Latest Feb 2015 COE $5,540 that made the lower and middle income suffer more!

[safeins]

The plan is very simple. If we stop buying new bikes, the coe price will eventually drop. If we need another bike, get a 2nd hand one instead or hold one to current one, at least till July.

 

The dealers are fighting for coe, so we shouldn't join them now.

 

Buying a second hand bike, the price will also goes up! unless you buy a few months going to expired bike but again to pay for renew COE now is very HIGH if your bike is like a honda curb!

[wait4me]

There will still be ppl buying and also some have previously order their bikes. These coe is peanuts to them.

[hachi]

In theory sounds simple, in practice impossible to implement......how to get everyone to stop buying new bikes? hahaha

 

Unless govt implements policy that buyers bid for their own COE, and COE to be paid full cash upfront, cannot factor into loan. This should help bring down for both bikes and cars

 

Agreed, to a certain extend, that why gov also smart. Price moves by market force.

[kzone]

problem is many still see this as no choice, have to pay and with the trend going up, there's a constant demend now as people rush to buy to avoid future higher prices.

 

For a 5 yr loan, monthly payment for 10k is less than $200, for 20k loan less than $400. Expensive yes, painful yes but still within the threshold of many riders and riders to be

[filtered]

so better to make no loan for COE...upfront full cash payment

[shahrul_azmil3]

Need a movement to change not based on individual

 

Coz,

 

To renew coe n repair that troublesome old bike.. (some might be very expensive)

 

Or to buy/bid the coe with a newer bike

 

N im with kzone

 

Unless some politicians do something about it, expect the price to be increasing....

 

Many young healthy ppl will now opt for bigger bikes since small bikes not cheap anyways if not carefully choose, this small bike repair cost can be very similar to a class 2 bikes...

 

We have different opinions in this so what make u think I will change? Based on individual efforts

[simpleboy]

I think we need to reduce cars increase motorbikes then only our congestion will be alleviated. Somemore less cars means safer roads. However which rich person want to ride motorbike n will support this. We also need motorcycle category D 2B, D 2A, D 2, reduce quota for 2A and class 2 bikes, compulsory 10 year scrap for class 2 bikes n help the poor be able to afford motorcycles. Remove wayang youngsters(especially recently I saw a guy bought class 2 bike just to try the wind n then selling away I rmb is guang duno what) from the road by charging them unaffordable premiums for safer roads and hence freeing up quota for those really need it for work and transportation purpose. Not for just pure leisure convenience and fun.

 

Lol I think I ministers calibre alr. Jk. Anyway 5k still peanuts la. Few mths pay. Wait till it hits 15k. Soon to be true. Take average car coe/4 4bikes = 1car rmb? Bike lesson la

Edited April 23, 2015 by simpleboy

[kzone]

from the way things are going, its better for us to accept (and plan / adjust ur financial planning for it) that the days where COE price is higher than bike price is here to stay just like cars' coe

 

There will be changes in the way things are such as once the current batch of "cheap" bike COE expires, companies will start to provide bikes for delivery services. I recall this used to be the case many years back.

 

Financial institutions also might start providing bike financing or AD tie up with CC to provide interest free / low interests schemes.

 

So what does it mean for us? We will not stop riding, we will not stop buying bikes. We will find ways to make bike ownership more “affordable”. We will resort to loans, longer repayment period, renew Class 2 bikes coes etc.

 

Till the financial institution comes in and provide loans for bike COEs, class 2 bike approaching 10 years will start to be lelong as some owners cannot afford to renew COEs. Bike shops will take in these 10 yr class 2 bikes, renew COEs then resell with financing packages.

[ticks]

Sad sad sad days... Paper more expensive than bike..

[stsoh]

ki$$ farewell to cheap COE.

2015 April 2nd CAT D bid:

$6801

[filtered]

I think we need to reduce cars increase motorbikes then only our congestion will be alleviated. Somemore less cars means safer roads. However which rich person want to ride motorbike n will support this. We also need motorcycle category D 2B, D 2A, D 2, reduce quota for 2A and class 2 bikes, compulsory 10 year scrap for class 2 bikes n help the poor be able to afford motorcycles. Remove wayang youngsters(especially recently I saw a guy bought class 2 bike just to try the wind n then selling away I rmb is guang duno what) from the road by charging them unaffordable premiums for safer roads and hence freeing up quota for those really need it for work and transportation purpose. Not for just pure leisure convenience and fun.

 

Lol I think I ministers calibre alr. Jk. Anyway 5k still peanuts la. Few mths pay. Wait till it hits 15k. Soon to be true. Take average car coe/4 4bikes = 1car rmb? Bike lesson la

 

Why penalise Class 2 bikes by having to scrap after 10 yrs and not other classes? A bike is still a bike, whether the owner buy for transport or as pure hobbyist, that's their own business. They still pay road tax and occupy negligable space on the roads.

 

Like it or not, our society is capitalistic in nature, so in essence, who can pay wins....no charity here....hard truth. Also how to determine whether the owner use for transport or just for 'wayang'?

