[Group] Singapore BAJAJ Team (SBT)

[mjbs64]

well, it's not the cleaning agent i'm worried, more about the technique call flushing. if u know how flushing works, they pump the agent in the opposite way ur eo is suppose to go. so if u pour ur eo from top and leak from bottom, and the gears suppose to turn in clockwise with the eo, flushing will do the opposite, meaning the agent pumped from bottom, force the valve to open in the opposite direction, gears to turn the other way. thus u see the danger if the valve is one way and the residue pumped up somehow blocks it, it might cause more damage. somehow i agree with the experts and various manufacturer. if i found there's low maintainence done, i rather follow the slow way, using better oil+addictives and change more regularly. however it's up to individual, unless i know fully how bajaj engine works and how flushing really helps, i'll stay away. because end of the day if the mechanic opens up and found certain parts torn, usually blames on wear n tear after prolong usage, they wont know if u've done flushing b4 and the effects might not show immed.

 

my 2 c.

 

Agreed 100%. ... and it's up to individual to opt for. Experts must come with facts and figures. That's why I stated of all the lots if the said products will damage the engine, for surely there is a complaint filed some where here.

Truely yes we do not know the reality of bajaj engine since we have limited resources here in singapore but lucky for us, our neighbouring countries dare to take up the challenge to open the bike and shared with us online. Using their expertise, now we have the comfort to at least know some a bit about our bike on what to do or not to.

Reasons why I bring in XAdo products and Tora2 which they have used the products till now and found it's worth the small investment. Nevertheless too one need to try it to see if it's really works ... will never know result if we never make a move.

So far I've used this products and found it's worth. Will see more results when times come when I need to open up my engine and will see the outcome for reality then.

Just for info here.. Malaysia also started to bring in Xado products and it station in KL. Gaban has made the effort to enquire from them about the prices but sad to say the prices are much higher than from indon where we brought in by mass order.

 

End the topic ... which product to use or not to .... hehehhe borrowed from ala Transformers qoute .. "One shall try and one shall not! Autobots transform and will see lah ... " kekekeekekekkeke

[Ah_Pet]

Yeah it's hard to tell. To be safe, if it's not included in the official maintenance checklist I would say it's not needed. I'm sure the manufacturer knows their own bikes best.

 

2nd option is that maybe flush with mineral EO run in like 50km or one full tank of fuel then change EO again.

[ORen]

Questions about the bike:

 

1. Is the dashboard + Windshield assembly meant to be fully water proof or is it normal to have a slight space between the two ?

2. How do you adjust the mirrors stand ? When I turn it it always ends fully screwed in a weird angle, is there a trick on how to adjust the mirror stand into the bolt ?

3. If the handlebar damper is to remove some of the vibration, isn't it a bad idea to mount anything on it ? A lot of bikers do that..(GPS, Camera..)

4. Aside from the chain, is there any other parts that are good to lubricate ? Any bolts or parts that can use some oil on a regular basis ?

5. How often do you clean the brake shoe pads and the inside of the brake assembly ?

[ORen]

double bubble

Edited November 24, 2010 by O'Ren

[Ah_Pet]

eh bros, die la. i parked at footway just now for 10minutes only kena fine. !&*^!(^@%!(&!%@)(!&!

 

how ah? can appeal? i park just to collect something from my friend sia.. help...

 

if i'm not wrong. parking at footway is $100.

agree that 1st time appeal will have more chance but if reason not a good wan. the most they will cut the price abit like $80 or $70 only.

 

one trick that i teach from a friend when kenna at footway or under block. call BIKE TOW asap. ask them give receipt stating that bike breakdown and then appeal. mostly can waive it off. for just $20~$25.

[mjbs64]

2nd option is that maybe flush with mineral EO run in like 50km or one full tank of fuel then change EO again.

 

bro ... I don't understand ley ... can explain more heheheheh

 

 

Arthur ... sorry forgot lah .. the word "they pump ..." who is they ... the mech or the product?

For motorcycles the process of engine flushing is just simply pour in the chemical and run in the engine for around 10 - 20 mins, then drained out all the contents before pour in the new EO.

For xado anti carbon, if needs to use for flushing is just simply the same, before draining out the old eo. simply squeeze in the content from the small tube and idle run the engine (flushing process cannot by shifting the gears to run the engine) for the said time. Then later drained out all the excess before pouring in the new eo. Simple as that if chemical is not to worry about. judt for info Xado products are patented.

 

opps soory totalpet .. borrowing your thread... . kekekeke

Edited November 24, 2010 by mjbs64

[mjbs64]

if i'm not wrong. parking at footway is $100.

agree that 1st time appeal will have more chance but if reason not a good wan. the most they will cut the price abit like $80 or $70 only.

