Helmet with no PSB sticker!

[scubasimon]

i cannot understand why the expensive helmets do not have psb stickers though. after all, if the price is high already, how much higher does it need to be to get approval from psb? i mean, if a shoei/arai/shark/agv etc etc helmet is already costing many hundreds, sending for approval can't increase the cost that much i would think.

 

anyway...just get the best that you can afford, sticker or otherwise. if the sticker is important for your peace of mind, then get those that have.

 

my shoei doesn't have one...but my next one will still be a shoei...and it better have one. hahaha!

[Raptor]

To award that piece of paper sticker to that series of helmets...a batch of ten must be sent to their lab for their safety and standards 'tests'.

 

If you are the importer of that helmet.. will send 10 of your $800 high end helmets for destructive testing to meet their "strict safety" standards which dunno how but seems to be "higher" than DOT? How to make back the loss????

 

Lim Ah Boy can send 100 of his 30 dollar Made in Malaysia helmets for testing and don't feel a thing. But of course.. these helmets will be accorded the "stamp of approval" sticker.

 

Come on lah.. if the standard is so bloody high... then I expect a higher quality sticker or at least it should a high quality embroidery patch sewn into the inner lining of the helmet.

 

No..they give you a stupid sticker whose adhesion quality is worst than those locally made stickers from Aunty shop. Why? Cost cutting... maximum profit with minimum cost. And they stick to the outside of the helmet which is the stupidest place to do so, don't you think? They put it there so that it is easy for someone to spot a helmet without one so they can stop and summon the poor fellow for wearing a non-approved helmet. Now you know why it is stuck outside at the back???

 

And what I don't understand is why do people get their undies all twisted in knots when they see a helmet without that piece of toilet paper sticker. Sigh.

 

All my helmets never had that sticker... and they have saved my face and head many a times on the track when I crashed because they are high end helmets which are too expensive for an importer to send for useless destructive money making testing.

Edited August 20, 2009 by Raptor

[lutein]

just be wary insurance companies might make use of the fact that the helmet u are not wearing is not psb approved and null your claims in an accident even if its a top of the line with all kinds of other international certification~

 

This was not the case in one accident I know of. The other party was clearly at fault and whether or not the helmet was PSB certified did not come into the picture.

[scubasimon]

If you are the importer of that helmet.. will send 10 of your $800 high end helmets for destructive testing to meet their "strict safety" standards which dunno how but seems to be "higher" than DOT? How to make back the loss????

 

No..they give you a stupid sticker whose adhesion quality is worst than those locally made stickers from Aunty shop. Why? Cost cutting... maximum profit with minimum cost. And they stick to the outside of the helmet which is the stupidest place to do so, don't you think? They put it there so that it is easy for someone to spot a helmet without one so they can stop and summon the poor fellow for wearing a non-approved helmet. Now you know why it is stuck outside at the back???

 

And what I don't understand is why do people get their undies all twisted in knots when they see a helmet without that piece of toilet paper sticker. Sigh.

 

damn funny lah you. anyway, for me, i'd pay a little more for my helmet if i had to. not that my undies are twisted, or that i think the sticker adhers well. in fact you are very right...it is a crappy piece of sticker...but i just like the fact that its there...although my current one does not have it and i love that helmet so much...i sure am contradicting myself over and over. so maybe something inside is twisted afterall. hahaha!

 

seriously though...sticker or not, i will say again to get the absolute best helmet you can afford. i agree there is no point getting a cheapo half face helmet with a sticker when you can afford a much better full face one without a sticker. also...your purchasing decision (like mine) eventually shows whats more important to you. safety? get the full face type. legality and other stuff like that? get the sticker type. style? get the one you like the best...of course many variations and combinations within...so ultimately for me...safety comes first...then style...sticker last...must be lah cos of the one i bought :-)

[scubasimon]

by the way, legally speaking, i mean strictly legally speaking, the road traffic act spelled it out quite clearly that all helmets worn must be of the type approved by the minister. i haven't been able to find the definition of "type" anywhere....and "the minister" for this article is referring to the minister of home affairs...strange.

 

quote from road traffic act article 74:

Drivers and pillion riders of motor cycles to wear protective helmets

74. —(1) Every person who drives or is carried on a motor cycle shall wear securely on his head a protective helmet of a type approved by the Minister.

(2) No person shall import, sell or offer for sale or have in his possession for sale any protective helmet which is not of a type approved by the Minister.

[7/90]

(3) Any person who contravenes subsection (1) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $200.