 

In the first place, I think bikes should have no need for COE, given that they cause little to no congestion. However we all know COE system has lost its intended purpose to begin with =D

[simpleboy]

Why penalise Class 2 bikes by having to scrap after 10 yrs and not other classes? A bike is still a bike, whether the owner buy for transport or as pure hobbyist, that's their own business. They still pay road tax and occupy negligable space on the roads.

 

Like it or not, our society is capitalistic in nature, so in essence, who can pay wins....no charity here....hard truth. Also how to determine whether the owner use for transport or just for 'wayang'?

 

In the first place, I think bikes should have no need for COE, given that they cause little to no congestion. However we all know COE system has lost its intended purpose to begin with =D

Lol I tink you do not understand this is not charity, your form of no coe required for bike is then charity. my main point is not to give any free bikes cert but reduce teenagers bikes( there's alr a system in placed called insurance, just make this totally out of reach to the young population), increase working population bike, especially those required to travel to malaysia. Remove class 2 bike because they're just like cars, take up big space. 10years reached, scrap just like cars, higher coe due to higher space taken up. The big picture is to allocate bikes in the most efficient manner so we have less ppl doing it for hobby or games but real needs. Yea its their own business but then we have more important needs to fulfil, just pay if u wan to upkeep such a hobby. We got limited road space my friend. Of course during implementing of scrapping class 2 bike I'm sure the we can come up with an interesting explanation.

Edited April 23, 2015 by simpleboy

[filtered]

Lol I tink you do not understand this is not charity, your form of no coe required for bike is then charity. my main point is not to give any free bikes cert but reduce teenagers bikes( there's alr a system in placed called insurance, just make this totally out of reach to the young population), increase working population bike, especially those required to travel to malaysia. Remove class 2 bike because they're just like cars, take up big space. 10years reached, scrap just like cars, higher coe due to higher space taken up. The big picture is to allocate bikes in the most efficient manner so we have less ppl doing it for hobby or games but real needs. Yea its their own business but then we have more important needs to fulfil, just pay if u wan to upkeep such a hobby. We got limited road space my friend. Of course during implementing of scrapping class 2 bike I'm sure the we can come up with an interesting explanation.

 

errm class 2 bikes dont really take up much more space than a 2B or 2A bike leh. For example you take a Ducati Monster 1100, size wise its around the same as a Super 4. Its not like you can fill the space taken up with 2 x Super 4, or even 2 x Wave, so space wise your argument doesnt really hold leh. Of cos have certain exceptions like Goldwings or Road Kings or those Can-AM, but these are usually the exception rather than the norm.

 

Also some ppl may use Class 2 bikes for day-to-day transport also, for various reasons. For example, even for daily transport, I choose to ride a cl2 mainly cos I feel safer on a big bike

 

1) Better road presence. Cars can see me better as my riding positon is high up.

2) Better brakes, power and acceleration to get me out of trouble if needed. Also wider tyres hence more road surface contact

3) The newer cl 2 bikes nowadays tend to have things like traction control and ABS. You dont usually see these on small bikes

4) Having a slightly bigger profile, i will not lanesplit if it looks tight. I've seen those m'sian kupchais lanesplit on the expressways, when I think it would be too tight & dangerous to even try.....but than msian bikes are in a league of their own hahahah

 

Also how to determine if the bike will be used for work or for leisure? If implement by capacity, the above scenario applies. If implement by make/model, then this will cause uproar among the bike manufacturers/dealers/owners etc.....so very difficult lah...

 

Best is scrap COE for bikes, or make it just a nominal fee of $1 like it used to be last time hahaha

[shahrul_azmil3]

Class 2 bikes takes up more space then a class 2b bike...

 

So that's the reason for scraping?

 

Class 2 bike cant do despatch?

 

A honda nc700 has so good fuel consumption that could put some class 2b fuel consumption to shame

 

The only bike that cant fit into a bike parking lot is the cam am spider...

 

Ar that one I agree like car already

[shahrul_azmil3]

N I agree with all the points above....

 

Let me add another point

 

I used to ride the Hayabusa

 

Over the ownership of 6 years, I can count with 1 hand, how many times a car road hog me or overtaking in a dangerous manner.

 

U see its still mindset of drivers. Bikes are already cheap. Smaller bikes eg class 2b is really not worth the checking of blindspot... They dont belong at the expressway. Etc etc etc

 

So I do feel safer n I ride safer with a class 2 bike

[filtered]

The only bike that cant fit into a bike parking lot is the cam am spider...

 

Ar that one I agree like car already

 

That one the former SMRT lady CEO has one....along with her ferrari california =P

[simpleboy]

errm class 2 bikes dont really take up much more space than a 2B or 2A bike leh. For example you take a Ducati Monster 1100, size wise its around the same as a Super 4. Its not like you can fill the space taken up with 2 x Super 4, or even 2 x Wave, so space wise your argument doesnt really hold leh. Of cos have certain exceptions like Goldwings or Road Kings or those Can-AM, but these are usually the exception rather than the norm.

