Adiva ad3

[Andre]

Just went down to the dealer to finalise my paperworks. Mah will start registration next week upon receive the full payment or upon completion of the loan agreement documentation for those who intend to get a loan.

 

They said due to overwhelming respond from Europe and Japan, they only managed to brought in 15 units in Singapore and these 15 units are selling fast.

They can't promise when will be the next shipment also.

[ben1112]

Mah say my current NCD of 20% cannot apply in the first year of insurance with them, say is their policy. Check with you guys is this considered normal?

[MiTo]

Just went down to the dealer to finalise my paperworks. Mah will start registration next week upon receive the full payment or upon completion of the loan agreement documentation for those who intend to get a loan.

 

They said due to overwhelming respond from Europe and Japan, they only managed to brought in 15 units in Singapore and these 15 units are selling fast.

They can't promise when will be the next shipment also.

 

This is basically "Sales" Talk

 

They will sure tell you selling fast to entice you to faster make booking.......

 

More bookings, they can forecast how much more to bring in for next shipment, supply and demand.

 

The Salesguy who served me got the cheek to say to another interested buyer..... "We brought in 1 container(15 bikes), got mixture of some colours, and some 200, some 300, but we do not know how many of each colour and we do not know which is 200, which is 300, both look the same, we have not sort them out yet, if interested, make booking first". DUHZ!!!.

 

When i hear this kinda bullshit, i was kinda turned off by this crappy nonsensical Sales Talk.

 

How are you going to take bookings and not know what stocks exactly you are having now, or you just take booking for sake of taking, then after that then see what to do next?

 

I would suggest interested buyers to note down their intended Model and Colour(Ensure they have the stock), and pen down T & C to ensure delivery by expected date. If not you will be dragged along by the Sales Person, who may not have proper stock info, and just want you to pen down on the doted lines just to close the deals and meet their Sales Quota and never care less about consumer rights and expectations.

 

This guy who served me, should be Sacked......

[MiTo]

Mah say my current NCD of 20% cannot apply in the first year of insurance with them, say is their policy. Check with you guys is this considered normal?

 

Pulling a fast one? All the bikes bought from Mah or any other shops, if you are entitled to 20% or max 20+5% NCD, it is your entitlement to have a discount on the insurance policy when you already Qualified by the usual terms.

 

FYI, you can actually buy your own insurance, it is not a necessity or a must to buy insurance with the Shop.

If this Sales person is telling you this bullshit, why not ask him to fly kite and ask for another person to serve you instead?

 

Another thing to add, they usually sell the bikes with a round up OTR figure to include insurance, registration, 6 mths rd tax, coe, bike price etc etc.

The NCD when applied, will actually save $$ for the bike shop as this discount is actually a hidden savings for them if you think about it.

 

Example : If your insurance cost $300 without NCD, after 25% NCD cost $225, they save $75... so what is the Sales man thinking to prevent you from using NCD????

 

Unless they are giving you a price which excludes insurance, but even which your NCD is still your NCD, they have no reasons to not allow it, and they save $$ too... so why not?

Edited August 22, 2013 by MiTo

[ben1112]

Pulling a fast one? All the bikes bought from Mah or any other shops, if you are entitled to 20% or max 20+5% NCD, it is your entitlement to have a discount on the insurance policy when you already Qualified by the usual terms.

 

FYI, you can actually buy your own insurance, it is not a necessity or a must to buy insurance with the Shop.

If this Sales person is telling you this bullshit, why not ask him to fly kite and ask for another person to serve you instead?

 

Another thing to add, they usually sell the bikes with a round up OTR figure to include insurance, registration, 6 mths rd tax, coe, bike price etc etc.

The NCD when applied, will actually save $$ for the bike shop as this discount is actually a hidden savings for them if you think about it.

 

Example : If your insurance cost $300 without NCD, after 25% NCD cost $225, they save $75... so what is the Sales man thinking to prevent you from using NCD????

 

Unless they are giving you a price which excludes insurance, but even which your NCD is still your NCD, they have no reasons to not allow it, and they save $$ too... so why not?

 

Thanks bro. I already ask the sales to get back to me which company he quote from, I will call the insurance company personally to check if there should be such practice.

[ben1112]

Pulling a fast one? All the bikes bought from Mah or any other shops, if you are entitled to 20% or max 20+5% NCD, it is your entitlement to have a discount on the insurance policy when you already Qualified by the usual terms.

 

FYI, you can actually buy your own insurance, it is not a necessity or a must to buy insurance with the Shop.

If this Sales person is telling you this bullshit, why not ask him to fly kite and ask for another person to serve you instead?

 

Another thing to add, they usually sell the bikes with a round up OTR figure to include insurance, registration, 6 mths rd tax, coe, bike price etc etc.

