Racing Suits

[hsp_89]

Originally posted by Throttle@Sep 12 2004, 12:49 PM

indra, for $300, the suit would not be trackworthy anymore...............

but guess find a one cheaper than a 1st hand, at the same time can help those who decided to retire from track to pass down to the new generation

I also looking for one..

[indralove]

Originally posted by Throttle@Sep 12 2004, 12:49 PM

indra, for $300, the suit would not be trackworthy anymore...............

I know, just wanna something that prevent scratches to my body ..... about break, fracture, i'm not worry of.... but bruises is wat i hate most

[Arcfire]

Originally posted by indralove@Sep 12 2004, 07:40 PM

I know, just wanna something that prevent scratches to my body ..... about break, fracture, i'm not worry of.... but bruises is wat i hate most

Woah......... thats a very very wrong conception here..........

A suit should be something that would save you from the impact of the fall and the sliding that follows after...... It might not save you from breaking a few bones but will definitely reduce the chances of having more bones broken....

One important point to take note.......any equipment after use for more than a year will deteriorate in its ability to withstand the same impact compared to a brand new item.....getting a 2nd hand suit is fine, but make sure that the suit is well taken care of, else it will tear, not at the seams but the leather itself..... this is the risk that you are taking when getting a 2nd hand suit.

Don't think so much about getting bruises, instead, think more about the ability of the suit to save your life as a whole......isn't that something more worth considering compared to a few bruises?

[Kira Yamato]

u frenz came today

but cant find one for his size

told him to come agian

when New shippment arrived....

[shoei]

i recently got a air flux from JR.i need a back protector.how much is one thrash2limit?

[Arcfire]

Originally posted by thrash2limit@Sep 15 2004, 12:16 AM

u frenz came today

but cant find one for his size

told him to come agian

when New shippment arrived....

hu's frenz?

[Seven]

hi guys,

has anyone got a suit from LAB like alpinestar or naikai?? Any comment for both the suit and how much did you paid for??

[Guest ATOMIC]

hi 7 ! lab sell gd suit??

[Kira Yamato]

Originally posted by ATOMIC@Sep 30 2004, 08:54 AM

hi 7 ! lab sell gd suit??

JR also has gd suit

will give u a good prices

IF u really want one!

[Geordie Steve]

Got a couple of questions...

 

1) Does anyone (other than Throttle) wear the Clover RC100 suit? Any good? They look fantastic!

 

2) Anyone got any idea how good the X-Strom suits are that Bike Tech are selling? Maybe I'm too suspicious, but $650 seems too cheap for a good suit...

 

Thks!

[Throttle]

Steve,

 

x strom suits pretty OK for its worth but from the make and feel, it's quite clear that the leather is of mediocre quality as compared to the better brands.

 

in my opinion i find that the following qualities make a good racesuit.

 

1. soft yet relatively thick leather which does not look dull

dull color is a sign of aged leather drying out.

2. perforation for the ever hot tropical climate we live in

3. washable removable inner lining

4. strong thick zippers which clipped easily and run smoothly

5. well-shaped and pre-formed knees and elbow for easy bending

6. cushioning at major impact points especially tailbone and hips and torso areas.

7. Removable CE approved body armor.

8. excellent , uncomprising stitching.

 

 

 

[Guest Reddevil76]

Originally posted by Geordie Steve@Oct 6 2004, 02:33 PM

Got a couple of questions...

 

1) Does anyone (other than Throttle) wear the Clover RC100 suit? Any good? They look fantastic!

 

2) Anyone got any idea how good the X-Strom suits are that Bike Tech are selling? Maybe I'm too suspicious, but $650 seems too cheap for a good suit...

 

Thks!

Hi, Xstrom suits are relatively cheaper because:

 

- They dun have huge sponsorships

- They are no frills of course, but have the basic desirables: like hump, CE hard amor, perforation in non-impact areas

- And because the importer himself does not want high margins, he started off this freelance thing because he wanted to offer his friends an affordable option. It grew to a small business, but the principle remains.

 

I'm not too sure how Throttle evaluated the leather to be inferior. Based on...? Perhaps he can share more... or perhaps he requires that the leather comes from a cow who has a bachelor degree.

 

Anyway, I've heard of people who wore branded gloves and had stitching come undone in a month, and had their hands "dyed" by the gloves on rainy days. Customers who wore Xstrom gloves never had that problem. So what is a brand?

 

Also, customers have crash tested these suits and they held up just like they expected to. In fact, Xstrom suits have a few customers who are competent amateurs themselves. They see the suit's worth for what it is, and rather save the extra (that they will pay for a brand) so they can fund more of their racing. These people have gone through enough types of suit to not buy an inferior suit if it is really inferior.

 

Perhaps it is the real amateurs who needs a branded suit to make them look fast. But sadly, even the most expensive suits out there won't make you fast if you are just not... fast.

 

Perhaps the poseur value is worth it.

[Kira Yamato]

hahaha.......

expensive suits made u feel safer

cos many pro has already test for u liao.............

no hard feeling.......mate

[Throttle]

by touching , feeling and looking and comparing, of course.

as would any other consumer, Reddevil. (here we go again)

 

like i said, X-strom = value for money and will probably do it's job but a very good suit , it isnt. (face it, bro)

 

however if it's $650, it's very reasonable for someone who wants to buy and use it for the track.

 

 

 

 

good job for keeping prices affordable, reddevil.

 

 

==============The End++++++++++++++

[Throttle]

Dylan,

 

I certainly believe that your suits and their prices are enough to sell themselves.

 

the market (including myself) will form our own opinions after evaluating the product in our minds.

 

Frankly, it would help your business image if you are less defensive about your stuff.

