Vios or lancer?

[jia_yvon]

tried out rx8's paddle shift juz now when driving my customer home

oni play like 10 mins i sianz with it liao

maybe bcoz i lazy... LOL

[GuiNNeSS]

tried out rx8's paddle shift juz now when driving my customer home

oni play like 10 mins i sianz with it liao

maybe bcoz i lazy... LOL

 

Like the power?

[MS]

Paddle shifts are very useful for fast driving on windy roads when you need to change gears fast and frequently. But you still need to have a stick shift by your side. This is because at times when you need to steer a lot to correct your vehicle movement, you sometimes lose concentration on which side is the correct paddle to press. When I was in the track, this problem was even more emphasized. When you turn your steering more than 1/2 a turn in the turns, try distinguishing the correct paddle in the split second In the end I have to change gears with the stick shift sometimes. But on the long term, paddle shifts proved to be very useful as it reduces fatigue over long hard drives like the track or long windy roads.

 

I drove the SLK200 from Schweinfurt to Austria and back over a weekend in June. The car may be fast and light, the gearbox however was a clutch pedalled 6 speed. Used it to join a group chase with a A6 and a 330D against a Targa on the Autobahn pushing up to 245kph with my roof on. The gearshifts bring about loads of fatigue. And what's more, when I screw up at the junctions, the extra effort to change gears was tremendously exhausting. And when I mean screw up it meant driving at the wrong side of the road. Germany is LHD. How I wished the gears were pedal shifts instead. You can imagine how a hassle-free gearbox aids driving pleasure.

[jia_yvon]

Like the power?

 

nv really speed, (i safety driver)

but the pick up of rx8 vs my lousy tussy is like r1 vs pocket bike

[jia_yvon]

partly i agree. coz when u speed up , u realyl need to hold the steering tightly with ur BOTH hands, hence the paddle shift will be much useful.

 

but civic 1 side is up n 1 side is down, rx8 one better. both side gt up n down. LOL.

[GuiNNeSS]

nah, it only proves one thing. the dude didn't do up his handling

[hydrop]

Try test drive the suzuki SX4 sedan, its got a giant boot and high quality fittings and value for money.

http://www.championmotors.com.sg/

[jia_yvon]

ya the handling sux. suspention very tight.. keep on bounce bounce.. damn dizzy.

[CMYRS]

i believe to each his own but paddle shifters are pointless to me.

 

nothing like a manual gearbox.

it is where it is supposed to be

 

eg. downshifting with one hand while steering with another

 

if your hands are on a part of the wheel where the gear shifters are not then what?

 

compromise and dont shift?

 

on f1 cars, yes they are great, speed of shifts very crucial and the style of racing suits it.

[MS]

i believe to each his own but paddle shifters are pointless to me.

 

nothing like a manual gearbox.

it is where it is supposed to be

 

eg. downshifting with one hand while steering with another

 

if your hands are on a part of the wheel where the gear shifters are not then what?

 

compromise and dont shift?

 

on f1 cars, yes they are great, speed of shifts very crucial and the style of racing suits it.

 

The paddle shifts existed in F1 because their gearboxes are electronically managed. Space is scarce that's why they need it. The primative Formula BMW have on the other hand a sequential shifting lever like a motorcycle and a clutch pedal. Well... Some people prefers the paddles some not. I think it is the best to have both on.

[CMYRS]

The paddle shifts existed in F1 because their gearboxes are electronically managed. Space is scarce that's why they need it. The primative Formula BMW have on the other hand a sequential shifting lever like a motorcycle and a clutch pedal. Well... Some people prefers the paddles some not. I think it is the best to have both on.

 

 

How many cars ever commercially produced have both a conventional gearbox and clutch plus paddle shifters?

 

It will be excellant to have both but unfortunately not feasible due to feedback from manufacturers market research.

 

Off the topic, I find paddle/button gear shifters better suited on a bike as hands usually remain on the handlebar and this reduces left footwork.

If you come to a halt with the left foot on the ground with the bike in neutral, no need to swap legs to get the bike back in first.......anyways....

[MS]

How many cars ever commercially produced have both a conventional gearbox and clutch plus paddle shifters?

 

It will be excellant to have both but unfortunately not feasible due to feedback from manufacturers market research.

 

Off the topic, I find paddle/button gear shifters better suited on a bike as hands usually remain on the handlebar and this reduces left footwork.

If you come to a halt with the left foot on the ground with the bike in neutral, no need to swap legs to get the bike back in first.......anyways....

 

Actually we do have it now in the market.

