[Technical] Engine Oil - All related matters in EO

[thechosenx]

Strictly for TA200 riders reviews only

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Bel-Ray-96262-Thumper-20W50-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Belray thumper 20w50(Unique motorsports/hkl) $18

Hydher - After 1000k,gear shifting was slick 4.5/5

TheChosenX - I loved it to the end. Only after 1000k++ that the throttle is smoother and engine has lesser vibration. 4.5/5

 

 

 

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_malaysia/STAGING/local_assets/images/products/mco_power14t_malaysia_375x253.jpg

Castrol Power 1 15w40 (Thailand) 100 baht / S$4.26

VidaK - Gear changing is a little stiff, engine sounds rough and top speed is much lower than before 2/5

jianping - worst EO on my bike, engine feels less powerful,noisy and rough.. need to throttle alot more to attain 90km/hr on expressway.. avoid this.. i bought at $12.. 1/5

 

 

 

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Chessa Chex 9000 10w50 (planet) $16

VidaK - No gear changing problems, or other problems. Although there is more vibration then quality oils, it is good value for your money 4/5

jtzx- Great fully syn Eo. which is value for money which can last at least 2.5k millege 5/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to FUCHS brand.

 

 

FUCHS [Which series?]15w50 (planet) $10

Hydher - I hated it after 1k, gear changing was rough as hell and stuck at neutrals 2/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to CHEX brand.

icearmour- gear changing was very hard..too much vibration as well..changed after 500km...1/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-32901-Maxum4-Extra-100-Synthetic-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-15W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 15w50 extra (planet) $21

VidaK - no problems with the bike, but compared to the chex, this oil lost outright since its much more expensive... 3/5

icearmour - no problems, speed, smoothness, vibration etc all are at decent levels...but not the best in anything so 4/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-35901B-Maxum4-Synthetic-Blend-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-20W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 20w50 synblend (planet) $15

Hydher - Was used for long distance travelling. Was soso. 4/5

nuttybing - can feel the roughness in changing gears after around 1300km, so so only 3/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-36901-Maxum4-Ultra-100-Synthetic-High-RPM-Formula-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-5W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 5w50 ultra (planet) $23

VidaK - No doubt it is a good oil, but it is a little expensive 3.5/5

 

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Mobil 20w50 $7

Pending reviews

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/300V_4T_FACTORYLINE_15W50.jpg

Motul 300v 15w50 (planet) $28

VidaK - The smoothest is unreal. In fact top speed increased. 4.5/5

ckoonyin - very smooth; last me until 1000km before it started to get rough 4/5

ckoonyin - 2nd time using it again, damn smooth, gear changes are very positive. engine vibration is noticably muted compared to Motul 7100

icearmour- overall smoothness increased nicely:thumb:vibration still there but slightly lesser....4/5

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/5100_4T_15W50_1L_A.jpg

Motul 5100 15w50 (semi)

nuttybing - Gear changing is really smooth, can feel the power along with the throttle, around 2000km can feel it deteriorating 4/5

ckoonyin - roughness was similar before i did EO change from Motul 300 3/5

 

http://www.motorcycle-road-and-race.co.uk/catalog/images/7100-full-synthetic-ester-motul-4l.jpg

 

Motul 7100 10w40 100% Syn Ester $22

lycan - still trying it out. feels smoother than Motul 5100.

ckoonyin - not much diff between Motul 5100

TheChosenX - Trying it out for the first time. Throttle is so much smoother and more responsive. But nosiy compared to my thumper 20W50.

 

 

NASA [Which series?]10w40 (planet) $10

Hydher - Not bad in all rounders even price. 4/5.

jtzx - pick up quite bad but over all good.. 3.5/5

armani123sg- acceleration faster, nicer sound, better than the FUCHS and CHEX but my FC decrease from usually 40km/hr on FUCHS/CHEX to 37km/hr on NASA...

 

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Putoline SUPER DX 4 SEMI SYN $8 LAB

Rating 2.5/5. Useable for 2k and you get what you pay for.

 

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Total 15w50 $8.90

jtzx - Bought this at carefour for only $5.90 for my DIy oiler.