 

one trick that i teach from a friend when kenna at footway or under block. call BIKE TOW asap. ask them give receipt stating that bike breakdown and then appeal. mostly can waive it off. for just $20~$25.

 

then how much to pay for the receipts .. cannot free one rite? hehehe

[mjbs64]

Questions about the bike:

 

1. Is the dashboard + Windshield assembly meant to be fully water proof or is it normal to have a slight space between the two ?

2. How do you adjust the mirrors stand ? When I turn it it always ends fully screwed in a weird angle, is there a trick on how to adjust the mirror stand into the bolt ?

3. If the handlebar damper is to remove some of the vibration, isn't it a bad idea to mount anything on it ? A lot of bikers do that..(GPS, Camera..)

4. Aside from the chain, is there any other parts that are good to lubricate ? Any bolts or parts that can use some oil on a regular basis ?

5. How often do you clean the brake shoe pads and the inside of the brake assembly ?

 

1: unless you ride benelli adiva sccoter kekeke... http://www.drdisk.com.hk/images/benelli_adiva.jpg

 

2: yours AhBoy one .. so I not sure kekeke

 

3: can elaborate more on .. I don''t get you?

 

4: All metal joints and moveable parts need to lubricate to prevent rust. Plastic and rubber parts need to moisturize.

 

5: Just blow whenever it's necessary, if sound occured and really too irritating then feel free to go UM and open the wheel drum to check and clean .. $5 labour the most I think for tyre and wheel problem.

[Ah_Pet]

bro ... I don't understand ley ... can explain more heheheheh

 

 

Arthur ... sorry forgot lah .. the word "they pump ..." who is they ... the mech or the product?

For motorcycles the process of engine flushing is just simply pour in the chemical and run in the engine for around 10 - 20 mins, then drained out all the contents before pour in the new EO.

For xado anti carbon, if needs to use for flushing is just simply the same, before draining out the old eo. simply squeeze in the content from the small tube and idle run the engine (flushing process cannot by shifting the gears to run the engine) for the said time. Then later drained out all the excess before pouring in the new eo. Simple as that if chemical is not to worry about. judt for info Xado products are patented.

 

opps soory totalpet .. borrowing your thread... . kekekeke

 

same, but flush with cheap EO only.

but i feel that letting the EO run in the engine awhile will be better.

 

care to explain y engine flush cant shift gear, only can idle it?

 

then how much to pay for the receipts .. cannot free one rite? hehehe

 

if can just buy the receipt.

but my friend called tow and paid $20 but nv tow the bike up the lorry. only ask for receipt.

[ORen]

1: unless you ride benelli adiva sccoter kekeke... http://www.drdisk.com.hk/images/benelli_adiva.jpg

 

2: yours AhBoy one .. so I not sure kekeke

 

3: can elaborate more on .. I don''t get you?

 

4: All metal joints and moveable parts need to lubricate to prevent rust. Plastic and rubber parts need to moisturize.

 

5: Just blow whenever it's necessary, if sound occured and really too irritating then feel free to go UM and open the wheel drum to check and clean .. $5 labour the most I think for tyre and wheel problem.

 

1: ok so it's ok to have some space btween the dashboard plastic and the windshield ?

2: Motoworld actually, but I thought all mirrors are fixed the same way, by screwing in their stand ?

3 : the bar you put in between your hadnlebar, the blue one you have, it's supposed to help reduce vibration, yeah ? Well, a lot of people use it to mount devices on their bikes like a GPS or Camera and I am wondering if that makes sense because it's like sending all the vibrations to the devices !

4&5: thanks !

[SC Gaban]

Roadtrip to gunung Ledang Waterfall and Melaka 11-12 Dec 2010

Dates no confirmed as i hav yet to look for a hotel. The problem is I cant book a hotel in advance cos I dun have a credit or debit card. That’s why I need at least a weeks confirmation of anyone whose interested. Anyone who got better suggestions are more than welcome to voice out.

 

Hotel accomodation costs: $60-70. I will try to look for cheaper hotels with well secured carparks.

 

Speed: 90-100km/h

Total distance will be covering: about 450km

Attire: safety gear is most recommended

We will ride very 70km and rest.

 

Those who are going:

 

1) Gaban

2) Phantom Hellfire

[arthur_chan]

if i'm not wrong. parking at footway is $100.

agree that 1st time appeal will have more chance but if reason not a good wan. the most they will cut the price abit like $80 or $70 only.

 

one trick that i teach from a friend when kenna at footway or under block. call BIKE TOW asap. ask them give receipt stating that bike breakdown and then appeal. mostly can waive it off. for just $20~$25.

