SSDC Prac 4 Desperately need help.

[yoshino305]

For the narrow course [PART A]:No problems. Only nervous.- S course/Crank course/Narrow plank.

My opinion for part A: I can get through this without much problems.

 

For the slope [PART B]: No problems - roll backwards and exessive revving of engines.

My opinion for part B: I got no problems.

 

For the Emergency stop [PART C]: I got an incorrect technique demerits(Remarks:Braking) I have no idea what that means. I breaked 60/40 handbrake/rear brake :/.

My opinion for part C: I think i only have 2 major flaws that gets me demerit points at this part: Incorrect positioning and incorrect technique. what i always do is -START>Go>Slowly Accelerate>Gear up>Accelerate faster>Gear 3>Slowly>(hit around 30-35km/h)>Yellow Line>Immediately apply handbrake with force and try to control force of applying on rearbrake.

 

 

For the Moving off/stopping [PART D]: i got demerit points for poor acceleration at the starting of crank course.

My opinion for part D:I usually don't have this problem, only problem i noticed was incorrect posture for slope.

 

For the Forward driving[PART E]: I got demerit points for wobbling when changing lane/negotiating bend/turning in the figure of 8 and fail to change to appropriate gear before urning at the start of the figure of 8.

My opinion for part E: Not much of a problem, was nervous at the previous prac 4.

 

 

For the junction [PART F]: I got demerit points for incorrect positioning.

My opinion for part F: I always have a problem with incorrect positioning / Technique.

 

For the safety check[PART G]: I failed to check blind spot at the start and before slope.

My opinion for part G: I try to turn my head more frequently but forget at times because i don't understand what you see when u turn your head left or right . Its so fast that u wouldn't notice anything i think.

 

Overall: Starting>Signal left>Check back right>Move off> Check blindspot left>Turn right>Check back right> Gear 2> Off signal> Approaching slope gear down to 1 and on signal right>Stop>Check for vehicles , if clear> Check back right>Turn right>blind spot right>Stop at the right side clutched in and rearbrake >Clear to go>Go downhill without clutching in , use brakes to control>Reach down the hill> Check for vehicles>If clear, check back right>Turn right> Blindspot right>Go straight> Turn right>Check blind spot right again> Stop at the yellow line before figure of 8>Breath in deep>Ok to go>Go in to figure of 8>Yellow line off signal and gear 2> go around the 8> Approaching the exit>Signal left>Check for vehicles before yellow line> If clear to go , continues riding/If not, gear down to 1 and stop.> Clear road>Check back right> Move off > Before turning>Check blindspot left>Signal off> Approach crank course>Halfway signal left again>At crank course>Turn left> Yellow line off signal and gear 2> turn right(Sharp turn)> At the yellow line gear down to 1 and check for vehicles> Clear> Go straight and before turning, check blindspot right>Go all the way straight before the junction> Stop.

 

Sorry for the long details for those who read.

All my small mistakes are before E-brake.

I don't know how to rectify this problem, that is why i desperately need help. thank you!

[Cellardoor]

Very detailed, but we can't really tell you much online.

 

You should have a word with your instructions about the things they/and TP testers will look out for. Things such as you locking your elbows and looking straight instead of the line when you do E-brake etc etc...

 

Understanding the logic of blindspot checking is also important. True, it may seem a little over the top in the circuit, but the idea is to get you to make it a habit to check. Especially when you're out riding on the road.

 

All things considered, some people also believe that the number of attempts and revisions taken are considered when deciding whether you pass. Not sure how true this is, but always good to have at least one or two revisions before your assessment. Doesn't really cost much. I usually take a revision a few days before and one more right before the assessment, but that's me.

 

All the best~

[TsuchimiRin]

For the narrow course [PART A]:No problems. Only nervous.- S course/Crank course/Narrow plank.

My opinion for part A: I can get through this without much problems.

 

For the slope [PART B]: No problems - roll backwards and exessive revving of engines.

My opinion for part B: I got no problems.

 

For the Emergency stop [PART C]: I got an incorrect technique demerits(Remarks:Braking) I have no idea what that means. I breaked 60/40 handbrake/rear brake :/.

My opinion for part C: I think i only have 2 major flaws that gets me demerit points at this part: Incorrect positioning and incorrect technique. what i always do is -START>Go>Slowly Accelerate>Gear up>Accelerate faster>Gear 3>Slowly>(hit around 30-35km/h)>Yellow Line>Immediately apply handbrake with force and try to control force of applying on rearbrake.

 

 

For the Moving off/stopping [PART D]: i got demerit points for poor acceleration at the starting of crank course.

My opinion for part D:I usually don't have this problem, only problem i noticed was incorrect posture for slope.

