach me that Class 2A is a bigger jump from Class 2B than say Class 2. So yes, getting my 2A is the tougher of the 3 licence

 

2. Find a personal rhythm - I had my fair share of advice from many instructors. End of day, find your own method of passing all the courses. You can try out all the various advice and find what works for you. I can share some of my methods below

 

Get a strong move-off is critical for me, and i will kick 2nd gear before entering or if confident of clutch, while about to turn in. I will treat the 1st turn-in as like part of the figure of 8 turns. So essentially, i'm already in the mindset of entering a series of turns at the 1st turn. Then I'll keep throttle on and use rear brakes to control speed. this is impt for 2A bikes because throttle is too powerful to allow fine control. Keep practicing till you can do rear brake control at high speed and bank hard! Figure of 8 is one of my best course. The only issue I have is my habit to clutch in at exit and just roll the bike. Some instructors take points off for doing that. Not sure why.

 

this is one of my more unsteady course. The method I finally use is not orthodox. Like figure of 8, I will kick 2nd gear at turn and a lot of times, just free wheel the bike with clutch in till I reach the straight. You can immediately see why this may have problem if I don’t get enough power on early. And yet you can’t get too much power on early due to the small turn area initially. Mentally I try to treat this as figure of 8 course . My method is a lot of free wheeling, so its highly unorthodox. During my Class 2 where I’ve much more experience with powerful bike, I will throttle aggressively on the straight and brake at the end to shave some time off. Nonetheless, no matter what you do, you will meet the time for this course as long as you don’t fall. Class 2 is another story

 

One of my better course. The trick I find is to plank on at higher speed, free-wheel / half-clutch / tap brake and slow down along the way, reaching almost the end, I will slow to almost a stop and when about to lose balance, throttle and move off. Using my method, I’ve no problem to stay on plank for a long time. Again, most impt for me is to plank-on at high speed and feel the balance once on it.

 

v. unstable timing for me. The trick I find is turning at the right moment for the entire sequence, slight mistake and it will get worst. So during test, I will sacrifice timing here to ensure I can pass it. Class 2A was perfect for me, my lucky day. I find entering this course is most critical. Once I enter slightly off, its non-recoverable and I’ve to slow down

 

only 1 thing, don’t jam the brake, slowly apply harder and harder braking. A sure thing to pass as long as you apply brakes in progressively harder fashion. The rear brakes have negligible effect, just make sure don’t jam them

 

used to cause problem for me. Coz I keep killing the engine. Later on, I just keep the rev high and play with clutch. Both test, I felt I should get deductions for timing as I played it very safe. But both I came out perfect. Especially for class 2. Not sure why but my bet is tester are more interested in how you handle the bike and the technique.

[Idono]

-double post-

[lv3338]

 

After almost 7 months taking 2A at ssdc, i still failed the test for 2nd time.

I believe, my poor handling of the bike that had make me perform poorly on almost every courses.

 

I had go for so many revision but still unable to improve on my handling of the bike.

 

Hope for some tips from this forum......

 

when is yr next tp test?

[xjchew]

Wrong post -.-

[jepang]

when is yr next tp test?

 

22nd aug. :-)

[lv3338]

Try harder, u will make it for sure