Adiva ad3

willtam · August 24, 2013

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The photos shown is the aftermath of the new AD200 accident which has the body classis caved in. Almost whole body work is completely wrecked..

As his insurance did not cover own damage that forking out own monies for repairs are extensive.......

AD200 was since sitting in the compound whilst completing the installment payments for next about 40 months.....before de-register process....

Please note that I strongly believe the current offer by Mah and NW for AD3 at $14,200 all in with insurance OTR covers F&T - Fire and Thief only so in any Accident .... all 15 of you will be in this same **** Unless you are covered by 1st Party Insurance. Pls Correct me if i am wrong. This is top urgent matters all you new owner of the AD3 please take note

ben1112 · August 24, 2013

Please note that I strongly believe the current offer by Mah and NW for AD3 at $14,200 all in with insurance OTR covers F&T - Fire and Thief only so in any Accident .... all 15 of you will be in this same **** Unless you are covered by 1st Party Insurance. Pls Correct me if i am wrong. This is top urgent matters all you new owner of the AD3 please take note

Bro, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't 1st party fire & theft AKA "2nd party" common practice for all first hand bike unless buyer opt to top up for 1st party comprehensive?

Me no understand what the fuss is about.

Doremi · August 24, 2013

Bro, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't 1st party fire & theft AKA "2nd party" common practice for all first hand bike unless buyer opt to top up for 1st party comprehensive?

Me no understand what the fuss is about.

Not really. Depending on the bikes actually. When I had my kawasaki concours from this bike shop, the insurance company want me to take comprehensive. Not two ways around

ben1112 · August 24, 2013

Not really. Depending on the bikes actually. When I had my kawasaki concours from this bike shop, the insurance company want me to take comprehensive. Not two ways around

I guess it depends on the cost of the bike as well, bike shop afraid if you total the bike then no money to pay them. Anyway I'm getting real bored of discussing about the $$$ stuff so I'm going to take a back seat from now on until the bike arrives so we can finally discuss about the ACTUAL bike itself.

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/402791-Adiva-ADtre-owner-s-thread

advia89 · August 25, 2013

Deleted as no point asking a ya ya papaya.....

Edited August 25, 2013 by advia89

advia89 · August 25, 2013

I guess it depends on the cost of the bike as well, bike shop afraid if you total the bike then no money to pay them. Anyway I'm getting real bored of discussing about the $$$ stuff so I'm going to take a back seat from now on until the bike arrives so we can finally discuss about the ACTUAL bike itself.

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/402791-Adiva-ADtre-owner-s-thread

Don't talk like big timer â‚¬Â£Â¥$ as I'm quoting your statement "Anyway I'm getting real bored of discussing about the $$$ stuff ".

Then why you bother to check around within this forum to ask who pay what price or buy at what price????

Kindly buy the price you are quoted by Ma then!!!! Asking Andre for NW pricing for comparison with the intent to kick the butt of the main distributor until some forumer whom is against your intent and purpose came along to give you his 2 cents worth of advice for this????

Btw wish you good luck :cheers:the day you kisses some body's backside to wake up and realise what 3rd party can do for you......

ben1112 · August 25, 2013

Don't talk like big timer â‚¬Â£Â¥$ as I'm quoting your statement "Anyway I'm getting real bored of discussing about the $$$ stuff ".

Then why you bother to check around within this forum to ask who pay what price or buy at what price????

Kindly buy the price you are quoted by Ma then!!!! Asking Andre for NW pricing for comparison with the intent to kick the butt of the main distributor until some forumer whom is against your intent and purpose came along to give you his 2 cents worth of advice for this????

Btw wish you good luck :cheers:the day you kisses some body's backside to wake up and realise what 3rd party can do for you......

Relax bro, I already buy at the price that Mah quote. I din kick the butt of any distributor because NW and Mah is actually selling same price bro.

Don't have to wish me luck bro, you need it just as much. In fact maybe you need it more because you have one wheel less.

I have no intention to make things any worse but you had to instigate me.. I just trying to say I look forward to sharing and discussing about this bike itself cannot?

ben1112 · August 25, 2013

Relax bro, I already buy at the price that Mah quote. I din kick the butt of any distributor because NW and Mah is actually selling same price bro.

Don't have to wish me luck bro, you need it just as much. In fact maybe you need it more because you have one wheel less.

I have no intention to make things any worse but you had to instigate me.. I just trying to say I look forward to sharing and discussing about this bike itself cannot?