 

For the Forward driving[PART E]: I got demerit points for wobbling when changing lane/negotiating bend/turning in the figure of 8 and fail to change to appropriate gear before urning at the start of the figure of 8.

My opinion for part E: Not much of a problem, was nervous at the previous prac 4.

 

 

For the junction [PART F]: I got demerit points for incorrect positioning.

My opinion for part F: I always have a problem with incorrect positioning / Technique.

 

For the safety check[PART G]: I failed to check blind spot at the start and before slope.

My opinion for part G: I try to turn my head more frequently but forget at times because i don't understand what you see when u turn your head left or right . Its so fast that u wouldn't notice anything i think.

 

Overall: Starting>Signal left>Check back right>Move off> Check blindspot left>Turn right>Check back right> Gear 2> Off signal> Approaching slope gear down to 1 and on signal right>Stop>Check for vehicles , if clear> Check back right>Turn right>blind spot right>Stop at the right side clutched in and rearbrake >Clear to go>Go downhill without clutching in , use brakes to control>Reach down the hill> Check for vehicles>If clear, check back right>Turn right> Blindspot right>Go straight> Turn right>Check blind spot right again> Stop at the yellow line before figure of 8>Breath in deep>Ok to go>Go in to figure of 8>Yellow line off signal and gear 2> go around the 8> Approaching the exit>Signal left>Check for vehicles before yellow line> If clear to go , continues riding/If not, gear down to 1 and stop.> Clear road>Check back right> Move off > Before turning>Check blindspot left>Signal off> Approach crank course>Halfway signal left again>At crank course>Turn left> Yellow line off signal and gear 2> turn right(Sharp turn)> At the yellow line gear down to 1 and check for vehicles> Clear> Go straight and before turning, check blindspot right>Go all the way straight before the junction> Stop.

 

Sorry for the long details for those who read.

All my small mistakes are before E-brake.

I don't know how to rectify this problem, that is why i desperately need help. thank you!

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From my experience, wobbling during lane change not necessary wobbling, turning of handlebar and leaning while lane change they take it as wobbling, technique to do lane change is once you finish turning, do not straighten your bike, position angle of around 30 degrees from straight line with your head looking at the far end of the lane you gonna change into, blind spot check should be done while your bike is in the middle of the lane you are currently travelling in, just do a fast check and let the instructors or TP see your head turning, which means you have almost literally do a "check back" instead of blind spot check, it is just to exaggerate. Slope roll back according to how I read it, is mainly due to you not applying your footbrake just enough for you to stop in position and not prevent you from moving and your half-clutch control, the thing is always half-clutch control on slope, you master your half-clutch you will feel your bike trying to move off on slope even if you apply your footbrake.

 

For e-brake, what I do is i always straighten my hands, look far forward, foot brake once applied, don change (lessen your need to concentrate on your foot brake while trying to maintain your posture etc), the brake that should have variation is your front brake. Not having enough acceleration happens when they hear your engine having "vibration" or "metal knocking", try revving a bit more, again it is half-clutch control, you maintain your half-clutch no need scared your bike surge forward cos the gear and engine has not made full contact. Anything to do with balancing, always look far and straight. Hope this helps/

[rider2013]

Best is to do at least 3 circuit practice before assessment practical 4/

[rimau]

Hi Yoshino305, sorry to hear your predicament. I think your last Lesson 4 was your 7th attempt? I feel your frustrations.

 

Looking at your evaluation report, you've got at least 22 points? I can't decipher what's written at the narrow course, did you drop off at the plank?

 

You've got:-

8 points for failing to check blind spot

1st penalty, right at the start, after you turn left, before turning right, you should check your right blind spot.

2nd penalty, before turning into the slope, you should check your right blind spot.

 

4 point for wobble around bend

Are you aware that you wobbled at the figure 8?

Sometimes, shifting your butt while changing direction may cause you to wobble, so don't shift your butt.

 

4 points for fail to change to appropriate gear

You're still in 1st gear when you entered the figure 8?

Its better that you change to 2nd gear before you turn left into the figure 8.

 

6 2 each for poor acceleration, incorrect positioning & incorrect technique.

Poor acceln: throttle more & lift your left leg after you've gained enough momentum.

Incorrect positioning: if there's no other bikes around, you should be @right side, top box.

Incorrect technique: various reasons, did you clutch in early?

 

 

 

For the blind spots checks, you seemed to be confused with the different safety checks.

Basically there's 3 types of safety checks.

 

1. Check traffic - To check for oncoming traffic from your left or right. Only need to turn your head slightly, unless you're at the slip road, where you may need to turn your head more.

 

2. Check back - Done only when the bike is stationary. Turn your head all the way to check for oncoming traffic behind you, even if your handlebar is turned slightly, its ok.

