SBF Silverwings / HOM Cafe 2012

[Fusionjaz]

Simi twin?

Versys also twin. Tenere and GS800 also twin.

 

No understand lah. As long as SW remains 'smoothest' and 'quietest' than those above can liao.

My wrist is weak... so not comparing 'power'...

 

The C650 GT may be more "smoother" and "quieter" than a SWING.

HaHa

[scoobydoo]

there was actually a "heated" discussion on whether parallel and inline twins are the same... lets not go down the same road

 

this is parallel twin in action: 360 degrees

this is inline twin in action: 180 degrees

this is crankshaft at 270 degrees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBkcZlPcXm4&feature=related

 

* some pp think ALL 3 are the same by virtue that the engines have twin cylinders running parallel to each other... they are not wrong in this sense.

* others still want to follow the old school theory that differentiates between the two engines with parallel cylinders based on their differing firing/crankshaft arrangements... they are also not wrong.

 

its up to us whether we want to adopt which school of thought.

maybe its like chicken... sinkapor chicken or tomgyum chicken, both are chickens that run on 2 legs

 

"Difference between Inline Twin and Parallel Twin?"

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/universal-threads/12923-difference-between-inline-twin-parallel-twin.html

 

guess this chap sums it all up...

Taking the example of a 2-cylinder engine:

 

Most companies/people use "parallel" to denote the engine cylinders being parallel to each other in layout. This would differentiate it from the V-Twins or the Boxer engines.

 

But then, there is the usage of parallel to denote the actual pistons' position w.r.t each other. Here parallel denotes both pistons moving up and down simultaneously. The opposite here would be "inline" in which the pistons move opposite to each other.

 

Inline engines rev higher, parallel ones have good low-end torque.

Chris Pfeiffer's F800R is a parallel twin.

 

After a little bit of googling I read that there is also a general usage of the word "parallel". In this the cylinders are parallel and the pistons may move together or in an opposite motion.

 

Conclusion: It's all in the word. There may be specific labels like Dual-Inline and all but I guess we know the general idea.

 

I hope this clears up confusion.

 

other than pistons moving in different manner, any other difference? this is an interesting input from the discussion...

The major point why you will generally only find inline twin engines is that the dynamic balance of a inline twin is much better than a parallel twin. A parallel twin has a dynamic balance that is the same as a single cylinder engine as the pistons move up and down together. In an inline twin they move in opposite directions thus canceling out some of the second degree vibrations that a single cylinder (and a parallel twin) engine would have. An inline twin does have a sideways rocking vibration around its central axis, but that's a much less then any vibration from having your pistons move together.

 

In fact, the silverwing firing sequence is technology of the past. The new parallel twin/inline twin firing sequence is 270 degree apart which yield smoother operation. The Super Tenere and coming NC700x are using 270 degree parallel twin/inline twin engine.

the SW's parallel twin (both pistons moving up and down together in tandem) engine is still of the same design as when it was first launched in 2001. that's at least 10 yrs old tech but it sure is a very reliable and smooth engine.

yes, i think the inline twin engine of the C650 GT is going to be smoother and a lot more powerful

Edited December 5, 2011 by scoobydoo

[firenace]

juz FYI

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150407857764779.355724.95661834778&type=1

[SW9000]

The C650 GT may be more "smoother" and "quieter" than a SWING.

HaHa

 

That one cannot fight... almost $10k more.

$10k can get lots of tour guides for many many years.

[whyzee]

Apparently kymco make the engine for bmw... So, maybe there wil be a kymco 600 soon? Hee. Then, it wil 5k lesser liao.

[SW9000]

Apparently kymco make the engine for bmw... So, maybe there wil be a kymco 600 soon? Hee. Then, it wil 5k lesser liao.

 

BMW-made engine sounds like a BM...

Kymco makes BMW engine maybe sounds like a scooter...

[whyzee]

We wil only know when its available for test ride. Luckily it is bmw, can test ride. Otherwise, i dont think atlantic will lend me ride. ^^

[Atlantic 200]

"Anyways, speaking about my BMW Scooter aim, PML will only launch the scooters 3rd Quarter of 2012....

