Hypothetical Scenario

[aidan]

A good friend of yours keep pestering you to fetch him somewhere. You declined many times. But in the end, you still fetch him because he is a good friend and you don't want it to strain your friendship.

 

On the way going out, due to your own fault, you skidded. Both of you not injured but bike repair costs, say, $1000. You only have 3rd party insurance. no other vehicle/people involved in this accident.

 

So, the question is, who should bear the cost of repair? And if split, how much for each party?

[.Hack]

If its the rider's fault, the rider should bear all costs for the repair. Why would the rider wants his pillion to pay or share the cost for the repairs? Doesn't make any sense to me. Be glad that both the rider and pillion are okie, the senario will be worse if the pillion is injured.

[Lion]

Dude, you make your bed you sleep in it... If the accident was caused by your own error of judgement, then there is no reason you should ask your pillion to shoulder the cost of damage.

 

By asking him to bear the cost or even half of it, you are seriously straining the friendship.

[Lion]

A good friend of yours keep pestering you to fetch him somewhere. You declined many times. But in the end, you still fetch him because he is a good friend and you don't want it to strain your friendship.

 

On the way going out, due to your own fault, you skidded. Both of you not injured but bike repair costs, say, $1000. You only have 3rd party insurance. no other vehicle/people involved in this accident.

 

So, the question is, who should bear the cost of repair? And if split, how much for each party?

 

Enough said...

[aidan]

What if the rider argues that he wouldnt have gotten into the accident in the first place if the pillion had not pestered him to fetch him?

[nebulaz]

yah...y pillion must pay sia? unless he did sumthin to cause this accident, den might be la..if not, YOU answer for ya own actions la...cheers...

[Lion]

What if the rider argues that he wouldnt have gotten into the accident in the first place if the pillion had not pestered him to fetch him?

 

Well, you could have not fetch him at all and still got into an accident. Or you could have fetch him and still got into an accident. Both ways, the cause of the accident was your error in judgement and not because he pesters you to fetch. I hope you get the point.

[aidan]

Well, my thinking is exactly the same as you guys..

 

actually it was a car accident. 5 of us in the car, driver was a girl. her bf sitting in front. all of us are good frens. We asked her to drive because all of us were either too drunk to drive, or cannot drive legally.

 

And then due to her own poor judgement and inexperience, she crashed the car. None of us are injured, but the projected repair cost is very high.

 

Now her bf is claiming she shouldnt need to pay cause we made her drive. and then the cost should be divided amongst us four equally.

 

I think this is very unfair. Am i wrong?

[Guest Eason]

i think all should pay for the damage

[.Hack]

Now her bf is claiming she shouldnt need to pay cause we made her drive. and then the cost should be divided amongst us four equally.

 

I think this is very unfair. Am i wrong?

 

I feel the bf is ridiculous. His gf drive, got into accident, its her fault and wants to share the blame on everyone? The person behind the wheel is in control of everything, if you say she got into an accident caused by other vehicles, i have nothing to say. But this accident is due to her wrong judgement, think that sums it all up.

[loufu]

but who in the 1st place ask the gal to fetch u all??

[kucari]

imho...

in both cases...rightfully the one at the wheels/bar should pay...but its only basic decency that the pillions chip in...

[Arcfire]

If the ger din wan to drive, she could have said so.

 

Also, unless the drunk guys were doing things in the car that distracted her, there is no reason for the others to pay.

 

But i would say, the guys in the car should chip in a bit as a small gesture if they really pester until the ger pek chek but in no way split the cost equally.

[aidan]

but who in the 1st place ask the gal to fetch u all??

 

It happened like this.

 

patricia - driver

james - driver's bf

cathy - owner of car

shaun - backseat passenger

me - back seat passenger

kenny - designated driver but did not drive(went home by cab cos drunk)

 

we all went clubbing. we appointed kenny to be the driver cos cathy was determined to get drunk that night. but kenny got drunk too. me and james got no license. so we asked patricia (sober and got license) to drive. She said ok.

 

Then patricia crashed the car, really due to her lack of experience and poor judgement. we were travelling at 70-80km/h on a major road(4 lane) and then she realised we had to turn left(she not very familiar with the route). she turned sharply into the bend, but the car was severely understeered. crashed into divider. no one injured.

 

now james claimed that patricia should not pay. and the rest of us divide the cost of repair, with cathy paying a bigger portion because its her car and that she was the party organiser. and james said that kenny should pay too cos he was the designated driver.

 

what do you guys think of this?

[Caramon]

IMHO if patricia agrees to drive, it's her fault. As the driver/rider, it's your responsibility to ensure that your passenger/pillion reaches the destination safely. If you cannot ensure that or not confident to do it, don't do it.

 

If james don't want her gf to be the driver, say no in the first place. don't come pushing the blame after the incident.

 

just my 2yen worth...

[.Hack]

now james claimed that patricia should not pay. and the rest of us divide the cost of repair, with cathy paying a bigger portion because its her car and that she was the party organiser. and james said that kenny should pay too cos he was the designated driver.

 

Ha.. Why don't you tell him next time he got car lend it to your, you got into an accident, he pay 70% and you pay 30% of the repair bill? Since he said owner of car should pay bigger portion. Sorry dude, but i can't stop myself from laughing when i see this post.

 

What you can do is stay firm with your friends and don't pay the repair bill since it's not your fault. Or you can just pay the $ that James requested. Either way there will be unhappy party.

