SBF Kymco Downtown 125/200/300/350i Cafe 2013

[Bike Yong]

You need to change your air filter to Simota and it give out better power. Try it.

[parotae]

I think when I went to Chong Aik seen before at Desker road if I remember correctly. I think mostly for Japanese or big bikes. If they have it it'll be great, especially the air filter come as a whole piece with plastic plate. Thanks again Bike Yong

[Bike Yong]

I think when I went to Chong Aik seen before at Desker road if I remember correctly. I think mostly for Japanese or big bikes. If they have it it'll be great, especially the air filter come as a whole piece with plastic plate. Thanks again Bike Yong

 

Simota (free mantainance) do not have a specific model for DT300i you need to modify using GD150 by cutting out the filter and fix it onto the original DT300i air filter.

 

You have to cut out the original filter of the DT300i before you can fix the simota filter.

[parotae]

Simota (free mantainance) do not have a specific model for DT300i you need to modify using GD150 by cutting out the filter and fix it onto the original DT300i air filter.

 

You have to cut out the original filter of the DT300i before you can fix the simota filter.

 

So Desu Neh, wah, got to modify. Like that you also know. Now got project to do already. GD150 is grand dink i believe, but which year model of GD air filter or do all the version uses the same type air filter. Free maintenance means must maintain (Serviceable) or no need to maintain (After use throw away)? Thanks

[parotae]

Funny? Uncle like Downtown. Have seen quite a few uncle (~45+) riding downtown these few days, well actually 2 on the road and 1 orange downtown at motorsport and a few uncles looking very interested in downtown too. Ha ha ha , actually i uncle already also. So yes, Downtown also appeals to uncle too . Saw 1 greyish brown FBF3 something plate so registered around july i think, at Flyer. Uncle stop at traffic light body from the side look like a S shape ha ha body bend like hunching the leg bend for tip toeing, really look like a letter ''S'' so funny. Then today saw at UBI also grey, uncle on downtown keep looking see got people look at him or not

[synman]

Hi all, just ordered my Downtown yesterday and waiting for it to arrive.

 

Was previously riding a Silverwing but the bike getting old liao.

 

Anyway, hope it is not too big a downgrade for me.

[synman]

Oh btw, are you all following the normal break in as recommended by the manual or other methods?

[parotae]

Hi all, just ordered my Downtown yesterday and waiting for it to arrive.

 

Was previously riding a Silverwing but the bike getting old liao.

 

Anyway, hope it is not too big a downgrade for me.

 

There are silverwing members here riding the downtown too. Power wise or rather overtaking wise as quoted by paithorn

 

Yup...compared to SW, it lost out to the sitting posture, leg room, vibration, pilliom foot pegs.

 

It win on the FC, looks, torque(maybe? cos I was riding SW600 which gives very good pick up as well)

 

I assume you are riding a 400cc S.wing? Can't wait for your comparison with your S.wing. Although your bike is old, i believe its more on other components that is very costly to maintain rather than the engine itself. Engine can last very long if you take care but the things that give the most problems and requires repairs are those that you can't take care like rubber stuffs.

 

So when you get your new toy, lubricate all the rubber and plastics with stuffs like armourall (My new found favourite, cheap and hopefully good). If your love your rubber now when new, they will look and feel very good for a long time to come.

Edited September 16, 2011 by parotae

[parotae]

Oh btw, are you all following the normal break in as recommended by the manual or other methods?

 

Manual? What manual? I haven't even touch it yet

I have been Psycho to think that the cylinder is so well made to the exact tolerance that running in is not necessary on this engine. Ride as per normal as you would, but of course not like going racing lah. Ride like you would on your S.Wing, need to overtake just overtake...but being a whacker maybe a good thing, but... not tooo much (old ribena ad), remember to fully warm up your engine to the operating temperature

Edited September 16, 2011 by parotae

[parotae]

Just went for a warm up ride after 1 week of parking. Was riding to my destination with no problems or symptoms what so ever. After leaving my destination after 1/2hr, when moving off at traffic lights heard a very loud metallic scraping noise from below the scoot like went over some aluminium can or wire. The scraping noise happens for only a seconds and suddenly stops. I thought i went over something but did not see anything on the road in my mirror. So i quickly on the hazard light and stop at the side but couldn't find anything below or on the road. Hope it's not the radiator fan or the engine or the variator gear box. I rode on the express way about 100km/h but nothing unusual after that, so hopefully it's ok. The pickup is back (due to cool weather maybe), very shiok and am very happy with the performance. Now only 230km, 570km more to 1st 800km service.

Edited September 16, 2011 by parotae

[synman]

Yes, was considering between changing the parts and the number of years left as oppose to having a new bike.

 

Decided to go for a new one. Have been looking at the Downtown 300 since they 1st launch but was waiting for more

reviews.