Don't understand why you wanna slam me when I say buy 2nd party or 3rd party is ok and quite normal. Like the cheap bike I riding now I buy 3rd party also nvm what. This is personal preference why must discriminate me? You insurance co? All bikes otr is 1st party?

I understand yr kind sharing of yr fren incident but why must "wish" me good luck? You not biker? Buy 1st party insurance means you protected by god?

Don't understand yr intentions.

ben1112 · August 25, 2013

I'm sorry if any of you think I very Yaya. Intact I very thankful for guys here like Andre who provide me so much info so that I know I'm getting the best out of my deal. I was the one who asked a lot of qn with regards to pricing and so I think I had enough so I mentioned I gonna sit back and wait for delivery. I don't know how that ticked anyone off.

Actually, I'm inclined to think that someone is still pissed for me proving that a ad2 cannot be converted to a ad3.

ben1112 · August 25, 2013

The shame is on you, not me for such an old guy to pick an argument with a young chap like me over such trivial matters. You should know better how to behave, especially being the older and supposedly more mature party.

Hi Js003
...I've ridden many types of bikes for the past 33 years which the latest is the AD200 for the last 4 years hence I would like to share my views and experience with you how is difference a bike with roof.
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Wah no need use such a harsh word la. So far i only know in this forum got Andre and I book the ADtre, two person not consider as "rampant" ba?

The word rampant is used to describe en masse action, which means more than one person at least. And in this forum, automatically includes me and Andre who booked.

At least Andre was promised OTR of not more 14k when he changed his bookings to 300cc

For your case what was promised to you? Is not the change of sales rep does really matter as is still coming from the same company policy....

You seem to be mislead in believing by putting down a $100 booking fee shall have all the privileges or entitlement.. Whatever transpired between you both and was it documented into the contact?.... Now is seems to be yours words against the sales rep....

Is all sales talk....its the role of the sales in conviencing you or actually you already convince him by early bookings with mouth pricing....

Probably you could react by getting all to do withdrawal from buying the AdTres and that maybe that could send the signal for the distributor to re-consider the pricing..

Haha
Certain demand for wanting to be first in the batch can cost you to be $17k.....on contrary should have demand the price to be fixed as should be the intent as purpose of placing a booking....

At least Andre knows how to nego by locking the pricing and not just simply because wanting to be first in the queue....

Here you begin to mock me

You have a point, my impulse worked against me. But I think all is not lost I will go down and nego with the them why sub distributor can give lower price then main distro.

In response to yr comment that I was not smart to make them give me a fixed price, I ate the humble pie and admitted it was my rash decision.

Yes that's what I intend to do. Not gonna push them, if they dun wanna offer den I just move on lor.

Bro thank you for suan-ing me.

Here I refer you suaning me as above

I would like to correct your view here as there isn't need to thank me as there is no specific mentioning of names .....likely hood that you have high level of guilty conscious leh.....

Here you try to hide behind yr words like a turtle, trying to deny that you are talking bad about me. When you just pointed out I was foolish for booking to be in first in batch. But nvm I gave you benefit of doubt and move on.

Hey bro

Don't be over sensitive as what I'm was merely referring to my Adiva die hard friend whom places a even higher than $100 booking.

If you have read my earlier posting to mention my friend places $3500 booking fee by trading in his MP3 by just knowing the ADTre estimate verbal selling pricing .......

Hopes that clarify the suspicions and situation.....

Here your pretence continues, being a fake gentlemen by making me look over-sensitive.

I tend to disagree to the clarifications....

NCB is deductible up front from the premium when you purchase the 1 year coverage. NCB % is reduce or forfeit if there is a insurance claim during the coverage timeline or there was a lapse in the continuity in the insurance .....

Also if you currently owns bike A and now buying the new Ad300 insurance, you won't have any NCB.

You disagree what you also not the ins company? I called AXA that's what they told me and i just relayed the info. But nvm I want to be sure so I said I will check again,

I already called AXA the insurer they say refund by after successful transfer of NCD, not upfront. Thanks for letting me know anyway.

So the next day, I kept my word and I double checked with the AXA hotline. Again they told me the same thing "..your new policy will have its NCD refunded via cheque once the old policy is cancelled and successfully transferred NCD from previous Ins CO to AXA.."

