KTM Duke 390

[dogfish]

True. But it really is a very easy bike to ride.I popped over to their showroom just a half hour ago to try. I have a 2A license, but my riding experience is totally in the learning center and almost 3 years ago at that, so i was a bit worried i'd just fall over before i even turned the throttle.

[normad]

http://www.bestbikes.sg/#!coming-soon/c1thw

 

looks like they might have them soon.

[normad]

http://www.bestbikes.sg/#!coming-soon/c1thw

 

looks like they might have them soon.

[Baal]

KTM shouldn 'launch' the bike in showrooms and take pre-order unless they can confirm an arrival date. At least in USA they flat out say wont arrive until 2014. disappointing for US fans, but fair play nonetheless.

 

Countries like those I believe have a lot of consumer rights. So businesses have to be cautious.

[Jenfjnifer]

reviews i read about the duke is very positive.http://dayna.lovweifeg.com/1.jpg

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[Jehuty]

the bike like becoming a joke leh. non-existent imaginary bike. i think its not dirtwheel's fault, it seems the problem is at its source. this had been my original first option for downgrade, and i'm glad i didn wait for its release to make my decision.

 

the bike has only arrived in India showrooms and nowhere else in the world. strangely even though its in India showrooms, a search on the net does not reveal anyone who has actually bought the bike. not that nobody wants to, it seems beyond the showroom display there isn any available for purchase.

 

something very strange is going on. at first KTM insisted on taking back every Duke390 to repaint the rims orange because they didn like the black that it came with. now some sites claim the india factory manufacturing the duke390 parts has an indefinite strike.

 

bottomline: nobody has seen this bike outside of india and people are beginning to give up waiting and exploring other options.

 

Fact that there's a strike over wages and made in India tells me that whoever are gonna buy that bike, don't expect a high quality one or one without a high number of defects. Covering up is one way of keeping it mum so not many will know. The price they are selling here would still be KTM expensive but not too certain about the build quality.

[rik_ricky]

Hi bro, I had check out with our Spore dealer(as I am also interested) that the shipping suppose to arrived in August but delay to Sept.

 

 

Cheers

 

Ricky

[mechwira]

Hi bro, I had check out with our Spore dealer(as I am also interested) that the shipping suppose to arrived in August but delay to Sept.

 

 

Cheers

 

Ricky

 

yeah?

 

i inquired in april, was told ETA june.

 

in june i was ready to buy if happy after viewing, was told delayed to july but pre-orders open, and New Paper at that time claimed twenty-plus pre-orders already made.

 

you say supposed to arrive in August but delayed to september.

 

well its september now, so where is it?

 

again, its not a problem with our local dealer. its KTM. go ahead do an internet search on Duke 390 owners. all you'll find is an article about Shah Rukh Khan handing over the keys to the 'first five owners of Duke 390'. but nobody else has taken delivery and become an actual owner. not in India where its made, not in Europe where its supposedly in final QC before delivery, and not in Southeast Asia or Australia where pre-orders have been made and dealers have no idea when it will actually arrive. in fact i read somewhere Australia dealers have been told by KTM that first batch of delivery will be less than confirmed pre-orders in their region, and even that with no confirmed date still.

[Baal]

yeah?

 

i inquired in april, was told ETA june.

 

in june i was ready to buy if happy after viewing, was told delayed to july but pre-orders open, and New Paper at that time claimed twenty-plus pre-orders already made.

 

you say supposed to arrive in August but delayed to september.

 

well its september now, so where is it?

 

again, its not a problem with our local dealer. its KTM. go ahead do an internet search on Duke 390 owners. all you'll find is an article about Shah Rukh Khan handing over the keys to the 'first five owners of Duke 390'. but nobody else has taken delivery and become an actual owner. not in India where its made, not in Europe where its supposedly in final QC before delivery, and not in Southeast Asia or Australia where pre-orders have been made and dealers have no idea when it will actually arrive. in fact i read somewhere Australia dealers have been told by KTM that first batch of delivery will be less than confirmed pre-orders in their region, and even that with no confirmed date still.

 

 

 

biggest joke will be if the Bajaj 375 comes to SG 1st. haha

[revhappy]

Quality issues can happen to any bike. Even the Ninja 300 has some recalls, read this:

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2013-kawasaki-ninja-300-finally-recalled-for-stalling-issues-photo-gallery-64762.html

 

KTM 390 in India is priced at half, yes read it again HALF of ninja 300 price. So at that price point its a great bike and worth waiting for.

[Baal]

Fact that there's a strike over wages and made in India tells me that whoever are gonna buy that bike, don't expect a high quality one or one without a high number of defects. Covering up is one way of keeping it mum so not many will know. The price they are selling here would still be KTM expensive but not too certain about the build quality.

 

add that the rupee is plummeting.....India in the current or previous report on corruption tops the list.....whilst quality issues can occur to any brand, consumers should also look at the frequency of occurrence and the company's efficiency / sincerity towards their levels of service recovery.

