Petrol Question...??

[hit.man]

Ermm, if that's so how come they come out with so many octane boosters in the market? At least will have slight effect?

 

Cuz those manufacturers see that there's lots of people who are easy to cheat, so everyone also wanna grab a bite at the pie.... If they can't convince you, they confuse you... With so many brands of octane booster, definitely one would be right? Or so you thought... So many octane booster on the shelf, see until blur, so you just pick one which you thought would work and viola~! One fish on the hook!!!

 

Okie lah some ppl would be dead against what I felt abt octane booster. So be it. I am here to share my opinion only. If you got money to spare and really itch to put things into your fuel tank, so be it....

 

Anyway, I seconded what SE said (if I remember correctly)... that my bike felt more powerful after I wax and polish it~! Perhaps the reason is because after waxing/polishing, there's less dust/dirt or the bike, thus reducing the friction between the fairing and the wind. And improve aero-dynamic due to less drag from the dirt/dust, will unleash more power from the bike which leads to greater acceleration. Less drag will also means ease of acceleration which ultimately translate to better fuel consumption~!!!

 

Now am I already tempting you to check out all that wax and polish that are on display on the shelf?

 

PS: Don't believe me. I am just bullsh1tting and demonstrating the method of "if you can't convince them, confuse them!"

But I did indeed get an improved mileage of 20km... now do you call that a positive user review or what? haha....

[Strong Eagle]

Ermm, if that's so how come they come out with so many octane boosters in the market? At least will have slight effect?

 

Octane boosters exist on the market for two reasons.

 

a) Because a modified engine might need higher octane in order to not knock.

 

b) Because misinformed people buy the product thinking they will get more power.

 

For more than you ever wanted to know about petrol/gasoline see this FAQ.

 

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/part1/

 

In particular, check out sections

 

6.3 What fuel property does the Octane Rating measure?

 

The fuel property the octane ratings measure is the ability of the unburnt end gases to spontaneously ignite under the specified test conditions. Within the chemical structure of the fuel is the ability to withstand pre-flame conditions without decomposing into species that will autoignite before the flame-front arrives. Different reaction mechanisms, occurring at various stages of the pre-flame compression stroke, are responsible for the undesirable, easily-autoignitable, end gases.

 

6.13 Can higher octane fuels give me more power?

 

If you are already using the proper octane fuel, you will not obtain more power from higher octane fuels. The engine will be already operating at optimum settings, and a higher octane should have no effect on the management system. Your driveability and fuel economy will remain the same. The higher octane fuel costs more, so you are just throwing money away. If you are already using a fuel with an octane rating slightly below the optimum, then using a higher octane fuel will cause the engine management system to move to the optimum settings, possibly resulting in both increased power and improved fuel economy. You may be able to change octanes between seasons ( reduce octane in winter ) to obtain the most cost-effective fuel without loss of driveability.

 

In other words, if you are already using the recommended octane rating for your bike you gain nothing by going to a higher octane fuel.

[pergilahsayang]

Cuz those manufacturers see that there's lots of people who are easy to cheat, so everyone also wanna grab a bite at the pie.... If they can't convince you, they confuse you... With so many brands of octane booster, definitely one would be right? Or so you thought... So many octane booster on the shelf, see until blur, so you just pick one which you thought would work and viola~! One fish on the hook!!!

 

Okie lah some ppl would be dead against what I felt abt octane booster. So be it. I am here to share my opinion only. If you got money to spare and really itch to put things into your fuel tank, so be it....

 

Anyway, I seconded what SE said (if I remember correctly)... that my bike felt more powerful after I wax and polish it~! Perhaps the reason is because after waxing/polishing, there's less dust/dirt or the bike, thus reducing the friction between the fairing and the wind. And improve aero-dynamic due to less drag from the dirt/dust, will unleash more power from the bike which leads to greater acceleration. Less drag will also means ease of acceleration which ultimately translate to better fuel consumption~!!!

 

Now am I already tempting you to check out all that wax and polish that are on display on the shelf?

 

PS: Don't believe me. I am just bullsh1tting and demonstrating the method of "if you can't convince them, confuse them!"

But I did indeed get an improved mileage of 20km... now do you call that a positive user review or what? haha....