And I phrase in a nice way not to offend you and even thank you.

please do not mislead the masses to mention "NCB will be refunded after the buying of insurance"

This typical case is NCB is refund after transfer which is from another bike!

And Not applicable to all insurance cases especially renewal cases.....

Here you ACCUSED me of misleading others. Which part I mislead others? I only relay info from AXA which i verified Twice.

Sharing an important point fror all bikers to take note whilst buying insurance as most tend to overlook is just not about pricing. It has to be apple to apple comparison.....

Comprehensive type of insurance has higher premium as compare to non cos it has better coverage in most liabilities....

Came to understand an accident involving a new AD200 that the scooter bump into the rear of the truck. The damage was serious to his scooter and the truck has minor damage. The AD's complete front body classis cave in.

Later he was in shock to find the insurance T&C does not cover own damages. Poor owner has to fund his own repair cost which he choose to scape the scooter due high repair cost & lousy after-math feelings.

He can't de-register unless he made full payment or to continue complete his 48 months installments then follow the de-registration. He chooes the option 2.....

He regretted that he didn't check the insurance coverage as assumed that since the bike is on installment basis that it should be comprehensive type of insurance.....FYI his insurance was bundle into the over all OTR price.....

Is also worthwhile for bikers to consider inclusive of fire & thief coverage since there has been cases of MSCP vehicles on fire .....

This part onwards you change topic to TYPES of insurance coverage and begin to bash ppl tgt with another forummer about 2nd and 3rd party insurance. If 2nd and 3rd party useless then what for the co. come out with it? It's all bout what suits you and making an informed decision isn't it?

Yes I may be younger and foolish or impulsive. But my actions are definitely above-board and gentlemanly not despicable and underhand. I don't hide behind my words, speak franking and apologize when i offend unnecessarily.

Now end of the day, after signing on the dotted line I found out all distributors in SGP are selling at the same machine price. It wasn't because I bugged them but purely a fixed price from Mah. So anybody pls dun blame me say I jack up prices for sub dist.

And also I'm right about the NCD refund policy which you maligned me of misleading others.

I dare to admit I'm rash and luckily things did not turn out for the worse. But do you dare to admit you are fake gentleman?

willtam · August 25, 2013

Yes that's what I intend to do. Not gonna push them, if they dun wanna offer den I just move on lor.

Yes Bro, I do agree with you.
The actual selling price is set by Mah. Dealer only earn some commission base on the selling price. Some dealer might give some discount to their regular customer by cutting their own commission.

Btw, Adiva is own by Mah, therefore, there is unlikely will has any parallel importer.

You have a point, my impulse worked against me. But I think all is not lost I will go down and nego with the them why sub distributor can give lower price then main distro.

If you do the above.... you will "kill" the Sub-distributor - Dealer as Mah will react and advise them to Price them in line with MAH....if the saving is more then the $100 deposit you place with MAH then go buy from the Sub-distributor / dealer...don't spoil the benefits available from the Sub-distributor / dealer.....this is my 2 cents worth of opinion ....

ben1112 correct me if i am wrong despite my advise and opinion and being shared / seconded by Andre you insist on pursuing your point without considering the outcome that may have cause the "closure" for "others" of benefiting from saving some money by going to dealers.... this does reflect your arrogant life somewhat if i may say....nevertheless please refrain from seeking concession by declaring you being "young chap" .... you are matured enough, i trust to kill a man with a rifle being done your NS and able to put your vote to who run this country.... we all must be responsible for what we say / write ..... Non of us here benefits from this forum contribution...at least money wise....let not be so emotional....this world is made up of different type and kind of people....... just ignore ....will bring about a better world... Peace to all

ben1112 · August 25, 2013

ben1112 correct me if i am wrong despite my advise and opinion and being shared / seconded by Andre you insist on pursuing your point without considering the outcome that may have cause the "closure" for "others" of benefiting from saving some money by going to dealers.... this does reflect your arrogant life somewhat if i may say....nevertheless please refrain from seeking concession by declaring you being "young chap" .... you are matured enough, i trust to kill a man with a rifle being done your NS and able to put your vote to who run this country.... we all must be responsible for what we say / write ..... Non of us here benefits from this forum contribution...at least money wise....let not be so emotional....this world is made up of different type and kind of people....... just ignore ....will bring about a better world... Peace to all

Willtam, I stress to you that in the end I did not push Mah to do any price fixing to other dealers. I asked the salesman why other place selling cheaper, he immediately told me Mah selling machine price to other dealer same price as what they selling. If I want I can withdraw and buy from them, but I decided to sign with Mah on the spot.