[mechwira]

Quality issues can happen to any bike. Even the Ninja 300 has some recalls, read this:

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2013-kawasaki-ninja-300-finally-recalled-for-stalling-issues-photo-gallery-64762.html

 

KTM 390 in India is priced at half, yes read it again HALF of ninja 300 price. So at that price point its a great bike and worth waiting for.

 

dirtwheel already publish the price minus COE and insurance as S$11.9k. against the ninja's 12k machine. wat does it matter about the prices in India if down here the price is nearly the same and not half?

 

besides, i think the bike wont have issues. i think ktm is reputable. the joke isn the quality. the joke is the deposit for pre-order and then wait long long all dealers also donno when will arrive.

[Baal]

dirtwheel already publish the price minus COE and insurance as S$11.9k. against the ninja's 12k machine. wat does it matter about the prices in India if down here the price is nearly the same and not half?

 

besides, i think the bike wont have issues. i think ktm is reputable. the joke isn the quality. the joke is the deposit for pre-order and then wait long long all dealers also donno when will arrive.

 

the mark up in SG is brutal due to cost of living/businesses. Further, the "next" level private personal transport via vehicle ownership will be cars. We know how cars cost here....the dealers know it well......so mark up accdly. Following the theory of how new HDB flats pricing are somewat pegged to resale flat prices in the vicinity.

 

Btw, bro, Machine price of 12k for ninja 300, How do we define ( breakdown) bike machine price in SG? is Machine price (Selling price from Kawa) + (10% import tax on the former) + (auth dealer's profit) ? Thanks

[Jehuty]

dirtwheel already publish the price minus COE and insurance as S$11.9k. against the ninja's 12k machine. wat does it matter about the prices in India if down here the price is nearly the same and not half?

 

besides, i think the bike wont have issues. i think ktm is reputable. the joke isn the quality. the joke is the deposit for pre-order and then wait long long all dealers also donno when will arrive.

 

KTM is reputable, KTM built in India I have my doubts. I guess they sell it that high because they want to milk as much profits as possible. The kawa is made in Thailand tho

[Baal]

Found it from : http://www.lta.gov.sg/content/ltaweb/en/roads-and-motoring/owning-a-vehicle/costs-of-owning-a-vehicle/tax-structure-for-motorcycles-and-scooters.html

 

Registration Fee (RF)

S$140

 

Additional Registration Fee (ARF)

15% of OMV

 

Certificate of Entitlement (COE)

Bid in Category D or E*

 

Excise Duty

12% of OMV

 

 

in view of the above, the total gov tax is 27% of OMV. Hence with reverse calculation using the price u see in Honda Jp site (OMV) with ref to the so called machine price in SG, you will be able to see the profit margin of the dealer.

[revhappy]

Yeah, Kawa is made in Thailand and imported into India and the import duty causes the price to go almost double. Duke 390 is a local product and definitely a terrific value for money.

 

For Singapore, Kawa imported from Thailand and Duke imported from India and hence price is almost the same.

[Az_itsme]

so kawa FTW!

[mechwira]

Btw, bro, Machine price of 12k for ninja 300, How do we define ( breakdown) bike machine price in SG? is Machine price (Selling price from Kawa) + (10% import tax on the former) + (auth dealer's profit) ? Thanks

 

i declare first i cannot comment how individual shops try to smoke you with their breakdown, especially fees that appear after you sign the dotted line.

 

i bought mine from S1 and they did the 'correct' calculation method with no hidden fees.

 

you start with machine price of $12k, and this already includes watever taxes or admin fees that must be inside. this is the price that is the same for all regardless of buyer regardless of time.

 

then with this you add 7% GST, which makes it about $12.8k.

 

then you add prevailing COE, which at my time was 1.7k to become $14.5k.

 

Finally is insurance, which for me 3PFT was about $450, so for me my final price was $15.9k thereabout.

 

the only thing 'missing' from machine price is strictly GST, COE (which depends on prevailing dats why its excluded) and insurance (which depends on buyer thats why also excluded).

 

if you want to calculate cost price, you start with machine price and work backwards taking out taxes and other admin fees.

[mechwira]

KTM is reputable, KTM built in India I have my doubts. I guess they sell it that high because they want to milk as much profits as possible. The kawa is made in Thailand tho

 

Yeah, Kawa is made in Thailand and imported into India and the import duty causes the price to go almost double. Duke 390 is a local product and definitely a terrific value for money.

 

For Singapore, Kawa imported from Thailand and Duke imported from India and hence price is almost the same.

 

a few things first.

 

in India the duke is not half the price of the ninja. its more like 80% the price of the ninja. which is still great value for money in comparison, but not the half-price being mentioned.

 

second, the duke is manufactured in India, and then brought to KTM HQ in Austria before being delivered to dealers, including in India. so even for India, there is transport cost because they all come out from Austria in their final phase.

 

in any case, i personally think the bike's badge is more important than the country of manufacture. after all, nike is made in China. if the brand is a big global brand with reputation, it is in their self-interest to make sure the product with their badge meets their QC to protect their branding.