 

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Verity 15w50 fully synthetic (planet) $26

VidaK - It is very good, but not the best. Quite expensive also... 3.5/5

Amsoil 10w40(25$)

icearmour- gear changing is the smoothess among all..less vibration and as good as motul 300v..top speed not so great so 4/5

Edited August 11, 2010 by thechosenx

[manfred]

went to mustafa intending to get Maxima 20w50 synblend ($16) but i saw other maxima with different grading.. so i was confusing about the types of grading..i prefer to have less vibration when at higher speed so wat type of grading should i use? oso is it possible to use the EO i bought when i send my bike for service?

[Hydher]

went to mustafa intending to get Maxima 20w50 synblend ($16) but i saw other maxima with different grading.. so i was confusing about the types of grading..i prefer to have less vibration when at higher speed so wat type of grading should i use? oso is it possible to use the EO i bought when i send my bike for service?

 

Do a goggle for a scientific write up on engine oil ratings.

In short 20w50 is much thicker then 10w40. There are also synthetic, semi synthetic and mineral oil. For better gear shifting, use a thicker oil, for a quieter ride, use a thinner oil. But..... dun expect too much

 

About DIY oil change, i do not reccomend that. We'd usually round our nut, take a hell of a time and improper disposal of eo is bad for gaia. perhaps thats just me! Yes. you can bring to other shops to do it for you.. but at a $2-5 extra service charge... heck.. just use what they have to offer man!

[RxzDelux]

Then I will have to go kaki bukit and buy a few bottles of Chex 9000. Lazy to go all the way there. Then just change at unqiue Motorsports and others.

 

 

 

No need to buy a few bottles lar bro. The engine oil 1 bottle is cheap already. Want to change just go workshop change nia. Not so troublesome.

[RxzDelux]

Hi bro Kalyan. I just get to change to Chex9000 10W50 but i get it at $14 only per bottle include they change for me.

[thechosenx]

No need to buy a few bottles lar bro. The engine oil 1 bottle is cheap already. Want to change just go workshop change nia. Not so troublesome.

 

I really very lazy lar. And Im staying west side. So in the end still went UM to change engine oil. Changed to Motul 7100 10W40. At least got to meet ckoonyin there

[RxzDelux]

I really very lazy lar. And Im staying west side. So in the end still went UM to change engine oil. Changed to Motul 7100 10W40. At least got to meet ckoonyin there

 

Wah Motul 7100 ar. Got Motul 7100 20W50 or not? How much $$ per bottle u change ar?

[thechosenx]

I think for motul the price would be over $25 for all EO they have. I bought from Unique Motorsports at toh guan. You can read my reviews on the top there.

 

As for 20W50 I dun think have. But maybe 15W50? You can try there. I bought my Pirelli tires on that day too

[RxzDelux]

I think for motul the price would be over $25 for all EO they have. I bought from Unique Motorsports at toh guan. You can read my reviews on the top there.

 

As for 20W50 I dun think have. But maybe 15W50? You can try there. I bought my Pirelli tires on that day too

 

Read your review abt this motul already. Wah? Noisy ar? So Belray Thumper is better ar?

[thechosenx]

At first it was noise. Right now its much better. At high speeds the engine sounds good and it is not screaming.

Edited August 24, 2010 by thechosenx

[naim]

guys! i jux checked my engine oil.. wow! there was nothing on the dipstick la.. guess my maxima extra 15w50 evaporated.. but dat bad? its been about 2000km since my last service... any EO to recommend? cux i nd to top it up as well..

[kmjoe]

jus look at the reviews a few post above?? personally i choose chex 9000

[RxzDelux]

guys! i jux checked my engine oil.. wow! there was nothing on the dipstick la.. guess my maxima extra 15w50 evaporated.. but dat bad? its been about 2000km since my last service... any EO to recommend? cux i nd to top it up as well..

 

Hi maybe u would like to try Chex9000 10W50? Some more not so expensive? Abt $14 to $16 only per bottle?

[naim]

the chex 9000 can only get at Planet isit? Ubi very far eh...