 

Will give a comparison note once I have started on my Downtown...

[parotae]

Your wait is not in vain hopefully. The downtown you get is of the latest improvement. I have not taken the parts out to check yet, but was told is of the latest revision SK60AE. On the web, the Nikita 300 known in Taiwan has all the improved parts from the shadow 300 which provide better acceleration, less vibration and hopefully reliability.

[parotae]

Just checked the bottom of the scoot and found some ventings below. The radiator fan seat just above the lower cowl. I see there is no debri inside. I thought may be a rat went in and got dislodge in the fan. The radiator and and fan seat very low. Wah if flood arh, can use the fan for propulsion system like the hippo tour amphibian vehicle ha ha. Put a switch, off the engine and switch on the radiator fan. Wah jet ski

[paithorn]

Welcome to the DT club! I was from SW too...

[francisteo]

Hi, downtown brothers. I am contemplating whether to get the Downtown 300i or the MaxSym 400i. Anyone can give me

 

more ideas

[parotae]

Hi, downtown brothers. I am contemplating whether to get the Downtown 300i or the MaxSym 400i. Anyone can give me

 

more ideas

 

As Maxsym 400i is relatively new, not much info can be found on the net. Unless you want to wait for the review of those going to own it in october, comparison in performance is not possible. Then again, Downtown is in a class of it's own in the 300cc category rather than compare it to a 400cc category. I would say downtown sits between the 250cc and 400cc thingy. More power than a 250 but lighter than a 400. If only compare in 300cc class then downtown comes out top in Sg. If you compare 400 Silverwing to T-Max500 then there is of course the difference in performance. It all depends on what you are looking for.

 

Here are some suggestion to help you narrow down your choice

1. Looks

2. Comfort (use for touring/long distance/City) Pillion Comfort

3. Weight ( Heavy/Stable at high speed pig in traffic)

4. Fuel Consumption (If it performed well but drinks, it's ok. But if it performed well and sips, it's more than ok)

5. After sale service (Parts Support and availability)

6. Resale Value

7. Reliability

8. Performance (Stopping power, acceleration, engine braking, top speed...etc)

9. Maintenance (Belt change interval, oil change interval, life span of parts, tire size, brake pads...etc)

10. Power to weight ratio (means you are not wasting power to carry the weight of the scoot)

11. After market parts (Exhaust, Variator, rollers, hit clutch, torque spring...etc)

12. Customization (option to bling your ride) Add box, add rack, add side box.

13. Road tax and Insurance (300cc and 400cc road tax price different)

14. Upgradeable (Meaning if a newer improved parts come out, you can change it to a better one)

15. Ride height ( tip toe, like higher or seat lower)

16. Storage (can put more things)

17. Wheel base (shorter wheel base, turn quicker)

18. Track record (How long has it been in the market)

 

If you ask about downtown, this is what i know.

1.Lower center of gravity. Stability

2.Good fuel consumption. (~30km/l) http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/kymco/downtown%20300i

3.Reliable like japanese scooters.

4.Japanese and German Technology

5.Went through a few revision already, so the latest model is enhanced and improved.

6.After sales support like spare parts and service.

7.Lighter 166kg maneuverability in traffic.( Maxsym 400 210kg)

8.Can feel the Torque (feel the scoot pull when throttle opens )

9.Belt can last from between 20,000km up to 40,000km

10. Pick up

Edited September 17, 2011 by parotae

[parotae]

Today went to ubi to order some parts, wah got a few uncle there with their kymco dink 200 and dink 150. But one particular scoot that caught my eye and was making me drool with envy is the brand spanking new Xciting 300i metallic brown scoot an uncle was on. Due to the evening sky and the shade from the tree the Xciting stood out like a sexy babe on the streets.3 words,Damn Bloody Chio! Really make me regret a bit but was reminded why i chose the Downtown ha ha. An uncle was scrutinizing my scoot then and ask me if my scoot have any problems cause the scooty opposite which is the Exciting 300i was problem free and very good. I was like what the...Downtown is older then xciting (the newer model) and he doesn't know about downtown. But he told me his dink is giving him a headache ha ha. Wah Xciting very Chio, then i was reminded of the small under storage space, but still very chio. I want one!

[parotae]

Aiyah, sorry sorry double post, slow computer:p still running on pentium IV lah. Ha ha sometimes hang, sometimes shut down and sometimes cannot start up.

Edited September 20, 2011 by parotae

[parotae]

Recently sourcing for a relay for my Downtown to convert signal bulb to LED, came across a taiwanese web site that made the relay for kymco and yamaha. What puzzles me is they carry Kymco downtown/Nikita and myroad and the rest of the smaller cc Kymco scooters but non for the new Xciting 300i. I was like huh, MyRoad700i is newer than Xciting 300i and yet they don't have a relay for Xciting 300i. Suddenly i remembered seeing the ECU of Xciting 300i and it's computer management system are handled by Germany BOSCH system. Maybe that's why the parts are not listed since it's handled by a German system rather than a Taiwan one.