 

 

WOw.. thts one good exmple .

 

---> Btw, hv any1 of u eva wonder diffren brand of petrol produce diffren amount of carbon @ residue? . Juzz wondering... this petrol said, hv superier cleaning property.. bla bla, tht petrol hv techron keep ur engine clean bla bla. Haha.. untill dunno if they are tellin da truth of juzz gimmick...

[ozzarhomb]

Octane boosters exist on the market for two reasons.

 

a) Because a modified engine might need higher octane in order to not knock.

 

b) Because misinformed people buy the product thinking they will get more power.

 

For more than you ever wanted to know about petrol/gasoline see this FAQ.

 

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/part1/

 

In particular, check out sections

 

6.3 What fuel property does the Octane Rating measure?

 

The fuel property the octane ratings measure is the ability of the unburnt end gases to spontaneously ignite under the specified test conditions. Within the chemical structure of the fuel is the ability to withstand pre-flame conditions without decomposing into species that will autoignite before the flame-front arrives. Different reaction mechanisms, occurring at various stages of the pre-flame compression stroke, are responsible for the undesirable, easily-autoignitable, end gases.

 

6.13 Can higher octane fuels give me more power?

 

If you are already using the proper octane fuel, you will not obtain more power from higher octane fuels. The engine will be already operating at optimum settings, and a higher octane should have no effect on the management system. Your driveability and fuel economy will remain the same. The higher octane fuel costs more, so you are just throwing money away. If you are already using a fuel with an octane rating slightly below the optimum, then using a higher octane fuel will cause the engine management system to move to the optimum settings, possibly resulting in both increased power and improved fuel economy. You may be able to change octanes between seasons ( reduce octane in winter ) to obtain the most cost-effective fuel without loss of driveability.

 

In other words, if you are already using the recommended octane rating for your bike you gain nothing by going to a higher octane fuel.

all the bikes i've rode so far are designed to run on RON 91 (my youngest bike i've owned so far is a 2003 bike). are there bikes made nowadays that are designed to run on the higher Octane fuel? how about cars? :confused:

[ganman]

all the bikes i've rode so far are designed to run on RON 91 (my youngest bike i've owned so far is a 2003 bike). are there bikes made nowadays that are designed to run on the higher Octane fuel? how about cars? :confused:

 

 

Frankly it is a waste of money to pump a higher grade of petrol than required by your bike. But if riders want to pump a higher grade it's a personel choice. Can't stop them. Great for the petrol companies.

[299]

Frankly it is a waste of money to pump a higher grade of petrol than required by your bike. But if riders want to pump a higher grade it's a personel choice. Can't stop them. Great for the petrol companies.

 

Yeah...And also great to be "broke" soon....

[GhostBiker]

i'm more concerned abt the prices. now the price of RON 92 is even more expensive than wat i paid for RON98 in just 2 months!!

[ahsnow]

think more n more people pump in malaysia

[hit.man]

ya lor... at first i was still considering switching back to spore petrol cuz kinda lazy to always go 2nd link... now don't need to think already... every trip save me $15 after deducting all the misc costs....

[Pplater]

Cuz those manufacturers see that there's lots of people who are easy to cheat, so everyone also wanna grab a bite at the pie.... If they can't convince you, they confuse you... With so many brands of octane booster, definitely one would be right? Or so you thought... So many octane booster on the shelf, see until blur, so you just pick one which you thought would work and viola~! One fish on the hook!!!

 

Okie lah some ppl would be dead against what I felt abt octane booster. So be it. I am here to share my opinion only. If you got money to spare and really itch to put things into your fuel tank, so be it....

 

Anyway, I seconded what SE said (if I remember correctly)... that my bike felt more powerful after I wax and polish it~! Perhaps the reason is because after waxing/polishing, there's less dust/dirt or the bike, thus reducing the friction between the fairing and the wind. And improve aero-dynamic due to less drag from the dirt/dust, will unleash more power from the bike which leads to greater acceleration. Less drag will also means ease of acceleration which ultimately translate to better fuel consumption~!!!

 

Now am I already tempting you to check out all that wax and polish that are on display on the shelf?

 

PS: Don't believe me. I am just bullsh1tting and demonstrating the method of "if you can't convince them, confuse them!"

