Problems for L-learners?

[eVoutoN]

Originally posted by R3sistor@Apr 16 2004, 05:17 PM

anyway, guys, do the testers test in on both parrallel parking and reverse parking? or its just parrallel ?

what else is tested in circuit besides the standard courses like figure 8 ?

they test everyting...S-course, crank course, slope control, directional change, parallel and reverse parkin..e brake depends on the traffic...but normally onli done in the circuit...so once u out on road dont have to worry abt dat...but class 3 got figure 8 mehz???y u all keep tokin abt fig 8???

[NightPhantom]

figure 8 is for bike.. S course is e car la.. so actually almos same thing.. alot of turning can alreadi..

[chamenos]

can't really give much advice on the circuit....just do whatever you've been taught to do, and always remember to check blind spots before moving off and when changing lanes.

 

when on the road, just be as humji as possible. when turning right and there's oncoming traffic, don't try to be brave and shoot off cos if other cars horn or flash at you the tester can fail you. i passed on my third attempt, even though i had some points deducted for being "slow in moving off". because i basically waited for the red light to come on for the oncoming traffic before moving off

 

and for the direction change, be very very careful not to strike or mount the kerb. that's where i mounted the kerb in my first test and struck the kerb in the second test. all the best

[Guest ricochet8486]

i want to add something... usage of engine brake when u coming to a stop, around a bend is also very impt... alot of ppl failed becos alot of points were deducted there... and careful of amber light, 1 time 8 pts... lol...

 

gd luck anyway

[13randon]

Originally posted by shifeng_@Apr 20 2004, 02:29 PM

i want to add something... usage of engine brake when u coming to a stop, around a bend is also very impt... alot of ppl failed becos alot of points were deducted there... and careful of amber light, 1 time 8 pts... lol...

 

gd luck anyway

Be polite and drive confidently but dun act like an expert! if u r realli good! hee~

[chemz]

all i can say is just relax and be yourself..

 

the tester only look out for confidence.. safety is secondary.. trust me.

at the end of the day, nobody wants a driver that is hesistant on the roads, unable to make split sec decisions when the situation calls for it.

 

i wasn't the safest of drivers but my tester passed me nontheless because he could trust my capabilities.. kenna 18pts on my first attempt last year..

 

10pts because i travelled on oncoming lane and squeezed 3vehs on 2 singleway lanes.. one of the routes in the backyards of ubi.. where a lot of parked vehs on 1 side of the road, den bopian have to travel oncoming direction one.

[fleaz]

for me, my biggest problem iz tt i keep forgetting to change gear! car stop...nv change! car move...nv change! aiyoh....forgettful me!

[hilfiger]

I have a question abt the control of clutch wif yr left foot.

 

I just started taking class 3 lessons privately. As u know, the final theory book says u should not rest yr heel on the floor when controlling the clutch.

 

Do u guys follow the book? Or do u rest yr heel on the floor just like when controlling the accelerator pedal? I find that when i rest my left heel on the floor when the clutch is fully depressed, then when i want to move off, i have to slowly release my clutch pedal rite? But the clutch pedal seem like get stuck beneath my shoe, like cannot slide out. So i have to lift my heel off the floor n let go the clutch slowly - which is creating problems for me in moving off smoothly.

 

Cos i find wif heel resting on floor, control is better than wif heel not touching floor. Hope u guys understand my situation n give me advice can?

[myxilplix]

Originally posted by hilfiger@Mar 31 2006, 01:14 AM

I have a question abt the control of clutch wif yr left foot.

 

I just started taking class 3 lessons privately. As u know, the final theory book says u should not rest yr heel on the floor when controlling the clutch.

 

Do u guys follow the book? Or do u rest yr heel on the floor just like when controlling the accelerator pedal? I find that when i rest my left heel on the floor when the clutch is fully depressed, then when i want to move off, i have to slowly release my clutch pedal rite? But the clutch pedal seem like get stuck beneath my shoe, like cannot slide out. So i have to lift my heel off the floor n let go the clutch slowly - which is creating problems for me in moving off smoothly.

 

Cos i find wif heel resting on floor, control is better than wif heel not touching floor. Hope u guys understand my situation n give me advice can?