Alfa Romeo came up with the selespeed which uses a conventional gearbox but runs on a can bus and a gearbox ECU. There's a clutch and gearbox actuator which carries out the usual job of gear shifts when the driver hits the lever.

The BMW also have similar gearboxes called the SMG. Then came the LuK developed twin clutch which fits into the VAG DSG gearboxes used widely in VAG cars. These twin clutches eliminate the lag in gearshifts by having one of the clutch in charge of odd gears while the other incharge of even gears and reverse. The VW here in Singapore uses DSG gearboxes mainly for their pkw.

ZF SACHS later came up with the even more upgraded version capable of transferring more torque suitable for very powerful cars. The ZF DWC. It is now used widely in the new Porsche Carreras. These operate with a clutch pedal-less gearbox with both a lever and pedal shifts. The lever cannot be revoked as the lever need to account for park, sports mode and Neutral too. But manufacturers added in the pedal shifts to make it more interesting.

In fact, the ZF AS Tronic a commercial vehicle gearbox is also using a similar system. Normal automatic gearboxes uses a torque converter that operates with a planetary gearbox system. Torque converter works on a hydro dynamic principle which suffers hydraulic slip. The torque converter uses the 'splashing' motion of the ATF from the impeller to turbine to stator and repeat the action until the three almost works as one whereby the lock up clutch will engage and that's when it hits 2nd gear.

 

Heavy commerical vehicle requires a lot of troque to move loads and torque converters are not able to cater to such demands. That's why goes back to the good old clutches. The AS Tronic works like the BMW SMG, Alfa romeo selespeed whereby clutches are disengaged and reengaged, gears are changed and changed mechanically via electronic means. DAF CF are fitted with the ZF ASTronic.

 

But I really agree that our bikes should fit with such transmissions.

[yeobt]

the topic was vios or lancer than to fit n jazz n now paddle shifters...

 

u guys are sibei tan jia...

[CMYRS]

Actually we do have it now in the market.

Alfa Romeo came up with the selespeed which uses a conventional gearbox but runs on a can bus and a gearbox ECU. There's a clutch and gearbox actuator which carries out the usual job of gear shifts when the driver hits the lever.

The BMW also have similar gearboxes called the SMG. Then came the LuK developed twin clutch which fits into the VAG DSG gearboxes used widely in VAG cars. These twin clutches eliminate the lag in gearshifts by having one of the clutch in charge of odd gears while the other incharge of even gears and reverse. The VW here in Singapore uses DSG gearboxes mainly for their pkw.

ZF SACHS later came up with the even more upgraded version capable of transferring more torque suitable for very powerful cars. The ZF DWC. It is now used widely in the new Porsche Carreras. These operate with a clutch pedal-less gearbox with both a lever and pedal shifts. The lever cannot be revoked as the lever need to account for park, sports mode and Neutral too. But manufacturers added in the pedal shifts to make it more interesting.

In fact, the ZF AS Tronic a commercial vehicle gearbox is also using a similar system. Normal automatic gearboxes uses a torque converter that operates with a planetary gearbox system. Torque converter works on a hydro dynamic principle which suffers hydraulic slip. The torque converter uses the 'splashing' motion of the ATF from the impeller to turbine to stator and repeat the action until the three almost works as one whereby the lock up clutch will engage and that's when it hits 2nd gear.

 

Heavy commerical vehicle requires a lot of troque to move loads and torque converters are not able to cater to such demands. That's why goes back to the good old clutches. The AS Tronic works like the BMW SMG, Alfa romeo selespeed whereby clutches are disengaged and reengaged, gears are changed and changed mechanically via electronic means. DAF CF are fitted with the ZF ASTronic.

 

But I really agree that our bikes should fit with such transmissions.

 

Sorry dude! Maybe in my previous post i should have included the word PEDAL to clutch

 

im a back to basics kind of guy who likes to do the driving, the electronics just takes the fun out of it. pedal-less clutches are great, one hand, one foot less to co-ordinate with, quicker changes.

 

if i was to come out sideways oversteering in a corner, the kick of getting it right time after time in any car with a conventional clutch n gear box, engaging the gears with my left hand, steering with the right, connecting the clutch with the left and rev-matching with the gas on the right foot.

 

when i had a heavier multi-plate clutch, yes, an auto will be great if i was caught in a jam for hours. but then again which car in production has the best of both worlds?

[MS]

Sorry dude! Maybe in my previous post i should have included the word PEDAL to clutch

 

im a back to basics kind of guy who likes to do the driving, the electronics just takes the fun out of it. pedal-less clutches are great, one hand, one foot less to co-ordinate with, quicker changes.