 

no no, footway fine is $70 fixed, 1st time, 2nd time, every time also same.

 

hdb void deck diff, i think 1st time $70-$100, 2nd time $200, 3rd time $100 (dont know the exact but it's incremental)

 

for the tow trick, it might not work everytime, like in the hotspot orchard area. i've heard ppl who really bike spoilt got recept also get summoned. reason being if ur bike spoilt, u're suppose to stay with ur bike until the tow comes. the summon officer see ur bike there and nobody there means u parked there.

Edited November 24, 2010 by arthur_chan

[arthur_chan]

bro ... I don't understand ley ... can explain more heheheheh

 

 

Arthur ... sorry forgot lah .. the word "they pump ..." who is they ... the mech or the product?

For motorcycles the process of engine flushing is just simply pour in the chemical and run in the engine for around 10 - 20 mins, then drained out all the contents before pour in the new EO.

For xado anti carbon, if needs to use for flushing is just simply the same, before draining out the old eo. simply squeeze in the content from the small tube and idle run the engine (flushing process cannot by shifting the gears to run the engine) for the said time. Then later drained out all the excess before pouring in the new eo. Simple as that if chemical is not to worry about. judt for info Xado products are patented.

 

opps soory totalpet .. borrowing your thread... . kekekeke

 

oh isit? cos i read the car flushing is different, if just pour i guess ok.

 

i dont know how motorcycle flushing work, but car flushing requires a machine. if u read about how car flushing works, it really is quite scarry.

Edited November 24, 2010 by arthur_chan

[harumonia]

3 : the bar you put in between your hadnlebar, the blue one you have, it's supposed to help reduce vibration, yeah ? Well, a lot of people use it to mount devices on their bikes like a GPS or Camera and I am wondering if that makes sense because it's like sending all the vibrations to the devices !

 

No Physics expert here but I think the handlebar brace takes as much vibration as the rest of the handlebar/handle/bar ends. The vibrations are distributed throughout that portion of the bike pretty much evenly. How much vibration each component absorbs depends on the material.

 

Since handlebar braces are mostly made of the same material as the handlebar I would think mounting devices onto the handlebar brace is no different than mounting them onto the handlebar itself. If let's say your handlebar brace is made of say... rubber, then it will absorb even more vibrations, thus protecting your mounted electronics better than the metallic alloy handlebar. But do correct me if I'm wrong.

[mjbs64]

same, but flush with cheap EO only.

but i feel that letting the EO run in the engine awhile will be better.

 

care to explain y engine flush cant shift gear, only can idle it?

 

 

if can just buy the receipt.

but my friend called tow and paid $20 but nv tow the bike up the lorry. only ask for receipt.

 

to use eo only for flushing does not do the job cos there is no cleaning agent in the eo. Flushing are meant to dispose all the dirty parts in the engine... simple terms like scrubbing. So if you want to use eo only you need to add a liitle bit of kerosine since kerosine is safe for lubrications like wd40.

 

To shift gears meaning you need to rev the engine .. rules for flushing NEVER rev your engine! Motorcycles parts are very delicate and sensitif especially our clutch plates .. that's is why flushing are not recomended by some mechanics and shops. (But yet again there's another hidden agenda from the mech and workshop... buisness strategy! Flushing cheaper, to open and clean more money in ...) Idle run are will not force the chemical to over scrub the engine parts and to rev the engine meaning you are forcing the chemicals . this will eventually damage the engine parts. Sorry I tried to google the article wher I've read before but I can't find it .. will do if I find it later.

Similar like our teeth, we cannot force to brush our teeth to make it white. .. it's a wrong way and I suffered becos of that! My tooth nerve damaged and the tooth needs to be extracted becos of the way I brushed my teeth.

 

hmm $20 for a receipt .. will try that too heheheehhe

[arthur_chan]

Roadtrip to gunung Ledang Waterfall and Melaka 11-12 Dec 2010

 

see how, teh tarik 24/11 still on mj? pls post details.

[arthur_chan]

Similar like our teeth, we cannot force to brush our teeth to make it white. .. it's a wrong way and I suffered becos of that! My tooth nerve damaged and the tooth needs to be extracted becos of the way I brushed my teeth.

 

that's how i felt with regs to how car flushing works, i tot motorcycle flush works the same way.

 

if flushing is pouring the agent n let the engine run, wont using better eo possibly + additives and chg more regularly works the same way? like u dont brush regularly, rather than let dentist do the painful job, change ur habbit, brush more regularly, use better toohbrush, use mouth wash, floss, etc.

