SBF Silverwings / HOM Cafe 2012

SW9000 · March 30, 2012

Count me in if doing a mass order / installation. Weights for FJS400D pls.

Dr Pulley sliders got 26g, 25g, 24g and 21g.

caa 6pm today, Tai Hin only have 21g left.

If want the 26g, must pre-order. With installation, expect $95.

Alternatively, can use the malossi 24g rollers (use with stock variator).

Ah Choong left 3 sets I think, at $65 per set.

Confirmation with Ah Choong's SW Manuasl (JDM & FJS)

1. The green 29g rollers actually belongs to JDM400. Part number 22123-MEF-000.

2. The brown 25.3g rollers are for FJS400 and SW-T400. Part number 22123-MEF-D00.

However, for god knows how long, FJS have come installed with the green rollers as stock. Likewise the 1st Gen SW-T.

Now with the current SW-T, they finally used the correct brown rollers.

Unfortunately, all parts agencies continue to bring in only the green ones, thinking that is stock. Alamak.

I've ordered 2x brown sets from ACM. Hopefully will arrive by May 12.

If they are the correct ones, I'll order some more just to keep spares. **Green ones are just too slow...

Anyway, I took the 24g Malossi for testing also. Will fix on tmr and check the difference.

Edited March 30, 2012 by SW9000

Fazli · March 30, 2012

But my green rollers are having the same rpm timing stated in your table above... Will using the 25.3g rollers affect FC compared to the 29g?

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Uncle · March 30, 2012

Isn't the green good for touring then, since need lower rpm to achieve highway speeds?

scoobydoo · March 30, 2012

Dr Pulley sliders got 26g, 25g, 24g and 21g.
caa 6pm today, Tai Hin only have 21g left.

Alternatively, can use the malossi 24g rollers (use with stock variator).
Ah Choong left 3 sets I think, at $65 per set.

1. The green 29g rollers actually belongs to JDM400. Part number 22123-MEF-000.
2. The brown 25.3g rollers are for FJS400 and SW-T400. Part number 22123-MEF-D00.

these are great info... i add to Tech Corner post 16 hor

kiawui · March 30, 2012

yup, "scratching" sounds sometimes appear from the brake assemblies due to worn pads (but that usually happens when pads are really worn) and more often, worn and/or out of shape (very common) rotor blades.
put you bike on main stand (don't start engine), spin the rear wheel and listen if there's the scratch-silent scratch-silent sounds. if got, usually is the rotor blade out of shape liow.
cause? wear-n-tear and heat. common problem especially if we often wash bike when rotors are still kinda "hot".

change gear oil... did you use 10w40 motor oil as suggested by honda service manual, or the usual gear oil? there's a post at the tech corner on this contentious issue.

belt to last another 20k km? wow!
fyi, many of us change our 3-in-1 every 20+k or so. the manual says I (inspect, clean, adjust, lub, replace as necessary) at 18k, R (replace) at 24k. the record i know is a bro changed his belt at 40+k.
if you do only local riding, no issue as towing to workshop costs only $30~$40+. but if you tour, its better to play safe as towing back from overseas costs many times that amount (e.g. >S$700 from cameron highland). let's not forget about the potential damages caused by the whipping of a snapped belt inside. worse, suay suay loose power when you most need it, like to get out of an accident

I guess I will give it another 10K or so and see how is it. Not doing any touring. Just city ride. Gear oil I cannot remember. It's motul with a 90 number. By the way, does anyone knows where to get the BMW grips and how much is it? My grips are slipping. Also planning to fix a new box. Any intro?

Fazli · March 31, 2012

I guess I will give it another 10K or so and see how is it. Not doing any touring. Just city ride. Gear oil I cannot remember. It's motul with a 90 number. By the way, does anyone knows where to get the BMW grips and how much is it? My grips are slipping. Also planning to fix a new box. Any intro?

Grips available at the Performance Motors Limited at Bukit Timah. Heard it costs 24bux a pair now.