 

if i was to come out sideways oversteering in a corner, the kick of getting it right time after time in any car with a conventional clutch n gear box, engaging the gears with my left hand, steering with the right, connecting the clutch with the left and rev-matching with the gas on the right foot.

 

when i had a heavier multi-plate clutch, yes, an auto will be great if i was caught in a jam for hours. but then again which car in production has the best of both worlds?

 

 

Then I think you will love these cars: this, this and this. These are personally my favourites too. Exciting raw cars with the bare necessities. But too much to own here in singapore.

[CMYRS]

Then I think you will love these cars: this, this and this. These are personally my favourites too. Exciting raw cars with the bare necessities. But too much to own here in singapore.

 

You are spot on mate:thumb:

 

when u have 4 wheels and a Pwr to weight ratio of a superbike what more can you ask for? simply heaven

[jB]

guess it'l b fun as well.. haha.. new lancer ex n lexus oso haf it..

lancer Ex should not have it, Lancer Evo X should I think

[sTaRdUsT_11]

lancer Ex should not have it, Lancer Evo X should I think

 

lancer EX haf e paddle shifters.. bt onli fer e 2.0 model.. 1.5 dun haf it..

[Terrible One]

Actually we do have it now in the market.

Alfa Romeo came up with the selespeed which uses a conventional gearbox but runs on a can bus and a gearbox ECU. There's a clutch and gearbox actuator which carries out the usual job of gear shifts when the driver hits the lever.

The BMW also have similar gearboxes called the SMG. Then came the LuK developed twin clutch which fits into the VAG DSG gearboxes used widely in VAG cars. These twin clutches eliminate the lag in gearshifts by having one of the clutch in charge of odd gears while the other incharge of even gears and reverse. The VW here in Singapore uses DSG gearboxes mainly for their pkw.

ZF SACHS later came up with the even more upgraded version capable of transferring more torque suitable for very powerful cars. The ZF DWC. It is now used widely in the new Porsche Carreras. These operate with a clutch pedal-less gearbox with both a lever and pedal shifts. The lever cannot be revoked as the lever need to account for park, sports mode and Neutral too. But manufacturers added in the pedal shifts to make it more interesting.

In fact, the ZF AS Tronic a commercial vehicle gearbox is also using a similar system. Normal automatic gearboxes uses a torque converter that operates with a planetary gearbox system. Torque converter works on a hydro dynamic principle which suffers hydraulic slip. The torque converter uses the 'splashing' motion of the ATF from the impeller to turbine to stator and repeat the action until the three almost works as one whereby the lock up clutch will engage and that's when it hits 2nd gear.

 

Heavy commerical vehicle requires a lot of troque to move loads and torque converters are not able to cater to such demands. That's why goes back to the good old clutches. The AS Tronic works like the BMW SMG, Alfa romeo selespeed whereby clutches are disengaged and reengaged, gears are changed and changed mechanically via electronic means. DAF CF are fitted with the ZF ASTronic.

 

But I really agree that our bikes should fit with such transmissions.

 

Are you in the automotive line also? Actually Burgman 650 got something like Selespeed..

[svick]

Hey guys, Me driving a lancer EX 1.5

FC not bad,

12 to 15 km / Litre

Depends on driving style.

Like this car more looks, spacious seating and booth

Price also reasonable

[jB]

lancer EX haf e paddle shifters.. bt onli fer e 2.0 model.. 1.5 dun haf it..

2.0 not worth the price, I'd rather go for CheeBic

 

Hey guys, Me driving a lancer EX 1.5

FC not bad,

12 to 15 km / Litre

Depends on driving style.

Like this car more looks, spacious seating and booth

Price also reasonable

Sounds okay, but I still don't like the Volvo replica and its heavy body with noise from the engine when you're still going "like-that" speed..

 

No offence though

[Cool79]

now thinking of altis or vois....

[jB]

If you can for Altis why not or Vios Sports ed

[Terrible One]

now thinking of altis or vois....

 

Hyundai Avante? try test drive the cars you are considering as many times as you can b4 committing..

[eerrpp]

guys, may i noe which lancer more worth it???

- Prices wise? 1st and 2nd hand repectively.

- FC?

- Pros and cons?

 

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.. (still noob to cars.. but wanna get 1..)

 

Vios a auto car, but bit prefer manual leh.. how much is a Vios??

1st n 2nd hand respectively.. mayb can consider..