If you're fully clutched in and your heel is touching the floorboard it's fine. But DO NOT use your heel as a pivot point to control the clutch. Our ankles cannot flex all the way between fully clutched in to fully released, so halfway you'll have to lift your heel, shifting your whole leg and this will cause your moving off to be jerky.

 

The proper way to control your clutch is with your knee as the pivot, meaning your whole leg lifts up when releasing the clutch. This will be tiring to do when you first start, but with practice it will be easier and your control will improve.

 

Another tip is never release the clutch totally in 1st gear. Slip or "play" with it, but never take your foot off. Alot of instructors tell learners to do this, and their driving is soooo jerky. It's just like riding a bike, you don't let go of your clutch and use the throttle alone in 1st. Once you're in 2nd or higher of course please remove your foot from the clutch and rest it on the floorboard.

[hilfiger]

Hi myxilplix,

 

Wao...thanks for yr great advice. I fully agree wif u that our ankles cannot flex all the way between fully clutched in to fully released. That should be bec the clutch pedal can be depressed over a longer distance compared to accelerator pedal.

 

So now i have to change my habit n use my knee instead of my ankle movement to control the clutch. This seems a bit more strenuous issit? But no choice la better learn the proper way before it's too late to change.

[Avarice]

Originally posted by hilfiger@Mar 31 2006, 01:14 AM

I have a question abt the control of clutch wif yr left foot.

 

I just started taking class 3 lessons privately. As u know, the final theory book says u should not rest yr heel on the floor when controlling the clutch.

 

Do u guys follow the book? Or do u rest yr heel on the floor just like when controlling the accelerator pedal? I find that when i rest my left heel on the floor when the clutch is fully depressed, then when i want to move off, i have to slowly release my clutch pedal rite? But the clutch pedal seem like get stuck beneath my shoe, like cannot slide out. So i have to lift my heel off the floor n let go the clutch slowly - which is creating problems for me in moving off smoothly.

 

Cos i find wif heel resting on floor, control is better than wif heel not touching floor. Hope u guys understand my situation n give me advice can?

another tip is that when u stop at traffic lights u can shift to neutral gear, apply handbrake n step on footbrake. this way ur left foot can rest instead of stepping on the clutch while waiting coz its really damn tiring.

(but u must always keep stepping on the footbrake coz its a safety precaution just in case the car behind rams into u or smtg.. lolz (thats wad my instructor told me that time anyway)

[hilfiger]

Right now, i quite slow in moving off. Still haven't get used to getting biting point for car, sometimes accelerate too little, sometimes too much engine become v noisy. Sometimes clutch release not enuff, sometimes release too much car jerks. So if i shift to neutral at traffic light, i scared i move off even more slower...cos got more things to do...hehe...

[Avarice]

lolz.. you must watch the traffic lights lo.. very easy de.. like at cross junction the cars in the perpendicular direction to you preparing to stop then u engage first gear n wait to move off coz i oso used to step onto the clutch thru traffic lights.. then my leg like wan cramp le.. haha

 

dun worry about the bitting point, it comes with practice

[hilfiger]

Thanks for advice! :thumb:

[myxilplix]

Originally posted by hilfiger@Mar 31 2006, 12:24 PM

Hi myxilplix,

 

Wao...thanks for yr great advice. I fully agree wif u that our ankles cannot flex all the way between fully clutched in to fully released. That should be bec the clutch pedal can be depressed over a longer distance compared to accelerator pedal.

 

So now i have to change my habit n use my knee instead of my ankle movement to control the clutch. This seems a bit more strenuous issit? But no choice la better learn the proper way before it's too late to change.

Yes it's better to change your style now, it might be a strain to do it now but in the long run your clutch control will be better.

 

Don't worry if you press the accelerator too hard sometimes when moving off, as long as you control the clutch well the car won't get away from you and you can move off smoothly. Besides when you get to the biting point the load on the engine makes the revs drop anyway. A problem with alot of learners is that they're afraid to give the car some revs, a problem compounded by instructors being too kiasi. This leads to the learners being more prone to stalling.