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scoobydoo · March 31, 2012

I guess I will give it another 10K or so and see how is it. Not doing any touring. Just city ride. Gear oil I cannot remember. It's motul with a 90 number. By the way, does anyone knows where to get the BMW grips and how much is it? My grips are slipping. Also planning to fix a new box. Any intro?

with 90 number? then should be gear oil le... city riding, ok lah.

see tech corner post #18

top box?

there's a detailed writeup on various brands/models of top boxes commonly used by SW.

see tech corner post #139

Grips available at the Performance Motors Limited at Bukit Timah. Heard it costs 24bux a pair now.

hanor, only 24 bucks directly at PM bt timah... i paid $35 for a pair at some motortiam when i changed it few years ago

if go there, don't forget to check out the cute salesgirl they were talking about (dunno still there or not). dun ask me how cute, cos i've not been there

scoobydoo · March 31, 2012

dear new SW riders...

please check out the Silverwing 400cc/600cc Tech/Info Corner if you have time.

lots of answers to you basic queries are there, from technical/maintenance matters to mods/enhancements to gadgets to top-boxes, etc.

an index (with links) is also available for your quick reference at post #3 on 1st page.

Index

(i'll try to rearrange the sequence if got time)

Post#/Topic

1 * SW Thread Archives

2 * Upz

3 * Index

4 * Upz

5 * Contacts & Lobangs: Where To Get Those Stuffs?

6 * JDMs are PI

7 * Authorized Bike Dealers

8 * Electricals

9 * Question

10 * Answer to Question

11 * Battery & Fuses (Part 1)

12 * Battery & Fuses (Part 2)

13 * Use Iridium Spark Plugs?

14 * Bike Enhancements/Mods

15 * Upz

16 * Variator, Roller Weights & Contra spring

17 * About SW Front Suspension

18 * SAE Engine Oil vs. Gear Oil Viscosity

19 * Using a Vacuum Guage or Carb Tuner?

20 * Air Screw Synchronisation

21 * Tyre Markings

22 * Changing Rear Tyres

23 * System Rechecks Again When Starting Bike

24 * Normal Gear Oil For Final Transmission? Not Recommended!

25 * Design Symbols for Spark Plugs

26 * Comment

27 * SW FAQ

28 * K&N Air Filter For SW400/600

29 * Question

30 * Comment

31 * Bought An Used (Aka 2nd Hand) Silver Wing?

32 * Sums Of Buying A New Bike

33 * Comment

34 * Comment

35 * Comment

36 * Fabricated Mini Switchboard

37 * SW Transmission Assembly

38 * Tyres & Hydroplaning

39 * 1st 10 Enhancements?

40 * FJS400 Electrical Wiring Diagram

41 * Upz

42 * More About Spark Plugs

43 * Ideas for Non-Stock Silverwing???

44 * Question

45 * Question

46 * Tyre Balancing

47 * Tyre Mounting/Match Balancing

48 * Question

49 * Answer to Question

50 * Upz

Page 2

51 * Upz

52 * SW Parts Catalogue

53 * Meters resets on crank start?

54 * Upz

55 * Upz

56 * Upz

57 * Additional HISS keys for SW

58 * New SW owner? Some pointers...

59 * How To Improve Power?

60 * Question

61 * Answer to Question

62 * Comment

63 * Comment

64 * Capacitor Based Add-Ons & Multi-Point Grounding

65 * Question

66 * Silver Wings SW-T400 vs. GT 400

67 * Comment

68 * Question

69 * Answer to Question

70 * Safety Feature Before Engine Can Start

71 * Comment

72 * Comment

73 * Comment

74 * Comment

75 * Comment

76 * Comment

77 * Suspension Setting

78 * Upz

79 * Question

80 * Answer to Question

81 * Comment

82 * Valve Caps... got purpose?

83 * The Honda Silver Wing Scooter (Part 1)

84 * The Honda Silver Wing Scooter (Part 2)

85 * Honda Top Box

86 * Comment

87 * Question

88 * Question

89 * "3-in-1" Maintenance

90 * SW Owners Manual

91 * V-Matic Indicator

92 * Question

93 * Answer to Question

94 * Comment

95 * Running In

96 * Comment

97 * Engines & Overhaul

98 * Comment

99 * Emergency Tyre Repair/Plugging

100 * Comment

Page 3

101 * Comment

102 * Comment

103 * Changing Spark Plugs Of SW

104 * Genuine, Parallel Imported & Fake Spark Plugs

105 * Comment

106 * LED Lights For Silver Wing

107 * Question

108 * Question

109 * Answer to Question

110 * Answer to Question

111 * Comment

112 * Petrol... Caltex, ExxonMobil, Shell, SPC, etc.

113 * Honda Ignition Security System aka H.I.S.S.

114 * Question

115 * Fuel Guage Calibration & Consumption

116 * Your Rear Tire Does Not Need Balancing

117 * Upz

118 * Comment

119 * Upz

120 * Garmin Waterproof GPS & RAM Mounting Solutions

121 * Question

122 * Changing Coolant

123 * What To Do If Fuel Tank Emptied... Push Bike?

