SBF Silverwings / HOM Cafe 2012

[yifanz]

very common for silverwings because the bike is very heavy. clutch slippage can be solve without spending much. but not 1 time can solve. need a few tries.

 

your suggestions?

[bigcow]

your suggestions?

 

the doctor attending to my bike is also ah choong. my clutch slippage solved long time ago. maybe do a meet up then i further advice.

[bigcow]

Lobster Lunch at Sungei Rengit - 1st August 2010

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6545338#post6545338

[sant0s]

Up for a lovely sunday

[SW9000]

This Thursday 29 Jul, I'm not going to Rail Mall.

 

I'll be joining my friends to Bukit Indah makan/shopping and then massage.

 

If interested, below are the details:

 

Date: 29 Jul 2010

Time: 5.30pm at GP Esso.

Leader: My friend Ah Ho. * I'm just a follower.

[yifanz]

hi bros,

sometime my display reset after cranking the engine, i read alot posts and video saying such senario is due to weak batt and once change of batt will solve the problem..

but what if the batt is new? (just change 3000km before). the previous owner has not been riding but only warm up the engine everyday before i took over. i'm suspecting the batt is not fully charge at the moment or the charging mechanism is failing.. previously, i seen my mech charge a old batt using a power socket.. is that possible the batt is not fully charge and required another full charge using the power socket?

 

after reading all the old post, i realise the "ah choong" mentioned is from kallang cycle? i thought is the same ah chong from planet motor?

[scoobydoo]

technically, a new batt is no longer "new" once it is activated, i.e. the electrolyte (chemicals like sulphuric acid or gel) start reacting with the electrodes (usually lead) inside the accumulator battery... we can say a battery is relatively new, depending on when it is being activated. SW's stock battery is factory activated.

 

charging of a typical accumulator battery takes place when voltage is around 14V (13.8V~14.3V), between 2A~10A (depending on charging time), and takes more than just a few minutes for full charge (usually hours). battery charging is a normal service which bike shops provide (just few dollars, sometimes FOC on goodwill). the batt is taken out and connected to battery charger which runs a stipulated current through it over few hours; e.g. 14+V & 2A for overnight charge, 14+V & 10A for few hours quick charge, etc.

 

e.g. of a commercial batt charger http://image.ec21.com/image/luck168/pre_GC02321952/Battery_Charger_Car_Charger_Adapter_Tranformer.jpg

e.g. of a small "home" bike batt charger http://172.31.254.243/www.batterystuff.com/images/productimages/battTenderJrWP800_lg.jpg

e.g. of portable solar batt charger http://www.gadgetreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/99737.jpg

 

if you have a voltmeter fitted (more accurate if use a multimeter to measure directly from the 2 nodes of the battery), you will see that voltage generated by the bikes alternator (aka magneto) at idling (about 1.2k rpm) is only around 13V and increases to 14+V as we rev the rpm up (e.g. >4k rpm). in other words, charging is unlikely to take place when the previous owner start the engine for only a few minutes to warm up. both charging criteria are not met... insufficient voltage and insufficient time. note that sulfation usually occurs to a underutilised battery.

 

see post 49 of tech thread for more info on batteries

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4387011&postcount=49

 

the ah "chongs" at kallang cycle and planet motor are 2 different persons... one specialise in scoots and the other the phantom; i go to planet when i was riding a TA200 phantom.

Edited July 26, 2010 by scoobydoo

[infinity]

Maybe can do a check on the coil?

[yifanz]

Hi scoob,

 

thats very infomative but too "chim" for me to understand. Yeah, i saw that in the tech post also..

 

About ah chong, my old owner say his sw has been maintained by ah chong from planet and as i was reading the sw thread and saw similar ah chong then i thought was the same guy referred to.. no worries..

who do you recomend ah chong or botak? i wish to build a good relationship with mech. some mech might not favour people to fix stuff from other and any problem go back to him again? clearing up mess for others?

 

 

to summarised:

i should take out the batt and check for the age of the batt first. If is old -> previous owner bluff me? lol, no harm..

if is new, i should check whether where is the faulty part then.

 

had been riding my sw for 2 weeks and in another words, the batt should be fully charged already? am i right to say that as i am riding everyday and the batt should be charged as i travel..

or there might be still chance that the batt still not fully charge and need to be recharge again via the various means mentioned?

 

i remember the voltage during idling should read about >12v

 

stock batt is YTZ12S and i remember you bought YTZ14S (from wholesale batt shop) before in the previous post. which would you recommend? for the 2 above batt, you mentioned they should be factory activated meaning at the buyer side (me) i just need to plug and play? no charging involved right?

i think SW9000 bought and try an aftermarket batt (S*******) how is the feedback? off hand i cant remember the brand need to search the thread again..