[Guest Reddevil76]

Originally posted by Throttle@Oct 10 2004, 12:22 AM

Dylan,

 

I certainly believe that your suits and their prices are enough to sell themselves.

 

the market (including myself) will form our own opinions after evaluating the product in our minds.

 

Frankly, it would help your business image if you are less defensive about your stuff.

I gotta say this, I've seen many comments about Xstrom stuff in forums here, and even in KL forums. I never saw the need to answer every of them. If I were defensive, I would. For e.g., one person in a KL forum said their ugly, but I never replied. Because looks are subjective, so he has a right to form his own opinion of the suits.

 

They were never positioned to be high end suits, I agree. But I draw the line when the comment is on the leather itself. Because I know for one fact, which other brands uses EXACTLY the same leather. Because those brands are made by the same manufacturer, who has the same leather supplier. But my guess is you wouldn't make the same comment about those's brands' suits, because they are... branded. And you won't be the first one, bro. It is a Singaporean thing. We all learn from marketing, that a brand carries certain attributes. Just like Tiger beer makes you think of parties and a good time. A ugly sounding name beer sold in a dingy provision shop would probably "taste" bad before you actually even crack open the can! A brand does wonders.

 

Even people who cannot afford a branded suit, will rather buy a crashed branded suit second hand, than to buy a brand new non-branded suit. It is a fact that I have learned.

 

Lastly, the softness of the leather, can sometimes be the illusion of thin leather at work. Look at Bulldog leathers of UK. They certainly don't slip on like silk, like Dainese. They also require a longer break-in period than other brands. But why? Is their leather hard and thus, concluded to be inferior? No, it is because they use 1.4-1.5mm leather for their suits. It may be uncomfy while new. But once broken in, you will have the toughest suit out there.

 

It is the same for Xstrom suits.

[Seven]

Hi guys,

I used to own a X-strom suit. For me, I find that the leather is thick but hard. But i believe it will turn soft as time goes by. It's have all the basic protection from a price $650 suit, indeed it has more(the hum thing, the next cheaper suit with hum will be R-tech which is $9++). Anyway throttle, the inner linner cannot be remove to wash, it's fix.

 

I have sold the suit off because the color does not match my bike's color. I intend to get the suit in red but is all sold out, I look around but not able to find one that fits me. In the end, i got a dainese suit which cost more, much more.

 

Steve, hope you find a suit that suits you and enjoy your track day.

 

&

[Throttle]

It is not about thickness of the leather, Dylan.

1.4 - 1.5 mm thick leather is quite a standard for racing suits.

If the leather is hard when new and needs wearing in then, I consider it not a top class suit. it may still do its duty and everything but it is not comparable to a top class suit which is soft right from the start.

 

Bulldog suits are not top class, simple as that.

I do not know what other brands you are talking about, really.

For me, I am comparing with top class brands.

Most top class brands , needs no wearing in.

The leather is anytime as thick.

 

other areas that picky consumers like myself look out for:-

neat and perfect stitching.

Perfect cutting of leather.

In other words, good workmanship.

 

for top brands, the suit is expensive becos of the marketing, sponsorships etc.... we fully understand and know that fact.

 

but again coming back to the suit, do you know another main reason why Top class suits cost more, other than becos of all the extra money spent on marketing, etc....? Do you want to know?

 

I have nothing against X-strom, I declare, and neither against other brands.

I will make comments on any brand and I am not partial.

I am a loud consumer, thats all. I do not represent the market, I represent myself and perhaps other likeminded people.

 

A brand carries everything, including reputation and what it represents.

You know that well. A brand also represents the company or people behind it.

Very often, you are your own brand.

 

I have personally encouraged a few people to look at X-strom as an entry suit (since the early days). This including Steve himself, when I brought him to Biketech a few weeks ago. Like I have said, value for money and does its duty but certainly not top class.

[Guest Reddevil76]

I agree on this, it was, and will always be targeted for people looking for an entry level suit that offers all the standard protection and features. I leave the top class market to its own.

 

However, like I said, though I've never draw any frills about Xstrom suits, I must state that even as an entry level suit, it must do its work when needed. I.e the leather of the suit must be of certain quality. It may not be soft, but it is definitely not of mediocre quality. There are dozens of other leather out there which fits that description.

 

Let's end this here, and let the others go see for themselves.

 

Cheers, mate!

[Kira Yamato]

NEW DIANESE STUFFS IS IN JR NOW

COME TAKE A LOOK

NO BUY NEVER MIND.................

[bio-Bee]

Originally posted by Throttle@Aug 17 2004, 12:51 PM

Clover RC100

I can get good price.

 

but only if you go with me.

 

If you are truly interested and ready to buy, then we go. otherwise very paiseh to bring someone and not buy.

I am interested. anyway we can arrange to meet up? but price and size mus be right.

 

:cheer:

[clubhead]

Originally posted by shoei@Sep 15 2004, 02:10 AM

i recently got a air flux from JR.i need a back protector.how much is one thrash2limit?

It's about $80 if I'm not wrong. Just slot behind the jacket. I've got the same setup

[clubhead]

Originally posted by bio-Bee@Oct 21 2004, 06:09 PM

I am interested. anyway we can arrange to meet up? but price and size mus be right.

I suggest you try a few brands to evaluate the fit. Size is not necessary indicative of a good fit. All can be the same siize but some are tight, some are just nice and some are loose... You'll never know if you just try and buy the first suit you come across.

[Throttle]

Bio Bee, yes, you must try the suit before buying. otherwise dont buy. Price will certainly be very reasonable.

 

However, I dont even know you so why dont you intro a bit.

 

i dont want to misuse my relationship with the folks.

[EarlyBird]

Hi all senior,

 

Just to check with you guys, how you guys clean / wash your suit? Do you sent your suit for dry cleaning? just wonder..