124 * Coolant Flush

125 * Types of Switches

126 * Headlights & Hazard Lights

127 * Heavy Aftermarket Bar-End Sliders (aka Balancers)

128 * Screen Extension

129 * Aftermarket Wind Shields for Honda Silver Wing

130 * Question

131 * After-market Suspensions

132 * Comment

133 * Question

134 * Answer to Question

135 * Comment

136 * Need To Do Valve Clearance?

137 * RPM, GPS Speeds & Speedo Speeds

138 * What You Should Know About Motorcycle Helmets

139 * Top Boxes

140 * GST... Payable?

141 * Headlight Shield

142 * When To Change Suspensions?

143 * Comment - Error Feedback

144 * Comment - Error Corrected

145 * Comment - Question

146 * Comment - Question

147 * Comment - Question

148 * Comment - Answer

149 * Specs for Motorcycle License Plates

150 * Engine Right Side Cover Leaking

Page 4

151 * Spare Parts for Honda Silver Wing

152 * Adjusting Headlight Angle

153 * Brake Pads

154 * Comprehensive Insurance Coverage

155 * Touring on Honda Silver Wing?

156 * Silverwing Handguards Project

157

158

159

160

Edited March 31, 2012 by scoobydoo

SW9000 · March 31, 2012

Just found that the clutch bell for SW400 and SW-T are also different part number. Why? Because SW-T comes thicker (1.5mm) thus no pigeon sound.

http://66.163.168.225/babelfish/translate_url_content?.intl=us&lp=it_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.silverwing400.it%2findex.php%3foption%3dcom_content%26task%3dview%26id%3d280%26Itemid%3d83

SW400 *Look part number 1

SW-T400

Edited March 31, 2012 by SW9000

hachi · March 31, 2012

Replaced my plugs few days ago. Put out the old plugs, well Denso iridium, doesnt look too bad still got lots of life in them. Maybe give it to my friend' SW...I brought the NGK iridium plugs... I find that NGK got slightly better pulling power from my butt dyno....Checked the website can last for 80000km? That's mean is a long long time for me....They both got a crispy starting sensation...

Edited March 31, 2012 by hachi

Uncle · March 31, 2012

if go there, don't forget to check out the cute salesgirl they were talking about (dunno still there or not). dun ask me how cute, cos i've not been there

No more. Standard dropped.

SW9000 · March 31, 2012

No more. Standard dropped.

Everyday meet people drive BMW confirm sure find golden goose. No need to work again.

Uncle · March 31, 2012

Just found that the clutch bell for SW400 and SW-T are also different part number. Why? Because SW-T comes thicker (1.5mm) thus no pigeon sound.

Great! It's like CB400 using upgrades from newer spec3 / revo. So can FJS use SW-T clutch bell?

Uncle · March 31, 2012

Checked the website can last for 80000km?

80kkm for cars; my car iridium lasted that long. Half it for bikes as higher rpm.

SW9000 · March 31, 2012

Great! It's like CB400 using upgrades from newer spec3 / revo. So can FJS use SW-T clutch bell?

Should be ok since they both using same clutch pads.

SW9000 · March 31, 2012

80kkm for cars; my car iridium lasted that long. Half it for bikes as higher rpm.

Plugs can last very long... but good to check gap every 10k or so.

Uncle · March 31, 2012

http://www.silverwing400.it/immagini_tecniche_swt/trasmissione_swt_01.jpg

Is this factory original grounding for SW-T?

kiawui · March 31, 2012

Hi Scoobydoo,

Faithfully going through all the posts. But wanted some fast answers to some of my questions. So decided to ask direct. Will look through before posting for any other questions. Thank you.

Fazli, thank you for the information.

dear new SW riders...

please check out the Silverwing 400cc/600cc Tech/Info Corner if you have time.
lots of answers to you basic queries are there, from technical/maintenance matters to mods/enhancements to gadgets to top-boxes, etc.

an index (with links) is also available for your quick reference at post #3 on 1st page.