 

thanks and best regards,

Ivan

 

technically, a new batt is no longer "new" once it is activated, i.e. the electrolyte (chemicals like sulphuric acid or gel) start reacting with the electrodes (usually lead) inside the accumulator battery... we can say a battery is relatively new, depending on when it is being activated. SW's stock battery is factory activated.

 

charging of a typical accumulator battery takes place when voltage is around 14V (13.8V~14.3V), between 2A~10A (depending on charging time), and takes more than just a few minutes for full charge (usually hours). battery charging is a normal service which bike shops provide (just few dollars, sometimes FOC on goodwill). the batt is taken out and connected to battery charger which runs a stipulated current through it over few hours; e.g. 14+V & 2A for overnight charge, 14+V & 10A for few hours quick charge, etc.

 

e.g. of a commercial batt charger http://image.ec21.com/image/luck168/pre_GC02321952/Battery_Charger_Car_Charger_Adapter_Tranformer.jpg

e.g. of a small "home" bike batt charger http://172.31.254.243/www.batterystuff.com/images/productimages/battTenderJrWP800_lg.jpg

e.g. of portable solar batt charger http://www.gadgetreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/99737.jpg

 

if you have a voltmeter fitted (more accurate if use a multimeter to measure directly from the 2 nodes of the battery), you will see that voltage generated by the bikes alternator (aka magneto) at idling (about 1.2k rpm) is only around 13V and increases to 14+V as we rev the rpm up (e.g. >4k rpm). in other words, charging is unlikely to take place when the previous owner start the engine for only a few minutes to warm up. both charging criteria are not met... insufficient voltage and insufficient time. note that sulfation usually occurs to a underutilised battery.

 

see post 49 of tech thread for more info on batteries

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4387011&postcount=49

 

the ah "chongs" at kallang cycle and planet motor are 2 different persons... one specialise in scoots and the other the phantom; i go to planet when i was riding a TA200 phantom.

[scoobydoo]

imo, both are friendly and skillful mechs; so depends on which location is more convenient and who you feel more comfortable dealing with. clearing others mess? i guess they both won't mind. business opportunities mah, if other dun mess up, where got chance to take over... whahahaha

personally, botak's place is less convenient for me and i dun like the heavy road conditions surrounding his shop. i usually go KC/Future at kallang (on the way home from work) and K&T at ubi (nearby work) most of the time.

 

yes, your batt is being charged as you ride. but considering the duration of each trip (30~45mins?), its unlikely to be fully charged in just 2 weeks. here's another good excuse to go touring, battery charging... whahahaha

as a batt age, it takes longer to fully charge and holds charge over shorter periods; many causes such as sulfation, deterioration of electrolytes & electrodes, etc. e.g. the lead plates kenna "eaten" away slowly over time.

 

you may wanna consider having the batt charged at the workshop. quick charge takes a few hours but i'ld prefer slow charge (overnight). in theory, quick charge generates a lot of heat due to higher current passing through and some pp say its not good; excessive heat may reduce lifespan of batt.

if you need a spare batt to tahan for the time being, i can lend you my spare... but you have to charge it first

 

yup, many of us are using the YTZ14S instead of the 12S. for about $10 more, why not get the higher capacity one? useful especially if using blink-blinks and juice hungry gadgets

[yifanz]

guess i got to try both of them to see who is comfortable to work with? thx bro.

 

in this case, i will check the age of the batt and update further.. i can always head back to my old bike workshop to do a charging if the batt is relatively new.. i hope i dont need to borrow your spare batt if possible.. mafan for you..

 

thinking of getting 14s then.. it is factory activated right? should the batt be charge first before use? i like to understand and DIY more in SW.. still cheaper to get it from the batt wholesale mentioned in the earlier post right?

how about the shinoko brand of batt the SW9000 tried?

 

i would like to join some short touring for sure.. didnt really went for one but only a trip to tinggi with fren on my old ride.. kindda stressful for a 150cc bike..

 

Best regards

 

imo, both are friendly and skillful mechs; so depends on which location is more convenient and who you feel more comfortable dealing with. clearing others mess? i guess they both won't mind. business opportunities mah, if other dun mess up, where got chance to take over... whahahaha

personally, botak's place is less convenient for me and i dun like the heavy road conditions surrounding his shop. i usually go KC/Future at kallang (on the way home from work) and K&T at ubi (nearby work) most of the time.

 

yes, your batt is being charged as you ride. but considering the duration of each trip (30~45mins?), its unlikely to be fully charged in just 2 weeks. here's another good excuse to go touring, battery charging... whahahaha

as a batt age, it takes longer to fully charge and holds charge over shorter periods; many causes such as sulfation, deterioration of electrolytes & electrodes, etc. e.g. the lead plates kenna "eaten" away slowly over time.