I did not in anyway discredit fellow forummers by making the price jack up at other distributors. I was simply eager and made a booking like Andre did too but panicked that I might be shortchanged but decided man up and follow through. Only to find out later that I was not short changed because other places selling at same price(informed by Andre later).

I am responsible to what I say, which part did i not speak responsibly pls point out for me to reflect. However Adiva89 made false accusations about me and is that considered speaking responsibly? And I did and do not seek "concessions" for being young. In fact I lament him for not acting right despite being older.

Edited August 25, 2013 by ben1112

willtam · August 25, 2013

I like to add that the Insurance cover for all motor vehicle including Motorcycle consist of two main type of policy.

1. Comprehensive : Covers First Party and Third Part Damages and all claim

This mean they pay for Owner Damages and claim whatever the cause. I.E. even you crash your vehicle yourself and you are wrong. They pay the damage. and off course Third Party Claim : meaning you crash into someone and they seek damage claim from you as you are at fault. The Insurance will pay on your behalf.

2. Third Party : ONLY Covers ONLY Third Party. I.E : meaning you crash into someone and they seek damage claim from you as you are at fault. The Insurance will pay on your behalf.

BUT you must pay your own damage . This Policy is the minimum require by law . Paying Claim by "others"

3. F&T - Fire and Theft is a kind of "rider" - Addition over Third Party Policy Insurace Covers .

This Covers all Third Party Claim PLUS Owners cost of claim "IF" its due to "Fire or Theft" IE if the Vehicle damage due to Fire or Stolen . Not if you Crash yourself or Hit someone rear .... your pay your own damage...as in advia89 friend's case.

Now in all Car loan they are usually undertaken by Bank so all bank will insist that Owner must buy only First Party Insurance so that in any event that has happen to the car regardless of what happen, the car can be salvage, repair if damage whatsoever to recover their loan. This apply even for used car...as long you loan from Bank means Compressive... and this is renewal until your loan expire ...paid up

For motorcycle....most loan if not all is undertaken Not by bank but by the Motorcycle Company themselves.....that is they finance your purchase...they loan to you...this is risky in business sense...but they are doing it....that why they can package the OTR price with insurance....go ask them .....its ONLY F&T most but not all ...so ask and check what are you covered nor mislead ......so be warn if the damage you cant pay ....you end up like advia89 friend.....this is a "time-bomb" .... waiting to happen.... being a motorcyclist.... you are most vulnerable motorist ...

willtam · August 25, 2013

sorry double post

Edited August 25, 2013 by willtam

ben1112 · August 25, 2013

Bye bye! See you guys OTR when I'm back!

Andre · August 26, 2013

My ADtre is in Mah's workshop now, waiting for them to fix the windshield and roof.

So still waiting...

advia89 · August 28, 2013

I like to add that the Insurance cover for all motor vehicle including Motorcycle consist of two main type of policy.

1. Comprehensive : Covers First Party and Third Part Damages and all claim
This mean they pay for Owner Damages and claim whatever the cause. I.E. even you crash your vehicle yourself and you are wrong. They pay the damage. and off course Third Party Claim : meaning you crash into someone and they seek damage claim from you as you are at fault. The Insurance will pay on your behalf.

2. Third Party : ONLY Covers ONLY Third Party. I.E : meaning you crash into someone and they seek damage claim from you as you are at fault. The Insurance will pay on your behalf.
BUT you must pay your own damage . This Policy is the minimum require by law . Paying Claim by "others"

3. F&T - Fire and Theft is a kind of "rider" - Addition over Third Party Policy Insurace Covers .
This Covers all Third Party Claim PLUS Owners cost of claim "IF" its due to "Fire or Theft" IE if the Vehicle damage due to Fire or Stolen . Not if you Crash yourself or Hit someone rear .... your pay your own damage...as in advia89 friend's case.

Now in all Car loan they are usually undertaken by Bank so all bank will insist that Owner must buy only First Party Insurance so that in any event that has happen to the car regardless of what happen, the car can be salvage, repair if damage whatsoever to recover their loan. This apply even for used car...as long you loan from Bank means Compressive... and this is renewal until your loan expire ...paid up

For motorcycle....most loan if not all is undertaken Not by bank but by the Motorcycle Company themselves.....that is they finance your purchase...they loan to you...this is risky in business sense...but they are doing it....that why they can package the OTR price with insurance....go ask them .....its ONLY F&T most but not all ...so ask and check what are you covered nor mislead ......so be warn if the damage you cant pay ....you end up like advia89 friend.....this is a "time-bomb" .... waiting to happen.... being a motorcyclist.... you are most vulnerable motorist ...