Index
(i'll try to rearrange the sequence if got time)

Post#/Topic
1 * SW Thread Archives
2 * Upz
3 * Index
4 * Upz
5 * Contacts & Lobangs: Where To Get Those Stuffs?
6 * JDMs are PI
7 * Authorized Bike Dealers
8 * Electricals
9 * Question
10 * Answer to Question
11 * Battery & Fuses (Part 1)
12 * Battery & Fuses (Part 2)
13 * Use Iridium Spark Plugs?
14 * Bike Enhancements/Mods
15 * Upz
16 * Variator, Roller Weights & Contra spring
17 * About SW Front Suspension
18 * SAE Engine Oil vs. Gear Oil Viscosity
19 * Using a Vacuum Guage or Carb Tuner?
20 * Air Screw Synchronisation
21 * Tyre Markings
22 * Changing Rear Tyres
23 * System Rechecks Again When Starting Bike
24 * Normal Gear Oil For Final Transmission? Not Recommended!
25 * Design Symbols for Spark Plugs
26 * Comment
27 * SW FAQ
28 * K&N Air Filter For SW400/600
29 * Question
30 * Comment
31 * Bought An Used (Aka 2nd Hand) Silver Wing?
32 * Sums Of Buying A New Bike
33 * Comment
34 * Comment
35 * Comment
36 * Fabricated Mini Switchboard
37 * SW Transmission Assembly
38 * Tyres & Hydroplaning
39 * 1st 10 Enhancements?
40 * FJS400 Electrical Wiring Diagram
41 * Upz
42 * More About Spark Plugs
43 * Ideas for Non-Stock Silverwing???
44 * Question
45 * Question
46 * Tyre Balancing
47 * Tyre Mounting/Match Balancing
48 * Question
49 * Answer to Question
50 * Upz
Page 2
51 * Upz
52 * SW Parts Catalogue
53 * Meters resets on crank start?
54 * Upz
55 * Upz
56 * Upz
57 * Additional HISS keys for SW
58 * New SW owner? Some pointers...
59 * How To Improve Power?
60 * Question
61 * Answer to Question
62 * Comment
63 * Comment
64 * Capacitor Based Add-Ons & Multi-Point Grounding
65 * Question
66 * Silver Wings SW-T400 vs. GT 400
67 * Comment
68 * Question
69 * Answer to Question
70 * Safety Feature Before Engine Can Start
71 * Comment
72 * Comment
73 * Comment
74 * Comment
75 * Comment
76 * Comment
77 * Suspension Setting
78 * Upz
79 * Question
80 * Answer to Question
81 * Comment
82 * Valve Caps... got purpose?
83 * The Honda Silver Wing Scooter (Part 1)
84 * The Honda Silver Wing Scooter (Part 2)
85 * Honda Top Box
86 * Comment
87 * Question
88 * Question
89 * "3-in-1" Maintenance
90 * SW Owners Manual
91 * V-Matic Indicator
92 * Question
93 * Answer to Question
94 * Comment
95 * Running In
96 * Comment
97 * Engines & Overhaul
98 * Comment
99 * Emergency Tyre Repair/Plugging
100 * Comment
Page 3
101 * Comment
102 * Comment
103 * Changing Spark Plugs Of SW
104 * Genuine, Parallel Imported & Fake Spark Plugs
105 * Comment
106 * LED Lights For Silver Wing
107 * Question
108 * Question
109 * Answer to Question
110 * Answer to Question
111 * Comment
112 * Petrol... Caltex, ExxonMobil, Shell, SPC, etc.
113 * Honda Ignition Security System aka H.I.S.S.
114 * Question
115 * Fuel Guage Calibration & Consumption
116 * Your Rear Tire Does Not Need Balancing
117 * Upz
118 * Comment
119 * Upz
120 * Garmin Waterproof GPS & RAM Mounting Solutions
121 * Question
122 * Changing Coolant
123 * What To Do If Fuel Tank Emptied... Push Bike?
124 * Coolant Flush
125 * Types of Switches
126 * Headlights & Hazard Lights
127 * Heavy Aftermarket Bar-End Sliders (aka Balancers)
128 * Screen Extension
129 * Aftermarket Wind Shields for Honda Silver Wing
130 * Question
131 * After-market Suspensions
132 * Comment
133 * Question
134 * Answer to Question
135 * Comment
136 * Need To Do Valve Clearance?
137 * RPM, GPS Speeds & Speedo Speeds
138 * What You Should Know About Motorcycle Helmets
139 * Top Boxes
140 * GST... Payable?
141 * Headlight Shield
142 * When To Change Suspensions?
143 * Comment - Error Feedback
144 * Comment - Error Corrected
145 * Comment - Question
146 * Comment - Question
147 * Comment - Question
148 * Comment - Answer
149 * Specs for Motorcycle License Plates
150 * Engine Right Side Cover Leaking
Page 4
151 * Spare Parts for Honda Silver Wing
152 * Adjusting Headlight Angle
153 * Brake Pads
154 * Comprehensive Insurance Coverage
155 * Touring on Honda Silver Wing?
156 * Silverwing Handguards Project
157
158
159
160

Fazli · March 31, 2012

Dr Pulley sliders got 26g, 25g, 24g and 21g.
caa 6pm today, Tai Hin only have 21g left.

