Y Drum brakes for 400cc crusier ?

[AdsLb0]

y Dragster 400 and Shadow 400 onli have drum brakes as rear brake while a small phantom can have a rear disc brake instead ?

 

[PegScraper]

In my humble opinion, the Phantom is over spec'd. A cruiser does not really need rear discs, except for gimmick value...

 

Cruisers are not meant to be the speed demons in the bike world. We have GSXR's and Ninjas for that. For that reason, brakes are not too important a thing on a cruiser.

 

A rear brake will at most be used for trail braking and slowing down only. Also on a cruiser locking up the rear tire is a bad bad idea. Since you're sitting in between the 2 wheels and not on the back wheel, you cannot control your skid once the rear tyre locks up.

[AdsLb0]

does tat means for a light bike like phantom to be easy to have wheel lock at the rear ?

 

but disc brakes last longer and works more efficient rite ?

[isaac chan]

Originally posted by AdsLb0|@Aug 1 2006, 07:28 PM

does tat means for a light bike like phantom to be easy to have wheel lock at the rear ?

 

but disc brakes last longer and works more efficient rite ?

disc brakes efficient ... yes

 

last longer .... hmm .. nope! Drum last longer ...

[arjen]

Thats why we get phantom fishtailing on the road frequently with an overpowered disc brake + 2pot rear caliper.

[vipertarius]

Drum break only make squeaking sound and not efficient at all.

If the bike I wanted to buy is fitted with drum break I will just drop the idea of having it.

[William Tan]

Originally posted by vipertarius@Nov 16 2006, 06:21 AM

Drum break only make squeaking sound and not efficient at all.

If the bike I wanted to buy is fitted with drum break I will just drop the idea of having it.

drum brakes on a shadow 400 have been known to lock the rear wheel.

how inefficient is that?

 

anyways, depending on application, disc brakes on certain bikes may be more hazardous than drum. And some bikes, even with disc-brakes are equiped with inferior callipers which have almost if not lower efficiency than a drum brake.

 

[grassmere]

All my 400cc's bikes in the past was drum brakes. And I think I had no problem at all...

[minorsage]

haha even some cars still have rear drum brakes.

 

if i am not wrong, mit. Lancer is one of them.

[shiraz]

actually most cars have rear drums.

 

i don't find a problem with rear drum brakes anyway. very fast bikes need good brakes, phantom would do well with rear drum brakes but then, goodness knows why they put discs on!

[Terrible One]

I remember one of our menber Black Bullet modded his Slasher with rear disc brake.. So cool.. Issak is right. drum brake last very long thats why buses use them. But they make screeching sound if neglected. If I were to build a cruiser it will have rear disc brakes, ppl at Honda prefer drum brakes I guess. clearing stock in their warehouse? For Phantom, i think they were essembled in the same plant as the Honda SP, Kawasaki KR and etc.. They all share the same brakes, guess they don't want to have too many parts to work with.

[PegScraper]

The drum brakes are great for cruisers since the back brake is seldom used by most bikers for anything other than trail braking. In fact, all bikes really only need drum brakes at the back. A good biker rarely depends on the back brake. Also like William Tan mentioned, most cruisers seem to lock up their back tyres on heavy braking.

 

The drum brake is a very simple brake setup as opposed to a hydraulic disk brake setup. It's just a spring actuated brake and does not involves a brake fluid cylinder and a brake line all the way back. Cheaper, lesser maintenance, no fluids to bleed, just a screw to tighten whenever the brake goes a little lax.

 

The drum brake screeches if you don't do maintenance just because the drum brakes uses brake pads like any other brake systems. The screech comes with the brake material wears down until the rivets that hold them in place are showing. The screeching is because of metal touching metal. You could just go ahead and buy rivetless brake pads, but they aren't all that safe in my opinion, since they use glue to fix the pad material to the brake shoe.

 

The Phantom has read discs just for hype-up and marketing. It's easier to crow about rear discs as opposed to rear drums. It's called over-kill. Old marketing trick! No wonder there are no other Class 2B cruisers for sale now. Honda has effectively killed competition with an over-spec'd and hyped up machine. So now instead of consumers having a good wide selection to choose from, we now have Honda, Honda and at a distant third place, Daelim.

 

As for the Terrible One's theory about parts sharing, please do know that drum brake vs disc brake is a major design consideration and not just a decision driven by stock levels in the factory. A disc setup costs more than

 

Just a tip. If you are not sure of what you are talking about, do post a bull-sh*t alert, or try to actually read up on the matter. I'm not talking about this only in this thread. It's all over the forums. There are actually people who come to these forums to learn stuff, and you could help by not spreading misinformation.

 

For one thing, it would help to learn about things you don't know. I don't claim to know anything and everything, and I was not born talking about disc brakes, but at least I try to learn about stuff when I have a doubt about it.

 

You could go ahead and flame me now, or spend that time trying to search for more information about your bike online. Your call.

 

Ride smart.

[One Headlight]

Maybe rear disc brakes are ok for high displacement bikes like 1100cc up

Just knowing its there, gives you a bit of confidence that when

you need an extra stop power, its there.

 

I ride a Magna 750 and its got a very reliable rear drum brake.

Never had a problem with it.

 

IMHO, drum brakes are ok for bikes lower than a liter.

 

 

Ride safe.

[Penguin]

I find drum brakes to have a more gradual braking effect.... which is good.... never skidded on my dragstar as compared to countless of times on my phantom with good tyres.

[nights]

Originally posted by AdsLb0|@Aug 1 2006, 05:30 PM

y Dragster 400 and Shadow 400 onli have drum brakes as rear brake while a small phantom can have a rear disc brake instead ?

 

Just like what PegScraper has mentioned, the rear disc brake on Phantom is all about marketing. I am pretty sure that majority of us would have agree that having a rear disc brake is truly overkill as Phantom is not a high performance motorcycle. In fact, between 60 and 90 percent of a motorcycle's stopping power comes from the front wheel, it's clear that a well-designed, modern drum brake is all that's required for most rear wheel brake duty. Unless you are riding a high performance motorcycle that can justify a two wheels disc brake system, I guess most of us would benefit from the lower cost drum brake system at the rear.

[Terrible One]

Originally posted by PegScraper+Nov 17 2006, 07:31 AM-->

QUOTE (PegScraper @ Nov 17 2006, 07:31 AM)

The drum brake screeches if you don't do maintenance just because the drum brakes uses brake pads like any other brake systems. The screech comes with the brake material wears down until the rivets that hold them in place are showing. The screeching is because of metal touching metal. You could just go ahead and buy rivetless brake pads, but they aren't all that safe in my opinion, since they use glue to fix the pad material to the brake shoe.[/b]   Originally posted by Terrible One@Nov 17 2006, 01:40 AM But they make screeching sound if neglected. Not all screeching sound is due to the rivets, my bro's cub is 2000km old and it's already screeching. I used to have the same problem when I was riding my Rebel back then. I rode a Hyosung Aquila 250 before also, the rear brake was almost none! Changed brake shoe and cable but still same. I think we have some Aquila riders here and I'm sure they would know how it felt to have such brakes. Not very nice...