 

Also some ppl may use Class 2 bikes for day-to-day transport also, for various reasons. For example, even for daily transport, I choose to ride a cl2 mainly cos I feel safer on a big bike

 

1) Better road presence. Cars can see me better as my riding positon is high up.

2) Better brakes, power and acceleration to get me out of trouble if needed. Also wider tyres hence more road surface contact

3) The newer cl 2 bikes nowadays tend to have things like traction control and ABS. You dont usually see these on small bikes

4) Having a slightly bigger profile, i will not lanesplit if it looks tight. I've seen those m'sian kupchais lanesplit on the expressways, when I think it would be too tight & dangerous to even try.....but than msian bikes are in a league of their own hahahah

 

Also how to determine if the bike will be used for work or for leisure? If implement by capacity, the above scenario applies. If implement by make/model, then this will cause uproar among the bike manufacturers/dealers/owners etc.....so very difficult lah...

 

Best is scrap COE for bikes, or make it just a nominal fee of $1 like it used to be last time hahaha

I only know one thing. If can implement for car. Sure can implement for bike.

[filtered]

Yes ....lets say even if possible to implement, lets say maybe govt split Cat D COE into 2 categories, below 200cc and above 200cc

 

You compare current car Cat A $67,601 and Cat B $78,001. The difference in COE is abt 15%

 

Now assuming we apply the same % to bike COE now $6801. The resulting amt if 15% less is also abt $5781. Not a huge difference. So I think highly unlikely to have a situation where small bikes COE are maybe $1k+ and big bikes 6k+ or more. Besides, compared to the car population, bikers are small fry, so unlikely the govt will make exceptions to cater to minority. They rather appease aspiring car owners to win more votes.

 

Like it or not, in the eyes of the general public, bikes are poor man's transport and some drivers find bikers more a nuisance on the road.

[simpleboy]

Yes ....lets say even if possible to implement, lets say maybe govt split Cat D COE into 2 categories, below 200cc and above 200cc

 

You compare current car Cat A $67,601 and Cat B $78,001. The difference in COE is abt 15%

 

Now assuming we apply the same % to bike COE now $6801. The resulting amt if 15% less is also abt $5781. Not a huge difference. So I think highly unlikely to have a situation where small bikes COE are maybe $1k+ and big bikes 6k+ or more. Besides, compared to the car population, bikers are small fry, so unlikely the govt will make exceptions to cater to minority. They rather appease aspiring car owners to win more votes.

 

Like it or not, in the eyes of the general public, bikes are poor man's transport and some drivers find bikers more a nuisance on the road.

Yes you are right. In future when I m rich I won't ride a bike also. Maybe just for fun. N I will hope for less bikes so car become cheaper. True fact.

[duo]

N I agree with all the points above....

 

Let me add another point

 

I used to ride the Hayabusa

 

Over the ownership of 6 years, I can count with 1 hand, how many times a car road hog me or overtaking in a dangerous manner.

 

U see its still mindset of drivers. Bikes are already cheap. Smaller bikes eg class 2b is really not worth the checking of blindspot... They dont belong at the expressway. Etc etc etc

 

So I do feel safer n I ride safer with a class 2 bike

Drivers have that mindset sadly. Hence why when some bobo driver hits a bike any bike and when shown the damage they will just hand out 10 to 50 for the damage. Thinking that it is enough or more than enough for the repairs.

[wait4me]

i think Govt do not like to hear protest or disagreement , only approval

 

wait they dulan , worse case scenario

 

all bikes COE will not need to bid , however it will be peg to half the price of CAT A

 

1.they no need paper work or the need to monitor COE

2.profit margin increase

 

 

paying a premium for a premium ride as one high up govt memebers mention

[filtered]

I cant think of any minister/MP who rides a bike, or maybe even has a bike license....hahah...unlikely they will sympathise with the bike community

[Jehuty]

Class 2 bikes takes up more space then a class 2b bike...

 

So that's the reason for scraping?

 

Class 2 bike cant do despatch?

 

A honda nc700 has so good fuel consumption that could put some class 2b fuel consumption to shame

 

The only bike that cant fit into a bike parking lot is the cam am spider...

 

Ar that one I agree like car already

 

Nothing can beat the cheapness of 2B maintenance.

 

At the end of the day, vote white out, talk so much no point, gahmen bring in New citizens daily so they can stay in power. Either you vote them out and hopefully see changes or bring yourself out.

 

A lot of Singaporeans are staying in JB, renting SG homes out, some leave altogether.

[filtered]

Or work harder/smarter, find more ways to generate more income

 

As the saying goes "if money can solve your problems, then it's not a problem anymore......the problem is to find the money"

 

=P

[shahrul_azmil3]

Work smarter

 

Smart foreigners buy certs to get high pay

 

Un smart Singaporean, go on debt and study to compete with the foreigners

 

Good luck lah Singaporean

 

Like as stated above

 

Vote them out or bring urself out