This is to be done everytime you want to move from stationary.

 

3. Blind Spot - Done when your bike is already in motion. Do this everytime you need to turn left or right, or change lane, or before turning around a bend.

However, before checking your blind spot, you should first check your rear view mirrors, only when the coast is clear, then you do a blind spot check, before actually making the turn.

 

I hope you understand the difference of the above safety checks. They should be strictly adhered to as your life depends on it.

 

Sorry for my long winded reply. I hope it may help you.

[yoshino305]

Thank you all for the replies! Going to book prac 4 soon. Hopefully i can pass this time

[xXxRatedxXx]

How desperate are you?

[yoshino305]

Very. Nothing much to say but my strong desire.

[rimau]

Quote From your previous post:

I got a feeling that many people thinks I will get into an accident if I had a bike.

I guessed they witness how indifferent you are towards the need for safety checks.

Do you understand the need of the safety checks now? & When & How to perform them?

 

Overall: Starting>Signal left>Check back right>Move off> Check blindspot left>Turn right>Check back right> Gear 2> Off signal> Approaching slope gear down to 1 and on signal right>Stop>Check for vehicles , if clear> Check back right>Turn right>blind spot right>Stop at the right side clutched in and rearbrake >

I'll just comment your above operations. You should check blind spot before you make the turn, not after. Checking blind spot after the turn will still get you 4 demerit points.

Seems like you had made the two right blind spot checks, but you will still be penalised because you do it after you make the turn.

By the way, it's called blind spot check, not check back(red underlined).

 

You do not need to stop at the junction for the slope if there's no oncoming vehicles, & if so, you should turn in at gear 2, then drop to gear 1 before you stop on the slope.

 

The right signal should be made about 3 secs before you reach the junction, not @the junction.

 

Thank you all for the replies! Going to book prac 4 soon. Hopefully i can pass this time

Wish you all the best, for your own safety and the safety of all other road users.

[kicson]

Hey fellow SSDC student.I myself am taking 2B at SSDC too

 

Anyway,here's some tips the instructors at SSDC gave me while i was doing Circuit Revision.

 

For part A and B you can clear them both w/o much trouble yes?

So on to part C. Here's what i do when approaching part C (E-Brakes)

For positioning, you're turning Right.So its Right>Left>Right>Left. That means

2 1

4 3

For blind spot checking,ALL riders check back INWARDS(just like on slope). Riders 1 and 3 check back LEFT, 2 and 4 check back RIGHT.

For technique,What ill do is have a fast start,Change to gear 2,DRAG gear 2 till 30 kph THEN change to gear 3. and MAINTAIN throttle,don't open throttle or you'll go over 35kph. By the time you change to G3,you're only 2-3 seconds away from the cone.So be prepare to close throttle and brake.Throttle closing should be fairly fast because you just change gear and only just started to turn the throttle up.

For braking, apply BOTH brakes together.Not front brakes then rear brakes. Squeeze them lightly first then apply pressure as you slow down. You've gotta overcome the fear of losing control and skidding if you have them.

 

On to part F(incorrect positioning)@ junction

Im assuming its after Crank Course?.If so,remember to stop at the stop line, check for cars on your right before turning left into the junction,where the traffic lights is at.

For positioning, you must turn into the lane nearest to you which is the left lane.Its using for left turn and going straight.So just turn somewhere in the middle of the lane but alittle to you right.Cause you'll be changing lanes soon.

Word of caution: Do not turn in to the right lane or ONTO the dotted white lines between the left and right lane.

 

And for checking back and checking blind spot,there's a difference between both of them.

For checking back,you do it before turning or banking.you only need turn your head a little just enough to see the space beside you and a little behind.I got penalize for turning my head too much while checking back.Got 6 points for it.All 3 boxes got ticked.Ha

For checking blind spot,you do it before moving off.You gotta turn your head ALL the way back and look back.Try to turn it in a way that your chin almost touches your shoulder.And dont do it too fast or the tester make treat it as improper checking of blind spot. A very common mistake for checking blind spot is many riders turn their heads,but their eyes are looking down.You're not looking for $$ on the floor.So turn and look straight ahead.in this case behind.

 

Anyway these are the tips i can offer you.You can choose to heed them or not.Your choice

Good luck

[haram_j86]

Just think of it this way. If you fail means u r not ready. The road outside is not the same as in driving centres. Riding is a skill. To master a skill takes practice and confidence as well as perseverence. If a tester fails u,he is just trying to protect u and other road users. What if u r still incompetent yet u passed and ride outside. Then an obstacle occurs. Can u overcome it? Or will u be a victim of it? Patience is a virtue my friend. I believe practice makes perfect. Doesnt matter if u spend more than others to get a license. Nothing is worth more than life.