[minorsage]

Patricia should pay too because it is her fault that the car crashed.

 

I feel the poor guy/girl is the organizer and owner of the car.

All the freeloaders who want to save on taxi fares, chose to take the car.

 

We always have a assigned driver when we go out to party or drinking sessions. All of us drive so the skills and understanding is there.

 

If there is any accident, ALL the passengers will chip in equally and share the costs. Usually we won't let the owner of the car pay a single cent, because he/she have be kind enough to volunteer to be the driver. And suffer the inconvenience of repairing his car.

 

This is not a clear-cut case of "should pay or should not". you have to search your conscience lor.

[aidan]

What you can do is stay firm with your friends and don't pay the repair bill since it's not your fault. Or you can just pay the $ that James requested. Either way there will be unhappy party.

 

The world class thing James said was, if we dont pay then he and his gf will play punk and dont pay anything cos ultimately it is cathy's car and cathy will then have to pay everything.

[minorsage]

don't understand passengers nowadays.

 

want to sit free car ride, but don't want to pay a single cent.

 

just wondering, when you all go out for fun til late night.

 

the kind driver sends everyone home one-by-one,.

 

when he reached home, the rest already showered and sleeping.

do you guys even pass him/her $10 each?

that is much cheaper than paying the mid-night charges of a taxi.

[.Hack]

The world class thing James said was, if we dont pay then he and his gf will play punk and dont pay anything cos ultimately it is cathy's car and cathy will then have to pay everything.

 

Then all of you don't have much choice, do you?

 

1) Don't pay and let poor cathy pay all by herself.

2) All chip in and pay the repairs, with cathy getting the bigger share.

 

Since it already comes to such terms, just share the bill lor. At least you now know what type of person this James is, your so called good friend.

[aidan]

don't understand passengers nowadays.

 

want to sit free car ride, but don't want to pay a single cent.

 

just wondering, when you all go out for fun til late night.

 

the kind driver sends everyone home one-by-one,.

 

when he reached home, the rest already showered and sleeping.

do you guys even pass him/her $10 each?

that is much cheaper than paying the mid-night charges of a taxi.

 

For me, i dont quantify frienships like that. Personally i dont feel any guilt when i take a free ride because I always pack supper for them and sometimes i dont collect the money from them. I mean, friendship is all about giving and taking. And the balance is hard to achieve, thus when you have really close friends, you have to treasure them.

 

In this incident, I am very disappointed with James because what he did and said was very insensitive and 'unbrother' to me.

 

But i agree with you that drivers suffer alot due to those freeloaders. Sigh

[Arcfire]

It happened like this.

 

patricia - driver

james - driver's bf

cathy - owner of car

shaun - backseat passenger

me - back seat passenger

kenny - designated driver but did not drive(went home by cab cos drunk)

 

we all went clubbing. we appointed kenny to be the driver cos cathy was determined to get drunk that night. but kenny got drunk too. me and james got no license. so we asked patricia (sober and got license) to drive. She said ok.

 

Then patricia crashed the car, really due to her lack of experience and poor judgement. we were travelling at 70-80km/h on a major road(4 lane) and then she realised we had to turn left(she not very familiar with the route). she turned sharply into the bend, but the car was severely understeered. crashed into divider. no one injured.

 

now james claimed that patricia should not pay. and the rest of us divide the cost of repair, with cathy paying a bigger portion because its her car and that she was the party organiser. and james said that kenny should pay too cos he was the designated driver.

 

what do you guys think of this?

 

Like the other bros have mentioned before, if patricia didn't wan to drive, she could have voiced out. And if she was inexperienced, why was she going at that speed knowing that she does not know the roads well. Its her inexperience that caused the accident, not you guys.

 

Similarly, since james was the v-com, he should have kept his eyes on the road especially since he knew his gf was not experienced. So he is more at fault(if you wanted to argue based on his logic).

 

The poor one should be cathy, i would think sharing part of the cost of repairs is the right thing to do but patricia should bear the most part of the cost.

 

Either that its a civil lawsuit( Since james wants to play punk)

[Vonmuck]

For me, i dont quantify frienships like that. Personally i dont feel any guilt when i take a free ride because I always pack supper for them and sometimes i dont collect the money from them. I mean, friendship is all about giving and taking. And the balance is hard to achieve, thus when you have really close friends, you have to treasure them.

 

In this incident, I am very disappointed with James because what he did and said was very insensitive and 'unbrother' to me.

 

But i agree with you that drivers suffer alot due to those freeloaders. Sigh

 

i will say it's unfair to ask Patricia to pay fully for the damages.

 

why the rest of the passengers don't offer to pay too?

 

just share the costs equally and forget about the matter.

[Arcfire]

Personally i don't think you should call James a friend at all......

[aidan]

i will say it's unfair to ask Patricia to pay fully for the damages.

 

why the rest of the passengers don't offer to pay too?

 

just share the costs equally and forget about the matter.

 

My point was not to argue that Patricia should pay everything. In fact, if you read carefully, i was just unhappy with James' demands. Infact, me shaun and kenny are prepared to come out with a sum of money to help out. And now, whatever amount of money each of us have to fork out doesnt matter anymore.

The friendship is already broken and will be hard to rebuild.

 

And this saying is so true, guys will only fight over two things; money and women.