Then comes the next question. If Downtown is BMW Technology and Xiciting 300i is HONDA Technology, why are downtown having BMW technology running a Japanese's KEIHIN system and Xciting 300i having Japanese technology running BMW's BOSCH system. Isn't it weird? Is there a conspiracy here or are KYMCO not allowed to have everything GERMAN on a single scooter. If that old man is right about Xciting being more reliable or rather problem free so far, i guess the Bosch engine management system plays a part too. Why i say this is base on my own assumption that before BMW intervention (which i don't know when) was all running on Japanese systems since they produce parts for Honda. I am also wondering if Xciting is running the BMW Technology block also? If it doesn't then my question is again why? German engine Japanese's system and Japanese's engine german's system. I want all german on one single scoot or all Japanese on one single scoot.

What's this??? Japanese Sushi + German Bratwurst(sausage) = Suwurst or Wurstshi ??? How it'll taste? So far so good...ha ha ha ha

Edited September 20, 2011 by parotae

[parotae]

Keyless system have a problem when your battery is weak. You can't operate the seat you can't change the battery.

 

KYMCO realise this problem and currently stop production on the keyless system and in future you can enhance it.

 

Even cars, once no battery cannot open the boot and don't even have a keyhole at the back. Inside also not mechanical lever (electronic switch) unlike the bonnet can open with lever.

[paithorn]

Not true, my keyless car does have a key hole at the boot.

 

Also the Honda Majesty 250 does have a mechanical latch to open the seat/engine compartment if battery is flat.

[parotae]

Not true, my keyless car does have a key hole at the boot.

 

Also the Honda Majesty 250 does have a mechanical latch to open the seat/engine compartment if battery is flat.

 

Sorry, i wasn't car specific enough. Only experience Nissan Teana and i believe most nissan too with keyless technology got no key hole behind. Your car manufacturer are more thoughtful, so it's a very strange phenomenon not to have an emergency one.

[Bike Yong]

Hi all, just ordered my Downtown yesterday and waiting for it to arrive.

 

Was previously riding a Silverwing but the bike getting old liao.

 

Anyway, hope it is not too big a downgrade for me.

 

Try it you won't regard it

[parotae]

Try it you won't regard it

 

No no no, you should regard it. Of course i know it meant won't regret it lah ha ha.

[Bike Yong]

Recently sourcing for a relay for my Downtown to convert signal bulb to LED, came across a taiwanese web site that made the relay for kymco and yamaha. What puzzles me is they carry Kymco downtown/Nikita and myroad and the rest of the smaller cc Kymco scooters but non for the new Xciting 300i. I was like huh, MyRoad700i is newer than Xciting 300i and yet they don't have a relay for Xciting 300i. Suddenly i remembered seeing the ECU of Xciting 300i and it's computer management system are handled by Germany BOSCH system. Maybe that's why the parts are not listed since it's handled by a German system rather than a Taiwan one.

Then comes the next question. If Downtown is BMW Technology and Xiciting 300i is HONDA Technology, why are downtown having BMW technology running a Japanese's KEIHIN system and Xciting 300i having Japanese technology running BMW's BOSCH system. Isn't it weird? Is there a conspiracy here or are KYMCO not allowed to have everything GERMAN on a single scooter. If that old man is right about Xciting being more reliable or rather problem free so far, i guess the Bosch engine management system plays a part too. Why i say this is base on my own assumption that before BMW intervention (which i don't know when) was all running on Japanese systems since they produce parts for Honda. I am also wondering if Xciting is running the BMW Technology block also? If it doesn't then my question is again why? German engine Japanese's system and Japanese's engine german's system. I want all german on one single scoot or all Japanese on one single scoot.

What's this??? Japanese Sushi + German Bratwurst(sausage) = Suwurst or Wurstshi ??? How it'll taste? So far so good...ha ha ha ha

 

If you want to convert buld to LED you need a relay and you can purchase it at Chong Aik in Desker Road.

 

As regard to technology for DT300i and X300Ri, they both use KEIHIN injector and ECU.

 

As regard to BOSCH is only in the ABS system.

 

KYMCO did not combine the ABS into one ECU because they are not compatible.

 

Till now many knows that KYMCO base management is from Honda and current technology from BMW allow them to produce smaller and lighter engine with higher output.

 

With the 2 technology combine KYMCO produce a better engine with low maintenance.

 

For X300Ri is still using steel sleeve and DT300i is using nickle plating technology.