(4) Any person who contravenes subsection (2) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

[shunoski]

Hence all unapproved, non-psb helmet selling in shops, have the disclaimer "FOR EXPORT ONLY", it's only up to the buyer to not export it and wear it for themselves. Similarly for visors, all my N43's face shields are "FOR TRACK" or "FOR EXPORT".

 

Haiz... who would be so dumb to flip a dark visor at night and ride like....

 

Three blind mice, three blind mice,

see how they ride, see how they ride.

They all run away from TP bike, who summon them with a big big fine.

Have you ever seen such a thing in your life?

Three blind mice, three blind mice.

Edited August 21, 2009 by shunoski

[scubasimon]

technically, many helmets in shops are not marked as "for export"...mine for example, was on the normal shelves. but if anyone of authority were to check, i'm sure they'll just stick something up there quickly right? at the end of the day, it is ambiguous still. think the market is too small for the authorities to worry about...just like the stupid p-plate and the tp did not give a satisfactory response on that as well.

[contrarian]

by the way, legally speaking, i mean strictly legally speaking, the road traffic act spelled it out quite clearly that all helmets worn must be of the type approved by the minister. i haven't been able to find the definition of "type" anywhere....and "the minister" for this article is referring to the minister of home affairs...strange.

 

quote from road traffic act article 74:

Drivers and pillion riders of motor cycles to wear protective helmets

74. —(1) Every person who drives or is carried on a motor cycle shall wear securely on his head a protective helmet of a type approved by the Minister.

(2) No person shall import, sell or offer for sale or have in his possession for sale any protective helmet which is not of a type approved by the Minister.

[7/90]

(3) Any person who contravenes subsection (1) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $200.

(4) Any person who contravenes subsection (2) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

 

You won't find this unless you have access to subsidiary legislation. So either you can spend time or effort to find it or take what's extracted as good:

---

ROAD TRAFFIC ACT

 

(CHAPTER 276, SECTION 74 1 AND (2))

 

ROAD TRAFFIC (APPROVED HELMETS) NOTIFICATION

 

 

[1st March 1999]

 

For the purposes of section 74 (1) and (2) of the Act, the protective helmet —

(a) to be worn on the head of every person who drives or is carried on a motor cycle; or

(b) to be sold or offered for sale or had in possession for sale,

shall be of the following type approved by the Minister for Home Affairs:

(i) it shall conform to the requirements of the Singapore Standard Specification S.S. 9:1992 (UDC 614.891: 629.047: 687.4: 629.113) as published by the Singapore Productivity and Standards Board; and

(ii) it shall bear the PSB CERTIFICATION MARK, or the PSB BATCH INSPECTED label, of the Singapore Productivity and Standards Board unless the mark or the label is worn out through wear and tear.

[G.N. No. S 82/99]

[shunoski]

Do visit http://www.agc.gov.sg for all law publication. 24/7, readily online.

[scubasimon]

thanks for the extract and the link...so there we have it...the one i'm wearing is officially not approved. dang :-)

 

by the way, statutes online is where i got the first extract and could not find the 2nd one. i suppose it takes a lot more search effort than i had!

[contrarian]

Do visit www.agc.gov.sg for all law publication. 24/7, readily online.

 

That only has current statutes, not subsidiary legislation.

 

Therefore, "You won't find this unless you have access to subsidiary legislation. So either you can spend time or effort to find it or take what's extracted as good"

[amir6389]

no PSB also problem..haiz. e sticker oso nv protect e head, its e helmet wat..

anw gt any sticker shop make PSB stickers? haha..

[kraikk]

That only has current statutes, not subsidiary legislation.

 

Therefore, "You won't find this unless you have access to subsidiary legislation. So either you can spend time or effort to find it or take what's extracted as good"

 

Any idea why though? The regulations that are relevant to most people are largely contained in the subsidiary legislation. The RTA subsidiary legislation is thicker than the Act itself. Furthermore, if they can publish all the statutes it can't cost much more to include the regulations.

[meow]

I dont know if this is the right place, but i do hope to get some advice.

 

I recently bought a helmet from a certain shop, and only realised that it has no PSB sticker when my friend pointed out to me after she wore the helmet.

What should I do?

 

Can I go back to the shop and ask for a refund? Or if anyone can explain to me why a helmet that is not approved can be sold?

 

sometimes its like the funny part of singapore laws..for example like now they let you bring in one packet of malaysia cigarettes to singapore.. then they nea or what catch u without the sdpc.. they earn the fine lo.. they let the shops illegally sell those non approved psb helmets.. then tp see already fine u lo.. get a helmet that you think is reliable for your head in case of any crashes la.. like full face is definitely better than half face and so on.. life we only have one.. so must cherish..