The NCD when applied, will actually save $$ for the bike shop as this discount is actually a hidden savings for them if you think about it.

 

Example : If your insurance cost $300 without NCD, after 25% NCD cost $225, they save $75... so what is the Sales man thinking to prevent you from using NCD????

 

Unless they are giving you a price which excludes insurance, but even which your NCD is still your NCD, they have no reasons to not allow it, and they save $$ too... so why not?

 

Thanks bro. I already ask the sales to get back to me which company he quote from, I will call the insurance company personally to check if there should be such practice.

 

Thanks bro. I already ask the sales to get back to me which company he quote from, I will call the insurance company personally to check if there should be such practice.

 

Already clarified, the salesperson meant that the NCD will be refunded after I buy the insurance. Not NCD upfront like other co.

Edited August 23, 2013 by ben1112

[ben1112]

Now got one problem they tell me only got black gloss for 300cc and matte black for 200cc. Only these two color they brought in of the 15 bikes. Anyone buying can confirm?

[Andre]

This is basically "Sales" Talk

 

They will sure tell you selling fast to entice you to faster make booking.......

 

More bookings, they can forecast how much more to bring in for next shipment, supply and demand.

 

......

Basically, I agreed with you, this how they trying to justify why they increase the price....

[ben1112]

The salesperson call me to and fro bring me go merry go round about the colours now say have later say dun have. :angry:

 

Taking a break from all this, me is go holiday first come back den TCSS with you guys about your new bikes!

[Andre]

I think only 1 sales rep is handling all the Adiva sales. Met him yesterday at Mah, forgotten his name (young Chinese boy). Talk to other's is wasting time. Therefore, make sure talk to the correct person.

Understand from him that 10 units had been booked, balance 5 units as per yesterday.

[ben1112]

I think only 1 sales rep is handling all the Adiva sales. Met him yesterday at Mah, forgotten his name (young Chinese boy). Talk to other's is wasting time. Therefore, make sure talk to the correct person.

Understand from him that 10 units had been booked, balance 5 units as per yesterday.

 

Yes that's the chap. Just went down to settle everything, apparent as he claims all the problem is their admin gave wrong info to him. So I finally settled for matt black and was told all units has been sold.

[ben1112]

I think only 1 sales rep is handling all the Adiva sales. Met him yesterday at Mah, forgotten his name (young Chinese boy). Talk to other's is wasting time. Therefore, make sure talk to the correct person.

Understand from him that 10 units had been booked, balance 5 units as per yesterday.

 

Yes that's the chap. Just went down to settle everything, apparent as he claims all the problem is their admin gave wrong info to him. So I finally settled for matt black and was told all units has been sold.

[advia89]

Latest update...

AD300 is left with 2 pcs @gloss black & gunmetal color.....

 

My friez wanting a silver now settle for the gloss black.....not wanting the last pc is gunmetal that have to wait for the next shipment...

Edited August 23, 2013 by advia89

[advia89]

Already clarified, the salesperson meant that the NCD will be refunded after I buy the insurance. Not NCD upfront like other co.

 

I tend to disagree to the clarifications....

 

NCB is deductible up front from the premium when you purchase the 1 year coverage. NCB % is reduce or forfeit if there is a insurance claim during the coverage timeline or there was a lapse in the continuity in the insurance .....

 

Also if you currently owns bike A and now buying the new Ad300 insurance, you won't have any NCB.

[ben1112]

I tend to disagree to the clarifications....

 

NCB is deductible up front from the premium when you purchase the 1 year coverage. NCB % is reduce or forfeit if there is a insurance claim during the coverage timeline or there was a lapse in the continuity in the insurance .....

 

Also if you currently owns bike A and now buying the new Ad300 insurance, you won't have any NCB.

 

I already called AXA the insurer they say refund by after successful transfer of NCD, not upfront. Thanks for letting me know anyway.

[ben1112]

Latest update...

AD300 is left with 2 pcs @gloss black & gunmetal color.....

 

My friez wanting a silver now settle for the gloss black.....not wanting the last pc is gunmetal that have to wait for the next shipment...

 

Does yr friend participate in this forum? Do invite him for chit chat.

[advia89]

Thanks bro. I already ask the sales to get back to me which company he quote from, I will call the insurance company personally to check if there should be such practice.

 

 

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Already clarified, the salesperson meant that the NCD will be refunded after I buy the insurance. Not NCD upfront like other co.

 

 

I already called AXA the insurer they say refund by after successful transfer of NCD, not upfront. Thanks for letting me know anyway.

 

please do not mislead the masses to mention "NCB will be refunded after the buying of insurance"

 

This typical case is NCB is refund after transfer which is from another bike!

