LTA should refund ERP money for causing jams

[vfrT]

Simple premise: ERP was implemented to ensure smooth flow of traffic, that is we pay, LTA gives smooth traffic. SIMPLE CONTRACT.

BUT if after paying, we still get clogged roads and bumper to bumper traffic, especially if it is caused by road works ordered by the LTA or NParks. Isn't LTA then in breach?

 

Case in point: I saw this huge traffic jam at eastbound ECP on the Benjamin Sheares bridge at 6.30 pm a few days ago. It was caused by road works at the crown of the bridge! Why are they messing with road works at the peak evening traffic right after the ERP gantry? If this is not stupid ... Hence in this case, how can the LTA still deduct money for jam caused by them?

[RYANS]

agreee.. its totally pissing us

[AJ..]

i used to have smooth ride along CTE-PIE towards Tampines everytime after 9pm...now....if i enters the highway around 11pm go through the jam from kallang all the way to Tampines...bumper to bumper...i don't care now if my alu sidecases will smash anyones sidemirror...go claim from the gahment...

[kwanheng]

Simple premise: ERP was implemented to ensure smooth flow of traffic, that is we pay, LTA gives smooth traffic. SIMPLE CONTRACT.

BUT if after paying, we still get clogged roads and bumper to bumper traffic, especially if it is caused by road works ordered by the LTA or NParks. Isn't LTA then in breach?

 

Case in point: I saw this huge traffic jam at eastbound ECP on the Benjamin Sheares bridge at 6.30 pm a few days ago. It was caused by road works at the crown of the bridge! Why are they messing with road works at the peak evening traffic right after the ERP gantry? If this is not stupid ... Hence in this case, how can the LTA still deduct money for jam caused by them?

 

yes they should pay us back the flow of traffic is not smooth at all " ERP is to inprove the flow of traffic"7pm to 8 pm somerset to tampinese big jam !! damn angry with stupid taxi.

[jB]

in favour like my signature says it

[Constipated Face]

If the gahmen does give you money, you can be sure that it'll take a lot more from you later.... Hahahaha

[Simmz]

totally no help at all. they encourage us to work hard. but what do we get? in the end they show us by how hard working they are by making us having a hard time.. suffering

there's this quote "Life is short, play hard"

to me i would say "Life is already hard enough, pay harder inorder to play smarter"

[NightPhantom]

increase the price of cars... and decrease ERP... why make cars available for any tom **** and harry? youngsters watch initial D, den they take their father's vios and anyhow drive.. killing themselves....

 

i hope COE go back to its $30k region... and motorcyle to its $1 region... hahaha!!

[Pell]

Simple premise: ERP was implemented to ensure smooth flow of traffic, that is we pay, LTA gives smooth traffic. SIMPLE CONTRACT.

BUT if after paying, we still get clogged roads and bumper to bumper traffic, especially if it is caused by road works ordered by the LTA or NParks. Isn't LTA then in breach?

 

Case in point: I saw this huge traffic jam at eastbound ECP on the Benjamin Sheares bridge at 6.30 pm a few days ago. It was caused by road works at the crown of the bridge! Why are they messing with road works at the peak evening traffic right after the ERP gantry? If this is not stupid ... Hence in this case, how can the LTA still deduct money for jam caused by them?

 

refund erp money due to jam? yeah right, more like they will increase the erp to solve that

[denniz]

how abt increase the ERP charging rate(like mad) for 4 wheelers and above and reduce motorcycle charging rate to a 1 or 2 cents...?

[super_marvel]

this is how a smart gahmen work

 

lower the COE price, so that more and more people can afford cars.

then you raise the ERP charges so that you can recoup back the loss of your COE sales from the ERP earnings.

then you release a press statement saying that ERP is meant to control traffic flow.

but deep inside, you hope (and know) that once people got a car, they confirm will drive the car out rather than park it at carpark all day long.

so the moment they drive out of the carpark, *beep* money deducted from cashcard.

once people start to complain about ERP rates, then you raise another statement to say you should pay for the price you use. the more convenient the road will let you arrive at your place, the higher the charges will be.