Price will be roughly from $28k for C600 and over $30k for the C650GT...." from SBF Kymco Downtown 125i/300i Forum

[whyzee]

All are still estimates. But if its 30k, then I will not get it liao. By then if the kymco 700 have proven its reliability, i will consider that..

 

Anyway, CO says only can approve 2nd bike after HDB comes.

[whyzee]

David,

+1 for April Songkran. Hockie69-super tenere.

 

Ok?

[SW9000]

David,

+1 for April Songkran. Hockie69-super tenere.

 

Ok?

 

okie. likes 69 or born 1969?

[whyzee]

okie. likes 69 or born 1969?

 

My guess is, he like 69. He is also HOM...

will get him to join TCSS.. you guys sure can get along well..

[SW9000]

WoooHoooo!!

 

Songkran 2012 trip is FULL.

8 HOM riding up.

Already updated the blog and costing.

To be paid before 1 Mar 2012.

 

** 3 still without Genting rooms... whyzee, hockie69 and robin. Pls do so by self-booking.

 

Pairing for rooms... already got some ideas... will be based on intensity of 'hornyness'. hehehe.

[robinowyong]

I have not book room in Genting yet. Now I am in Cambodia. May come back then I book.

[hockie69]

okie. likes 69 or born 1969?

 

i dun DO guys....lolx

 

thx to YZ for the link. hope i can tag along for the ride.

[hockie69]

My guess is, he like 69. He is also HOM...

will get him to join TCSS.. you guys sure can get along well..

 

Homely Old Man?....sounds like me....lolx

[dolfin]

Just realised I'm only 25% of SW weight ... what if you drop bike, what's the best method to bring it upright? Advise appreciated, tks.

[scoobydoo]

rule 1... don't drop

rule 2... bike drop, man don't drop

rule 3... both drop, safety come first

 

the SW is a rather heavy beast to lightweight riders like us but as long as we remember not to out-muscle the beastly ¼ ton loaded weight, we should be ok.

 

bringing a heavy bike up needs a little technique, which is taught and TP tested for Class 2 license.

trick is to tilt/push the "dead" weight up, making use of the more massive parts of our body (usually the butt), not just the arms... see these demo videos, including girls lifting the massive goldwing

 

bike fell on left:

 

bike fell on right:

during the class 2 sessions, we were taught a slightly different/simplified technique, probably because the bike is not as heavy. instead of using the "full backside" as in the videos, we used the side/hip to help tilt/push the bike up. some of us do it with both hands on the handlebar (turned to max and locked in position), activate front brake to prevent bike from "sliding", and heaveeeee

 

for SW, advisable to activate the hand-brake and/or lift the side stand (if bike falls on right) as extra safety if possible

 

cheers

Edited December 7, 2011 by scoobydoo

[SW9000]

i dun DO guys....lolx

 

thx to YZ for the link. hope i can tag along for the ride.

 

For our safety (or yours?)... I'll bunk you with YZ. muahaha.

If free, come for meeting on Thursday at our Club House.

Relaxing with coffee is nice.

[SW9000]

SW very low CG and seat height should be able to balance well with both feet.

But so expensive you better treat it like a treasure and don't take it for granted.

Ride carefully. Push carefully. Park carefully. Clean carefully.

[SW9000]

I have not book room in Genting yet. Now I am in Cambodia. May come back then I book.

 

Ermm... how are the tour guides over there?

They join in the singing?

[hockie69]

For our safety (or yours?)... I'll bunk you with YZ. muahaha.

If free, come for meeting on Thursday at our Club House.

Relaxing with coffee is nice.

 

room is jus a bed....nothing much can be done...lolx

 

i'm ok to bunk in...

 

tmr i try to come.whats the timing like?

[SW9000]

Dinner at Ah Mei around 7pm. I should be there earlier.

Kopi time at Coffee Bean after that till about 9.30pm (fall out).

Rail Mall at Bukit Timah.

[hockie69]

Dinner at Ah Mei around 7pm. I should be there earlier.

Kopi time at Coffee Bean after that till about 9.30pm (fall out).

Rail Mall at Bukit Timah.

 

noted. will let YZ know b4 coming. cheers

[scoobydoo]

tomolo i on leave... go servicing and also inspection... can arrive rail mall earlier