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Good meet-up and chat last night ... lets do it again next week.

 

We were very lucky .. all the way in to GP n back .. dry n cool.

 

How did the Phantom group do?

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BTW ...

 

In biology, a hermaphrodite is a plant or animal that has reproductive organs normally associated with both male and female sexes.

 

Volpone, a Venetian gentleman, is pretending to be on his deathbed after a long illness in order to dupe Voltore, Corbaccio and Corvino, who aspire to his fortune. They each arrive in turn, bearing extravagant gifts with the aim of being inscribed as Volpone's heir. Mosca, Volpone's assistant, encourages them, making each of them believe that he has been named in the will, and getting Corbaccio to disinherit his son in favour of Volpone.

 

 

My memory has not failed me ...

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Good meet-up and chat last night ... lets do it again next week.

 

We were very lucky .. all the way in to GP n back .. dry n cool.

 

How did the Phantom group do?

 

Phantom group accomplished all "hands on technical" objectives and last man returned to base at 5:11am. How's that for hardcore kopitiam engineering :)

 

We can have a regular tech discussion every week, right now it was fixing some issues with the stock Phantom, next weeks we can do more indepth seminars :3

 

Would have posted this earlier but I was mostly sleeping like cat. I.e., 16 hours a day.

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Shell Rotella T6 diesel engine oil (Rimula here in SG) now has JASO MA approval and hence can be used in motorcycles with wet clutches.

 

Many swear that it's better than motorcycle oil ...

 

Now, with the MA approval, its fine to use ... perhaps some oil experts can comment?

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The oil experts on SBF want to experiment with Mobil Delvac as well. This trend is a natural evolution from those knowledgable folk who, years ago, looked at the specifications and additive packages of turbodiesel pickup oils (and other diesel motor oils) and realised they looked fantastic for motorbike use. This was a very good initiative in nations without access to literally supermarkets full of motorbike oils like is the case in local garages. They also saved a lot of money buying diesel oils and it's a smarter move than some think:

 

Bikes have high revving engines that commonly run at high temperatures during high performance or heavy duty use daily. So do commercial vehicles, of which the example of turbodiesel pickups involve literally, red hot turbos running at 150,000rpms again with prolonged high power settings daily. The additives packages required for high temperature / high shear stability are similar between bike and turbodiesel oils. The difference is that, as stated in the Motor Oil Bible; bike oils are much, much more expensively priced.

 

The oil was always there, and "experts" of motorcycles frequently lampoon those observant few who pointed out the above facts. Big Oil is of course, more than happy to milk the cash cow of overpriced and underspecced motorcycle oils, many of which are using API certifications from 10 or even 20 years ago.

 

Now, people dare to use it because Big Oil Company labels it as a motorcycle oil after passing it through JASO MA certification. Big Oil appears to have had a decade head start over the biking community :3

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I just wonder if it's pure marketing hype !

Can't disagree about different running conditions for bikes though.

One wonders how much can be saved using different oils but running the risks of engine failures.

Like buying insurance :)

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using HDEO for bike is nothing new. we are just travelling on a beaten path.

 

check up BITOG for motorcycle UOA on HDEO. look for anything that contain Rotella, Delo, Delvac or Supertech. such oil for bike is well tried and tested to the bone.

 

even our fellow riders from malaysia is ahead of us in this aspect. for those that understand malay can do a search on their biker fourms MBC. for those that is lazy to search just click here.

 

oil is oil. as long as it can fulfill certain requirement of the intented usage why not :)

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I just wonder if it's pure marketing hype !

Can't disagree about different running conditions for bikes though.

One wonders how much can be saved using different oils but running the risks of engine failures.

Like buying insurance :)

 

To be frank it may be wiser to test the "alternative" oils on small cc bikes first. If something goes really wrong for whatever reason then the fixes are relatively inexpensive. The other way is of course to stick to oils already "tested" by bikers in other countries. As Iso said there's no risk at all.

 

Of course we have no "Top Gear Singapore" oil testing team so Singapore bikers must unite to learn about oils and start testing stuff (scientifically) just like our foreign counterparts did years ago :)

 

I don't think it's too late to start, heck, if there's widespread curiousity on the subject it can benefit anyone. It's not only money saving awareness, it's a great way to know more about automotive technology too. More people know about oil, more people will avoid being carroted in shops. (Oil additive awareness, for one, is very useful, also knowing when to use mineral and when to use synthetic and how to exploit it fully)

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Thanks for comments.

 

The decision is easier now, that is has been MA rated. I am certain no oil company will do so without sufficient testing.

 

One rather persuasive counter-argument is that diesel engines hardly rev as high as petrol ones and even less so than bikes. Some even say that diesel oil will foam when used under such applications??? Those in this camp argue that its best to stick to bike-specific oil.

 

What response do the experts have for this?

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i am not an expert. just share my 2cents.

 

i understand the different between bike and diesel engine. but what evidence does "some" have to show that HDEO will foam under high-speed aplication? assume? guess?

 

almost all EO will have anti-foaming agents for example silicon. not sure if my mermory or knowledge is serving me well so correct me if i am wrong. to get API rating, EO will go through a standard anti-foaming test ASTM D-892. this test apply for engine oil regardless if it is for motorcycle, car or truck engine. so if HDEO passed the test, does it make any sense it will start to foam once it is in a motorcyle engine? does that sound logical to you? unless oil have the ability to know what type of engine they are in :p

 

technical issue aside, you can compare the UOAs in the link i have posted. those are the end result. HDEO UOA certainly does not look pale at all compare to motorcycle specific oil isn't it? so do you think there is major foaming problem? even if it does, it doesn't seem to increase wear so why are those "some" worry about? :)

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Lesson 1:- avoid the causeway if u use specs with a FF helmet

 

Lesson 2:- Specs users with FF helmets - avoid the BIKES lane!!!

 

Lesson 3:- expect a jam going in even at 1 am+ !!

 

Apart that ... a great ride ...

 

The pics taken on my compact were generally horrible ... low lighting, except 1 single photo of Mr Chan taken by Kenny!

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