But I did indeed get an improved mileage of 20km... now do you call that a positive user review or what? haha....

 

:dot:

[xiaobanz]

Woah that's cool. Luckily that bottle of octane booster if free when i repaired by bike the other time. But good information provide there man. I only pump 92 or 95 on my bike so i think i should be ok.

 

But some suggest that you should pump higher octane petrol like V-power or Caltex platinum to clean your engine. Should it be done or juz leave it as it is.

[James996]

Maybe this will help.

 

Its a issue of fuel in the paper sometime ago.

20070901100153166.pdf

[kenzie]

looks like i going to use esso 95

[VaraStormer]

If the bike manual stated min 95? Should I pump Esso 95 or 98?

[slutgarden]

If the bike manual stated min 95? Should I pump Esso 95 or 98?

 

95 would do just great, unless you want to waste money on 98..

 

higher octane doesn't mean more power. keep that in mind.

 

last time i used to have this mindset.

 

92 - bad fuel

95 - ok ok fuel

98 - good fuel

vpower/platinum - v.good fuel

 

now, 92 feels good on my ta150. and also , i dare not use 92 for my bike as i got the feeling of LOSING FACE when paying at the cashier.

 

hahahaha. young and stupid.

 

well if the bike manual says 95 is good, then it is good.

 

btw, one question though, v power says it helps to clean with immediate effect?. true?. how to check?. carbon deposits?.

[Refugee]

actually more often then not, the problem with me pumping 95 or 98 lies in the size of the fuel tank...

 

last night just went to pump petrol... full 8 litres of it... esso 5000 (aka 95).

 

then i realised that if i pump 95, as opposed to 98, i save around 60 cents per tank (which IMO is just the price of a cup of kopi-peng).

 

if i drive a car with 45 litres tank... i might consider 95 as a daily fuel...

 

btw... some JDM engines require ron98 petrol... right?

[Strong Eagle]

But some suggest that you should pump higher octane petrol like V-power or Caltex platinum to clean your engine. Should it be done or juz leave it as it is.

 

I think in the past this would be a true statement. Petrol producers indeed did put more cleaning chemicals in premium fuel. But in the US at least that has changed and refiners are now required to put the same cleaners in all levels of petrol in order to cut pollution and increase efficiency. May or may not be true in Singapore.

[craz_03]

den nsr sp pump ron92 can anot???

[ozzarhomb]

den nsr sp pump ron92 can anot???

definitely, i would believe all honda Thailand bikes can take RON92 comfortably since their requirement is RON91. :smile:

[ozzarhomb]

I think in the past this would be a true statement. Petrol producers indeed did put more cleaning chemicals in premium fuel. But in the US at least that has changed and refiners are now required to put the same cleaners in all levels of petrol in order to cut pollution and increase efficiency. May or may not be true in Singapore.

if they do the same in Singapore, i would think they will emplace another price hike on petrol. Dun think that many people would like that to happen. :faint:

[brack]

tat means whether there is octane or no octane the response still the same?? so petrol wise all petrol about the same?? very blur..

[VaraStormer]

95 would do just great, unless you want to waste money on 98..

 

higher octane doesn't mean more power. keep that in mind.

 

last time i used to have this mindset.

 

92 - bad fuel

95 - ok ok fuel

98 - good fuel

vpower/platinum - v.good fuel

 

now, 92 feels good on my ta150. and also , i dare not use 92 for my bike as i got the feeling of LOSING FACE when paying at the cashier.

 

hahahaha. young and stupid.

 

well if the bike manual says 95 is good, then it is good.

 

btw, one question though, v power says it helps to clean with immediate effect?. true?. how to check?. carbon deposits?.

 

I'm just confused that it said minimum 95, so I thought that means I can pump either ESSO 5000 or 8000? I'm riding X8 scooter, so which is better then? :cheeky:

[xiaobanz]

Haha after i read this post here i only pump 95 now. Lolz. About Every 2 months will pump v-power. Lolz.

[brack]

haha... all 98 have hit $2+... very scary... think will jus pump 95 is enough... as long as u take good care of bike, performance wise sure no problem... so rather save tat little money and top in better EO other stuff etc...