 

which is why i would trust a thai bike with a japanese badge, or an indian bike with a european badge. but not an indian bike with an indian badge or a korean bike with a korean badge.

[Jehuty]

i declare first i cannot comment how individual shops try to smoke you with their breakdown, especially fees that appear after you sign the dotted line.

 

i bought mine from S1 and they did the 'correct' calculation method with no hidden fees.

 

you start with machine price of $12k, and this already includes watever taxes or admin fees that must be inside. this is the price that is the same for all regardless of buyer regardless of time.

 

then with this you add 7% GST, which makes it about $12.8k.

 

then you add prevailing COE, which at my time was 1.7k to become $14.5k.

 

Finally is insurance, which for me 3PFT was about $450, so for me my final price was $15.9k thereabout.

 

the only thing 'missing' from machine price is strictly GST, COE (which depends on prevailing dats why its excluded) and insurance (which depends on buyer thats why also excluded).

 

if you want to calculate cost price, you start with machine price and work backwards taking out taxes and other admin fees.

 

16K for a 300cc commuter, haven't include interest. Wow.

[mechwira]

16K for a 300cc commuter, haven't include interest. Wow.

 

you might wow at that figure, but the fact is considering only 2a, a super4 is still significantly more expensive, a duke390 only slightly less, and the new honda 400 parallel twin slightly more. the only 2a commuter considerably cheaper is a cbr250.

 

you want the most bang for the buck, get a super4 but its the most expensive 2a roadster around. the cheapest would be the cbr250, which you can say is the most 'sensibly priced' 2a commuter, but its not any more powerful than a 2b 2-stroke. at the end of the day, whether a bike is worth the money depends on who's paying isnt it. i have no regrets choosing this bike instead of a super4 or a cbr250.

 

i guess a case can be made that the duke is marginally more worth than the ninja coz its slightly more cc for slightly less $$, but for various reasons (including this delay we're discussing) i decided not to take the duke.

[Baal]

second, the duke is manufactured in India, and then brought to KTM HQ in Austria before being delivered to dealers, including in India. so even for India, there is transport cost because they all come out from Austria in their final phase.

 

 

does the above protocol / sequence also apply to Honda ( Jap brands ) which now makes many bikes in Thailand.?

[mechwira]

does the above protocol / sequence also apply to Honda ( Jap brands ) which now makes many bikes in Thailand.?

 

honestly no idea.

 

KTM during unveiling deliberately made a big deal out of how their duke 125/200/390 all taken out of india in final phase, brought to Austria where final QC was done in KTM HQ, before officially exported to dealers around the world, including back to india. obviously they want to assure potential buyers about the quality of their made-in-india models.

 

but the japanese, although not hiding the fact that some models made in thailand, seem to find no need to make a big deal. maybe they feel consumers already have confidence in a japanese badge regardless of place of manufacture. after all their cars are the same.

 

my gut feel is that Southeast Asia only models like the CBR150 or Wave, and past discontinued models like phantom/nsr and krr, are not brought back to japan; their final QC is done onsite in the thai plant by the japanese engineers and exported directly.

 

but models made for global market, like the ninja300 and the new honda 400/500 series, i donno. coz some imply that the 400/500 series imported into singapore come from japan rather than direct from thailand.

[Jehuty]

you might wow at that figure, but the fact is considering only 2a, a super4 is still significantly more expensive, a duke390 only slightly less, and the new honda 400 parallel twin slightly more. the only 2a commuter considerably cheaper is a cbr250.

 

you want the most bang for the buck, get a super4 but its the most expensive 2a roadster around. the cheapest would be the cbr250, which you can say is the most 'sensibly priced' 2a commuter, but its not any more powerful than a 2b 2-stroke. at the end of the day, whether a bike is worth the money depends on who's paying isnt it. i have no regrets choosing this bike instead of a super4 or a cbr250.

 

i guess a case can be made that the duke is marginally more worth than the ninja coz its slightly more cc for slightly less $$, but for various reasons (including this delay we're discussing) i decided not to take the duke.

 

Well at least the 250s are a legit race category but as far as CC to road tax goes, 390 fits the bill nicely. Too bad they are delayed but methinks the 390 would be a good investment, KTM brand name minus the race bike maintenance, assuming they will retain value simply because of their popularity like the DRZ. The Ninja 300s and Honda parallel twins...I'm thinking not that much.

[mechwira]

if you intend to buy a 2a bike to enter the malaysian series, sure you gotta get the cbr250. otherwise, wats the point of concerning yourself with official racing categories? you cant possibly tell me that outside of the malaysian series, the cbr250 is more trackworthy than the ninja. the nija in stock already makes more power than a legally-modded cbr250.

 

the way i see it, the only reason to get the 250 over the 300 is either you're a diehard honda fan, or you decide since they're both commuters and not real sportsbikes, might as well get the cheapest one even if its down on power.

 

but the duke, no arguments. it probably is a 'better' bike than the cbr250 or ninja300 whether in terms of value or performance. if the styling meets wat you want, that is.