[amir6389]

agree to meow..sumtimes law oso a bit funny.. haiz.

sumtimes e more law,e more ppl wan 2 break it.when ey see ppl break e law, e make even more law..end up more n more law.. mayb one day even e safest ting to sit at home quietly oso cn mean breaking e law..haha.

juz my opinion,tats all..noting much abt e topic..=)

[èèæ]

so whats the penalty for not wearing a PSB sticker approved helmet? has any fellow bros get caught for that yet? I think should be a fine not more than 100 dollars right

[KeraKing]

i bought a helmet from chong aik.

at first i tot it have no sticker.

turns out it is on the inside of the helmet.

[ahcaibiker]

i bought a helmet from chong aik.

at first i tot it have no sticker.

turns out it is on the inside of the helmet.

 

i "rode" with TP just beside or behind me several times wearing my non psb approved full face but they didnt even bother to stop me and fine me. is just another stupid law that is not enforced. snell/dot/ece r 22 or psb? i think the 1st 3 held much more stringent destructive testing compared to psb.

[FEARLESS_FIGHTER]

What get fine for not using a helmet with PSB? If any TP stop you, Just tell them that there are many malaysian riding to Singapore for work and they use their helmet bought in Malaysia does it mean that they are suppose to be fine too? If their helmet are not PSB approve and can use in Singapore road why not yours?

 

If those malaysian rider are not being fine than TP should not fine you, or elas Singapore Law will not be fair and just.

 

Logical thinking If I go to Japan and buy an arai helmet, but no PSB sticker, do I still use?

Sure I still use it because, the helmet is good enough to protect my head than a LAB halmet with PSB sticker. Also the arai helmet is better than the TP's helmet.

 

Well think about it, Singapore gov is not so particular about the PSB helmet they are more concern about the rider safety. So they imprement PSB approve as a guide line for quality control. As long as you use a good helmet, and ride safety I believe the TP will not fine trouble with any riders.

[Raptor]

Anyway. its your life and your own head that is being protected.

 

Peg the price you are willing to pay according to the quality of the helmet and value of your head.

 

Anyway.. the fine will be for wearing a non approved type of helmet... and its only $30. I kena before for wearing a full face helmet when it was not approved for road use yet before 1994.

 

Is your head worth more than one dollar a day??

Edited January 9, 2010 by Raptor

[Kenneth.C]

SNELL and DOT safety standards are recognised worldwide, recognised enough for some helmet manufacturers to paint the logo onto the helmet itself.

 

What about PSB?

[Derek_CWJ]

lol.. would u bare to take your shoei for some crash test when the test is only reconize in singapore? so what happens if u bring your helmet overseas?? is PSB worldwide reconize? or is Dot worldwide reconize? i wonder.. lol

[ricv]

I personally think the PSB sticker thing is an absolute joke. TP should recognise SNELL, DOT, SHARP approvals as well. For us to consider PSB as a real test for helmet safety, perhaps PSB should disclose what type of tests (using what type of equipment) are being conducted on the helmet.

[Orleng]

sigh, what's all the ranting and raving over this psb thingmajig? it's exactly like our exhaust system inspections. even if it's manufactured overseas specifically for that model and certified by the individual country's standards like the EEC and JSMA, when the exhaust is installed on a singapore bike, still have to send it for inspection. govt still requires papers and the like to state that it's for the particular model, and still have to pass STA/VICOM emissions and sound checks before given stamp of approval.

 

sure, snell/dot/ece are prolly higher testing standards, but as long as there's no "ok" from the local authorities, it still won't be approved. it's all about kiasuism and control. and as long as there isn't a concerted written drive for legislation to be passed to recognise foreign standards, it'll never happen. even if there was a coherent effort to do so, still may not be recognised. for a variety of reasons.

 

just think about what's impt, $30 fine or your ability to eat without the need for a feeding tube? personally, haven't had any troubles with my non-approved FF so far.

 

*these are my personal thoughts and opinions and do not, in any way, represent any hard evidence. just some logic.

[4th_Espada]

I personally think the PSB sticker thing is an absolute joke. TP should recognise SNELL, DOT, SHARP approvals as well. For us to consider PSB as a real test for helmet safety, perhaps PSB should disclose what type of tests (using what type of equipment) are being conducted on the helmet.

 

uppss for u...