If want the 26g, must pre-order. With installation, expect $95.

Alternatively, can use the malossi 24g rollers (use with stock variator).
Ah Choong left 3 sets I think, at $65 per set.

Confirmation with Ah Choong's SW Manuasl (JDM & FJS)

1. The green 29g rollers actually belongs to JDM400. Part number 22123-MEF-000.

2. The brown 25.3g rollers are for FJS400 and SW-T400. Part number 22123-MEF-D00.

However, for god knows how long, FJS have come installed with the green rollers as stock. Likewise the 1st Gen SW-T.
Now with the current SW-T, they finally used the correct brown rollers.
Unfortunately, all parts agencies continue to bring in only the green ones, thinking that is stock. Alamak.

I've ordered 2x brown sets from ACM. Hopefully will arrive by May 12.
If they are the correct ones, I'll order some more just to keep spares. **Green ones are just too slow...

Anyway, I took the 24g Malossi for testing also. Will fix on tmr and check the difference.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]240798[/ATTACH]

With regards to the roller weights and their rpm, shouldn't lighter weights move out faster thus engaging the clutch at lower rpm?

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SW9000 · March 31, 2012

With regards to the roller weights and their rpm, shouldn't lighter weights move out faster thus engaging the clutch at lower rpm?

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Clutch will engage at the same rpm depending on their springs.

The variator plates however, depends on the force that is acting on it:

Heavy rollers need lower rpm to push on the plates while lighter rollers need higher rpm for the same force required.

SW9000 · March 31, 2012

Malossi Rollers (24g) Review

Just DIYed insert the Malossi 24g rollers at my MSCP.

Hmm... the performance is back to similar as the brown stock 25.3g Rollers.

Speed/RPM:

Move off: 2600 rpm ** Different from stock. Not sure why. Possible because my 2800 rpm recording for the brown rollers was after 1 year usage?

Acceleration after move off is 4500rpm.

Anyway, the rest are the same.

90km/h - 5000

100km/h - 5500

110km/h - 6000

120km/h - 6500

Didn't go beyond that yet...

Performance wise:

Very light throttling. Acceleration is quick and effortless.

Didn't feel much vibration or lag.

Slightly louder due to operating at a higher rpm than the green 29g rollers most are using.

Recommendation:

For those local rides, recommend to get these or the stock brown rollers.

However, currently brown are not available till possibly May 12. These Malossi are good alternatives.

I've gotten used to the brown ones therefore I'll stick to the Malossi for now till the stock arrives for next service. Happy.

confusehaha · March 31, 2012

Just found that the clutch bell for SW400 and SW-T are also different part number. Why? Because SW-T comes thicker (1.5mm) thus no pigeon sound.
http://66.163.168.225/babelfish/translate_url_content?.intl=us&lp=it_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.silverwing400.it%2findex.php%3foption%3dcom_content%26task%3dview%26id%3d280%26Itemid%3d83

SW400 *Look part number 1
[ATTACH=CONFIG]240893[/ATTACH]

SW-T400

[ATTACH=CONFIG]240894[/ATTACH]

Anyone replace ur clutch pads and bell b4? And visible different? As in the power and smoothness does it improve?

SW9000 · March 31, 2012

Anyone replace ur clutch pads and bell b4? And visible different? As in the power and smoothness does it improve?

Everything should be the same except the reduction of pigeon noise due to thicker bell wall.

Atlantic 200 · March 31, 2012

Breaking News: Bomb rocks Hatyai - 200 trapped !

Urgent: Bomb rocks Hat Yai hotel, over 200 people trapped

March 31, 2012 2:25 pm

Hat Yai, Songkhla - A bomb exploded inside the Lee Garden Hotel in this southern border town Saturday afternoon.

About 200 guests and hotel staffs were trapped on the fourth floor and rescue workers were rushing to rescue them.

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/gpgt-breaking-news-bomb-rocks-hatyai-200-trapped-3668414.html

Time to plan "Plan B"

whyzee · March 31, 2012

Go Ko Samui straight? Or go phuket? Or, cameron, lake kenyir, kuantan?

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