[Charlton]

the chex 9000 can only get at Planet isit? Ubi very far eh...

 

which area u live?

[jtzx]

Gonna try motul and NASA next time round ;D using chex9000 for 1 year already..

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

the chex 9000 can only get at Planet isit? Ubi very far eh...

 

I confirm that certain brands of oil have low flash points leading to evaporation of EO.

 

Chex 9000 is a newer SM formulation that has greater stability, lower oil drag and quieter running capabilities. And it's also cheaper than your many-years-old Motul full synthetic.

 

As for 10W40 vs 15W50 - the thicker oil (50) will give better protection at high temperature conditions (wide open throttle on the highway). 10W40 will be quieter.

 

This goes all out of the window when considering synthetics, due to the advanced formulation and zero impurities (mineral EO is refined, synthetic is formulated in a lab).

 

Expect to hear your engine grinding to bits at high revs with lousy EO like Castrol the moment you hit the highway (oil can't take the abuse). Chex is only $6 more expensive than lousy mineral EO and runs much better.

 

As for API certifications - the "later" the letter, the newer the formulation. Newer formulations have to meet higher protection and fuel efficiency standards.

 

So between a API SJ $28 full synthetic and a $16 SM... go for the second one (Chex).

 

Got some new info on oil drain intervals... apparently on bikes with oil filters, synthetic EO can last more than 15 thousand miles easily, provided the filter is changed every 5k miles. However, we can't do that because of the lack of an oil filter.

 

I might try 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000 km intervals just to see if it explodes. Possibly not a good idea on Phantom as it stresses the oil a lot, and no filter = little metal shavings flying around

[thechosenx]

I just went riding with my friend for 6 hours straight. Im not sure whether is it the engine oil but the longer hours my phantom is going the more smooth the engine is. Thottle is alot smoother, can reach 120km/h easily. And of course I just pumped v-power just now. =x Does that affect?

 

Motul is good!

 

I guess for me in singapore the roads are short have to max the feeling of each trip I make. So I really dun mind if it is a little more expensive for me, and unique motor is nearer for me. (:

[jtzx]

i guess all EO are the same.. I went to long msia trips.. and trottling around 110km on my meter.. The longer i travel the smoother the engine goes.. But but... After the 2nd hour, i could not feel my hands.. Numb already...

 

Vpower gives us a little boost and it stinks.. The petrol fumes came out from the pipe stinks like no one business.. of cause with my Chain oiler, my ride is even smoother and quieter....

 

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[thechosenx]

i guess all EO are the same.. I went to long msia trips.. and trottling around 110km on my meter.. The longer i travel the smoother the engine goes.. But but... After the 2nd hour, i could not feel my hands.. Numb already...

 

Vpower gives us a little boost and it stinks.. The petrol fumes came out from the pipe stinks like no one business..

 

For the numb part I will agree on my old belray engine oil as for motul my hands will really fine, no numbness at all.

[jtzx]

For the numb part I will agree on my old belray engine oil as for motul my hands will really fine, no numbness at all.

 

you try cruising at 110km -120km for 2 hours straight.. U will understand ;D

[naim]

thanks guys for the help.. esp kalyan for that interesting stuff about EO..

 

i work wif EO every single day in an SAF workshop depot... but only deal wif heavy diesel vehicles.. we use standard grades for each type of vehicle, so nv really got into understanding the differences..

 

maxima extra a NO-NO for me ever again! definitely gonna try chex 9000.. any idea if planet opens on sundays?

[thechosenx]

Errr.. Yes I was doing 100 - 110km..

[kmjoe]

you try cruising at 110km -120km for 2 hours straight.. U will understand ;D

 

jt, one thing about our aftermarket grips is that it has no balancer to reduce the vibration therefore we might feel more vibration on our handle compared to handlebars with balancer once experienced even a 1hr ride at 100km w/t glove for me i will feel numb, tts y i prefer to have glove, reduce the numbness n vibration abit

[RxzDelux]

Hi Bro Kalyan. I thought 15W50 is more quieter than 10W40 right? How come u said 10W40 is quieter than 15W50? Hmmm.... Now i confused...