 

ps. if you want to rest your left leg during lessons by going into neutral that's up to you/your instructor, but don't do it during your test.

[hilfiger]

Yes i'll take note of that. :thumb:

[Guest mas17]

hilfiger,

 

My advice for you is to try and get the most confortable position or posture while driving. The testers dont care about how you put your foot but rather how confident you control the car. Dont think too much about getting this and that right. It will just confuse and make you do a lot of wrong stuffs during test.

 

By the way, saw that VFR on your signature. Look great. Use to ride one before. U think of getting one is it?

[hilfiger]

Hi mas17, thks for advice on driving...sorrie didn't track this thread for some time now then read yr post.

 

I luv the exhaust on a vfr. But my fren told me that for daily riding in sg, vfr not v comfortable cos of riding posture. True from yr past experience?

[invisiblman]

i will definitely vote for SCHOOL for better service and they r much more responsible compare to those private.

 

 

trust me. money invest in school are MUCH MORE worthwhile.

[Guest mas17]

Originally posted by hilfiger@May 4 2006, 02:13 AM

Hi mas17, thks for advice on driving...sorrie didn't track this thread for some time now then read yr post.

 

I luv the exhaust on a vfr. But my fren told me that for daily riding in sg, vfr not v comfortable cos of riding posture. True from yr past experience?

Hi hilfiger,

 

Ur fren rode VFR before? On my experience, the posture of VFR is almost smiliar to Super4. Its a very versatile bike, good for both touring and days on track. Slap on the passenger seat cover and it looks like a true sport bike.I was the 3rd guy to ride the VFR back in 2002. Whenever i go, people will ask me what bike is it. Even taxi drivers!

 

Engine wise its very responsive. I was reluctant to let my bike go but it was becoming a "white elephant" for me so had to let go.

 

Sorry for off topic. Anyways good luck on your class 3 test. Remember to relax and dont think too much. Just let the driving technique flow and regards the tester as a passenger. My other advice is practice, practice, practice. I book a session once a week with my instructor and twice a week two weeks before the test. It works as i passed on first try. Cost me around $900 to get my class 3. Cheap consider if go to school.

[Razgriz]

Originally posted by invisibl:man@May 11 2006, 06:27 PM

i will definitely vote for SCHOOL for better service and they r much more responsible compare to those private.

 

 

trust me. money invest in school are MUCH MORE worthwhile.

i feel la... if u hv basic le... got play b4.. got drive b4.. .. or ride on road.. use pte betta ba... *if u are not rushing for test date*

 

if not.. sch betta choice...

 

cos if u like already knw hw dat thing work le.. how to drive etc... jus the test u cant pass.. yet u go enrol sch.. is beri xiong lor..

[hilfiger]

Hi all,

 

Need your advice on driving..

 

When moving off on a gentle slope, we need to release clutch get biting point 1st (so that car will not roll back), let go footbrake and then step accelerator. Why when i doing that, my car most of the times will stall? So sian...

 

If clutch release not enough, car still roll back. If clutch release too much, engine stall. Dilemma man!

[Kenix]

First your left hand should be on the hand brake.

Left leg will need to release clutch till it's biting point, usualli halfway/slightly lesser halfway of releasing full clutch, you'll feel the car is vibrating (but not vibrate till vigorously hor).

Then slowly lift up your right leg from brake pedal to step slowly on accelerator pedal (during the process, if you feel that your car is going to roll back, try to release the clutch a little bit more).

When your right leg on accelerator pedal hold on for a sec to make sure your car is not rolling back then pull down hand brake, step on more accelerate.

 

Should be something like that...

[hilfiger]

Ok, yr advice is v much appreciated.

 

I am thinking maybe i release the footbrake too suddenly that's y the engine stall? Possible? Also if steep slope, must release a bit more clutch to prevent roll back rite? If gentle slope, release clutch lesser can already rite as long as can feel a bit of vibration?

[Guest mas17]

My advice to you is to press more on the accelerator when moving off from slope. Its better off than stalling and rolling back wards and getting points for it. The trick is to press the accelerator until the grunting sound is quite obvious and then release the clutch to the biting point. Get a few points for excessive accelaration is better than immediate failure.