 

you may wanna consider having the batt charged at the workshop. quick charge takes a few hours but i'ld prefer slow charge (overnight). in theory, quick charge generates a lot of heat due to higher current passing through and some pp say its not good; excessive heat may reduce lifespan of batt.

if you need a spare batt to tahan for the time being, i can lend you my spare... but you have to charge it first

 

yup, many of us are using the YTZ14S instead of the 12S. for about $10 more, why not get the higher capacity one? useful especially if using blink-blinks and juice hungry gadgets

[hilfiger]

My headlight not working, even when switch to high beam the instrument panel indicator also didn't light up blue. What could be the prob? Bulb or fuse blown?

[bigcow]

My headlight not working, even when switch to high beam the instrument panel indicator also didn't light up blue. What could be the prob? Bulb or fuse blown?

 

check fuse.

[scoobydoo]

how about the shinoko brand of batt the SW9000 tried?

think SW9000 has already posted his feedback about using cheaper or lower capacity batteries.

my spare batt is a smaller Yuasa (YT12A-BS), costs +/- $70, can start bike but i guess honda has its reason for not putting a smaller capacity batt in the SW.

imo, having a good batt is critically important for bikes (e.g. SW) that cannot be started via other means; CVT scoots can't push or kick start. once "dead" or has insufficient current to crank the engine, we can start thinking of contingencies.

 

12S or 14S are all factory activated and new ones should be "plug-n-play"; do check for manufacture date. also, many batts come with 1 year manufacture fault limited warranty, do ask about it. note that some shops do quote different prices for with and without invoice sales.

 

will PM you on where to get the best deal... someone already protested about disclosing good deals in the forum

[Scarab]

think SW9000 has already posted his feedback about using cheaper or lower capacity batteries.

my spare batt is a smaller Yuasa (YT12A-BS), costs +/- $70, can start bike but i guess honda has its reason for not putting a smaller capacity batt in the SW.

imo, having a good batt is critically important for bikes (e.g. SW) that cannot be started via other means; CVT scoots can't push or kick start. once "dead" or has insufficient current to crank the engine, we can start thinking of contingencies.

 

12S or 14S are all factory activated and new ones should be "plug-n-play"; do check for manufacture date. also, many batts come with 1 year manufacture fault limited warranty, do ask about it. note that some shops do quote different prices for with and without invoice sales.

 

will PM you on where to get the best deal... someone already protested about disclosing good deals in the forum

 

Forum is about sharing the best deals. Protesters? All I can say is, "Get A Life". Any PM aren't really private as there are people that can see your PMs....

[Scarab]

Okay...Just booked my room for Cameron Highlands next week. Sat to Mon. Those that interested to join me please call or sms me if you got problems getting the rooms - still many available if you're not fussy....

[yifanz]

thx scooby bro,

saw your pm le.. thx

 

think SW9000 has already posted his feedback about using cheaper or lower capacity batteries.

my spare batt is a smaller Yuasa (YT12A-BS), costs +/- $70, can start bike but i guess honda has its reason for not putting a smaller capacity batt in the SW.

imo, having a good batt is critically important for bikes (e.g. SW) that cannot be started via other means; CVT scoots can't push or kick start. once "dead" or has insufficient current to crank the engine, we can start thinking of contingencies.

 

12S or 14S are all factory activated and new ones should be "plug-n-play"; do check for manufacture date. also, many batts come with 1 year manufacture fault limited warranty, do ask about it. note that some shops do quote different prices for with and without invoice sales.

 

will PM you on where to get the best deal... someone already protested about disclosing good deals in the forum

[SW9000]

Okay...Just booked my room for Cameron Highlands next week. Sat to Mon. Those that interested to join me please call or sms me if you got problems getting the rooms - still many available if you're not fussy....

 

Grr....so sad... cannot go...

[SW9000]

think SW9000 has already posted his feedback about using cheaper or lower capacity batteries.

 

Eh... our YTZ12S or 14S are built for laying side ways, just nice for SW.

Other maintenance-free batt will still leak.

[SW9000]

Just changed my Rectifier. *I bought a spare in April but no time to install until now.

My old rectifier recorded normal charge at 14.3v when traveling.

The new ones can reached 14.7v.

 

Anyway, also noticed that Loois installed my IU by tagging to the rectifier.

My mech says it is wrong and took the chance to re-route the connection.

 

Also tried the Redline 10W40 engine oil ($22 per litre I think).

Feels light yet very quiet.

Will see if the performance can lasts or not.

[Fusionjaz]

adjustable

 

how about consolidate and bargain for a better price... MO?

1. SW9000 ?

2. Fusionjazz ?

3. scoobydoo ?

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5.

6.

 

 

Hi, are we still getting this windscreen...?

[SW9000]

Hi, are we still getting this windscreen...?

 

haha.

Waiting for the stock to arrive then touch and feel and...

[Andydy]

I have one Qn..

Does your rear tyre wear become uneven? and then cause bumpy feeling when riding?

I just changed my tyres few months back and i pump air every 2 weeks.

strange leh..

[scoobydoo]

anyone letting go stock windshield?

[scoobydoo]

tomolo i also not appearing at rail mall... going shopping