 

so overall, the purpose of implementing ERP is to create inconvenience for everyone who are slaving to earn every cents to contribute to the country's GDP. and surprisingly, they believe that's how a country should develop.

[Simmz]

place is small, easy to eat money. we can only work harder inorder to fulfill their desire..

[Silent Hunter]

how abt increase the ERP charging rate(like mad) for 4 wheelers and above and reduce motorcycle charging rate to a 1 or 2 cents...?

 

Agreed, for the ERP to work, the price has to be high enough to deter people from using the road.

 

If the ERP is say $10 per gantry for cars, I am sure it will work.

Most people will not be willing or able to pay $30 per trip for 3 gantries on the CTE.

Therefore CTE will certainly not Jam.

 

But if 1 gantry $1, then many people will still be willing or able to pay the $3 for the use of CTE during the rush hour.

 

Therefore CTE will still jam even though the ERP is still collecting money for the gavernment.

 

But why are the authorities not rising the price when the answer to the CTE jam is so simple and easy to implement?

The answer is obvious isn't it?

[racingter]

place is small, easy to eat money. we can only work harder inorder to fulfill their desire..

 

Like wat money no enough 2 says...other garment take money from their people...ours "sucks" money from our People...our reserves is one of the highest in the world.

[ASTRADA]

they should fix a gantry in their personal office @ LTA too... n one rite at the entrance of parliament house....

[bernardk]

hahaha this is a very good thread. TS you got a very good point and everyone here also got a very good point. How come i stupidly didnt think of this. Hahaha.

 

And yesh i also hope car COE go 30k and bike $1 muahahahhaa...

[xiaoxiao]

i support this man.

 

its still super duper jam as ever at those ERP places.

 

refund refund refund refund!

[Simmz]

they should fix a gantry in their personal office @ LTA too... n one rite at the entrance of parliament house....

 

Practically there's one gantry outside the parliament house. What to do? This is SG. Get a life..

[Non Stop Racing]

erp in erp out system ? in from our pocket $ ,out to man in white salaries ^^.

[bernardk]

One at sixth avenue? :D:D:D Hahahahhaha

[Silent Hunter]

Yar hor, there traffic also always jam one!

[Bay]

One at sixth avenue? :D:D:D Hahahahhaha

 

Yar hor, there traffic also always jam one!

 

Hahaha. Yea, i agree. The whole stretch of bukit timah road rom King Albert Park all the way to little india

[Simmz]

SINGAPORE: Distance—based charging is the next step when it comes to road pricing in Singapore. This is where motorists are charged based on the distance they travel on congested roads, using GPS technology.

 

Currently, Singapore motorists are charged at specific points when they enter congested areas, using Electronic Road Pricing (ERP) gantries.

 

The Land Transport Authority (LTA) has been working with potential suppliers to test different satellite systems for the past couple of years. However, at the Urban Transport Leaders Summit on Wednesday, its chief engineer said there is no complete solution in sight yet.

 

Dr Chin Kian Keong, group director, Road Operations & Community, LTA, said: "No one system has been demonstrated to be working at integrated levels. So again, we have to take a cautious approach and watch what is happening in other countries."

 

No timeline has been set for moving to this next stage of road pricing.

 

Such fine—tuning where motorists pay for the problems they cause is getting increasingly common around the world, according to urban planners at the conference. For example, a pollution tax is what a few countries are suggesting.

 

Professor David Hensher, director, Institute of Transport & Logistics, University of Sydney, said: "You are driving your nice, fancy Mercedes car which has got eight cylinders and high litres per hundred kilometres, and you are paying no more per kilometre than someone driving a very fuel—efficient small car that’s taking up less road space and in fact, polluting the atmosphere far less."

 

Separately, LTA also signed a memorandum on Wednesday with six key partners to explore new solutions to urban transport problems.

[Simmz]

See how thoughtful they are..

[compfused]

They should just ban all vehicles from the face of this earth..Back to leg powered mode of transport..