[arthur_chan]

No Physics expert here but I think the handlebar brace takes as much vibration as the rest of the handlebar/handle/bar ends. The vibrations are distributed throughout that portion of the bike pretty much evenly. How much vibration each component absorbs depends on the material.

 

Since handlebar braces are mostly made of the same material as the handlebar I would think mounting devices onto the handlebar brace is no different than mounting them onto the handlebar itself. If let's say your handlebar brace is made of say... rubber, then it will absorb even more vibrations, thus protecting your mounted electronics better than the metallic alloy handlebar. But do correct me if I'm wrong.

 

not too sure how the vibration works, but i know for sure electronic device like mp3, gps, etc which dont have moving parts can take certain vibration without causing problems. however like portable hdd, is a no no, confirm spoilt.

[ORen]

Roadtrip to gunung Ledang Waterfall and Melaka 11-12 Dec 2010

Dates no confirmed as i hav yet to look for a hotel. The problem is I cant book a hotel in advance cos I dun have a credit or debit card. That’s why I need at least a weeks confirmation of anyone whose interested. Anyone who got better suggestions are more than welcome to voice out.

 

Hotel accomodation costs: $60-70. I will try to look for cheaper hotels with well secured carparks.

 

Speed: 90-100km/h

Total distance will be covering: about 450km

Attire: safety gear is most recommended

We will ride very 70km and rest.

 

Those who are going:

 

1) Gaban

2) Phantom Hellfire

3) O'Ren + Pillionette

[mjbs64]

that's how i felt with regs to how car flushing works, i tot motorcycle flush works the same way.

 

if flushing is pouring the agent n let the engine run, wont using better eo possibly + additives and chg more regularly works the same way? like u dont brush regularly, rather than let dentist do the painful job, change ur habbit, brush more regularly, use better toohbrush, use mouth wash, floss, etc.

 

wkwkwkwkwkwwk ... if that's the case then all dentist will close down their clinics and change profession kekekekeke

 

of all said ... in the very first place MAINTAIN THE BIKE according to the manual from day 1, then this issue of flushing engines won't surface... hehehe

 

ok do remember what ever you want to use for your engine, use ONLY products stated for MOTORCYCLES ONLY! and use only the brand that are well known and have patented licence and yes I still believed for OWS and Xado products it still ok to use if necessary.

 

Even AMsoil do not allowed their flushing product for motocycles .. http://www.enhancedsyntheticoil.com/AMSOIL_Engine_Flush.htm

 

For additives .. I've posted on Tora Tora relatively recomended by the Bajaj Dealer Chief mechanic in Indonesia.

Edited November 24, 2010 by mjbs64

[mjbs64]

Roadtrip to gunung Ledang Waterfall and Melaka 11-12 Dec 2010

Dates no confirmed as i hav yet to look for a hotel. The problem is I cant book a hotel in advance cos I dun have a credit or debit card. That’s why I need at least a weeks confirmation of anyone whose interested. Anyone who got better suggestions are more than welcome to voice out.

 

Hotel accomodation costs: $60-70. I will try to look for cheaper hotels with well secured carparks.

 

Speed: 90-100km/h

Total distance will be covering: about 450km

Attire: safety gear is most recommended

We will ride very 70km and rest.

 

Those who are going:

 

1) Gaban

2) Phantom Hellfire

3) O'Ren + Pillionette

 

 

Can probably make it on end of Dec !! ... your date I'm fully occupied!

[mjbs64]

see how, teh tarik 24/11 still on mj? pls post details.

 

AMK I'm ON ..... why not your turn to horn horn the details for meet up tnite. always me .. ppl also get bored hahahahahaha

[ORen]

Roadtrip to gunung Ledang Waterfall and Melaka 11-12 Dec 2010

Dates no confirmed as i hav yet to look for a hotel. The problem is I cant book a hotel in advance cos I dun have a credit or debit card.

 

I can help paying / booking for the hotel in advance with a credit card. If that makes it easier to organize, let me know, I'm happy to help.

But we would still need to know how many pax so we don't overpay and people can't make it.

 

As per MJ post, I am ok for a later date in Dec too.

[ORen]

Roadtrip to gunung Ledang Waterfall and Melaka 11-12 Dec 2010

Dates no confirmed as i hav yet to look for a hotel. The problem is I cant book a hotel in advance cos I dun have a credit or debit card.

 

I can help paying / booking for the hotel in advance with a credit card. If that makes it easier to organize, let me know, I'm happy to help.

But we would still need to know how many pax so we don't overpay and people can't make it.

 

As per MJ post, I am ok for a later date in Dec too.

[SC Gaban]

Can probably make it on end of Dec !! ... your date I'm fully occupied!

 

so when u free?