Please note that I strongly believe the current offer by Mah and NW for AD3 at $14,200 all in with insurance OTR covers F&T - Fire and Thief only so in any Accident .... all 15 of you will be in this same **** Unless you are covered by 1st Party Insurance. Pls Correct me if i am wrong. This is top urgent matters all you new owner of the AD3 please take note

ben1112 correct me if i am wrong despite my advise and opinion and being shared / seconded by Andre you insist on pursuing your point without considering the outcome that may have cause the "closure" for "others" of benefiting from saving some money by going to dealers.... this does reflect your arrogant life somewhat if i may say....nevertheless please refrain from seeking concession by declaring you being "young chap" .... you are matured enough, i trust to kill a man with a rifle being done your NS and able to put your vote to who run this country.... we all must be responsible for what we say / write ..... Non of us here benefits from this forum contribution...at least money wise....let not be so emotional....this world is made up of different type and kind of people....... just ignore ....will bring about a better world... Peace to all

Hi Willtam

Thanks for sharing the identical concern to enlighten our motorcyclist friends especially some bikers may be native to insurance matter.

Some only tend to realize the restrictive T&C after an accident to find their insurance is a non comprehensive type even when their bikes are on HP.

Raising such concern here is to ensure our new ADTre owners & friends not to overlook the insurance coverage.

Though many maybe OTR price conscious that probably after apple to apple consideration may find not worthwhile to be cover under 3rd party.

Also appreciated your kind efforts to express the insurance fine prints explanations which shall benefit most forumers if not all....

Nonetheless moving forward with kind hearts that we shall ignore the fledging with no depth and arrogant forumer.....

Edited August 28, 2013 by advia89

MiTo · August 30, 2013

Extracted from Mah Facebook page below

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=620666254630891&set=a.281102461920607.69551.113545488676306&type=1&theater

ben1112 · August 30, 2013

Collecting bike now.

sazman · August 30, 2013

Cool plate number for the first bike on the road... Do share how's your new ride feels!

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ben1112 · August 31, 2013

For all those who do not mind my amateur feedback/riding impressions you may take a look here.

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/402791-Adiva-ADtre-owner-s-thread

sazman · August 31, 2013

Some comparison that I've made with images found online... It seems that the front track dimension for AD3 might be wider than the MP3 LT which is not sold here. Hopefully the new owners can help to verify the dimensions.

If indeed that the AD3 front track is wider, it can be an advantage of being much more stable compared to the MP3, coupled with the fact that the MP3 C.G. seems to be higher with the way that the heavy front parallelogram tilting system was designed.

ben1112 · September 1, 2013

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Some comparison that I've made with images found online... It seems that the front track dimension for AD3 might be wider than the MP3 LT which is not sold here. Hopefully the new owners can help to verify the dimensions.

If indeed that the AD3 front track is wider, it can be an advantage of being much more stable compared to the MP3, coupled with the fact that the MP3 C.G. seems to be higher with the way that the heavy front parallelogram tilting system was designed.

You are welcome to join the other thread and I am willing to shed whatever knowledge abt the bike to best efforts. I no longer feel comfortable enough to post my sharing in this thread.

TRR · September 9, 2013

My ADtre is in Mah's workshop now, waiting for them to fix the windshield and roof.
So still waiting...

Hi Andre ...now that you have collected your ADTre300 and ridden for sometime.......care to share the full detail difference .... in handling....power....consumption... lane splinting...whatever you have evaluate please for the others benefits..... Thank you anticipating your contribution

ben1112 · September 9, 2013

Hi Andre ...now that you have collected your ADTre300 and ridden for sometime.......care to share the full detail difference .... in handling....power....consumption... lane splinting...whatever you have evaluate please for the others benefits..... Thank you anticipating your contribution

Dear TRR, Andre has responded in the other thread about his FC and i have shared about the power and handling. Please look into this thread,http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/402791-Adiva-ADtre-owner-s-thread/page3.

Both of us were even slightly injured due trying to handle the heavy bike while stationary!

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