 

And Not applicable to all insurance cases especially renewal cases.....

[ben1112]

please do not mislead the masses to mention "NCB will be refunded after the buying of insurance"

 

This typical case is NCB is refund after transfer which is from another bike!

 

And Not applicable to all insurance cases especially renewal cases.....

 

I only quote what AXA operator told me, why so hostile accuse me misleading? I understand your kind intention of delivering correct info to fellow bikers, so I shall call AXA again tml morning provided they are open. I think this info may be useful to other fellow intending to buy from MAH.

[advia89]

I only quote what AXA operator told me, why so hostile accuse me misleading? I understand your kind intention of delivering correct info to fellow bikers, so I shall call AXA again tml morning provided they are open. I think this info may be useful to other fellow intending to buy from MAH.

 

Sharing an important point fror all bikers to take note whilst buying insurance as most tend to overlook is just not about pricing. It has to be apple to apple comparison.....

 

Comprehensive type of insurance has higher premium as compare to non cos it has better coverage in most liabilities....

 

Came to understand an accident involving a new AD200 that the scooter bump into the rear of the truck. The damage was serious to his scooter and the truck has minor damage. The AD's complete front body classis cave in.

 

Later he was in shock to find the insurance T&C does not cover own damages. Poor owner has to fund his own repair cost which he choose to scape the scooter due high repair cost & lousy after-math feelings.

 

He can't de-register unless he made full payment or to continue complete his 48 months installments then follow the de-registration. He chooes the option 2.....

 

He regretted that he didn't check the insurance coverage as assumed that since the bike is on installment basis that it should be comprehensive type of insurance.....FYI his insurance was bundle into the over all OTR price.....

 

Is also worthwhile for bikers to consider inclusive of fire & thief coverage since there has been cases of MSCP vehicles on fire .....

Edited August 23, 2013 by advia89

[advia89]

 

The photos shown is the aftermath of the new AD200 accident which has the body classis caved in. Almost whole body work is completely wrecked..

 

As his insurance did not cover own damage that forking out own monies for repairs are extensive.......

 

AD200 was since sitting in the compound whilst completing the installment payments for next about 40 months.....before de-register process....

Edited August 23, 2013 by advia89

[sazman]

Goodness... How fast was he going at?

[advia89]

Goodness... How fast was he going at?

 

Didn't enquire with him and he didn't seem to talk about the details before the crash....except for some days spent in hospital with fracture ribs......

 

He shares his experience to caution all new bike owners never assume that the bike shops and finance companies these days has their policy to take up the first party insurance on your behalf when you are on installment basis....

 

Maybe in the past, yes & compuslory to take 1st party insurance for hire purchase. Unless the bike has the installment fully paid up or buy the new bike with full settlement that you have the choice of 1st or 3rd party option....

Edited August 24, 2013 by advia89

[ben1112]

Sharing an important point fror all bikers to take note whilst buying insurance as most tend to overlook is just not about pricing. It has to be apple to apple comparison.....

 

Comprehensive type of insurance has higher premium as compare to non cos it has better coverage in most liabilities....

 

Came to understand an accident involving a new AD200 that the scooter bump into the rear of the truck. The damage was serious to his scooter and the truck has minor damage. The AD's complete front body classis cave in.

 

Later he was in shock to find the insurance T&C does not cover own damages. Poor owner has to fund his own repair cost which he choose to scape the scooter due high repair cost & lousy after-math feelings.

 

He can't de-register unless he made full payment or to continue complete his 48 months installments then follow the de-registration. He chooes the option 2.....

 

He regretted that he didn't check the insurance coverage as assumed that since the bike is on installment basis that it should be comprehensive type of insurance.....FYI his insurance was bundle into the over all OTR price.....

 

Is also worthwhile for bikers to consider inclusive of fire & thief coverage since there has been cases of MSCP vehicles on fire .....

 

I just checked with AXA and verified my info is correct.

[ben1112]

Didn't enquire with him and he didn't want to talk about the details before the crash....except for some days spent in hospital with fracture ribs......

 

He shares the main focus is to caution all new bike owners never assume that the bike shops and finance companies these days has their policy to take up the first party insurance on your behalf when you are on installment basis....

 

Maybe in the old days yes & compuslory to take 1st party insurance for hire purchase. Unless the bike has the installment fully paid up or buy the new bike with full settlement that you have the choice of 1st or 3rd party option....

 

Your friend should have read what's on the insurance paper. There is a summarized 1 page copy correct? Anyway there's no stopping of buying 1st PT insurance for HP, only 3rd party.

[ben1112]

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/402791-Adiva-ADtre-owner-s-thread?p=8019372#post8019372

 

Dear all I have created a new thread to consolidate to-be owners for future meetups and sharing.