BMW Motorcycles

[NormalAspirated]

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Edited May 9, 2010 by NormalAspirated

[jason1202]

Hi guys...

Its been awhile...

 

Just update my situation.

I took the bike out from PML and had it go for a second opinion. And guess what, my chasis is uneffected and only my front frame side shifted. However, it was unable to be salvaged as the rubber bushing were damage. But I'm glad as the diagnostic were done professionally with full detail, and not just by visual.

One thing that I learned is that to test whether a chasis is damage or not, you have to strip the entire front end to have a proper analysis.

 

I would like to extend Team 27 & STOC for helping me with the solution.

 

So still have to have the chasis repair by PML? do you mind sharing with us which other shops can we go to instead of PML?

[Blackie21]

guys, anyone here rode a guzzi before? been looking at the 1200 sports.

 

Wanna know who can do the maintaince? mah?

bike wise is it safe for touring? breakdowns or problems? parts support?

 

thanks

 

i love my guzzi. but its a jackal and not a sports bike. mines the old generation and as such people like combine, mike chong, alan and PITA can fix her. not sure about the modern ones.

i buy all my parts from the UK/US, everything generally arrives in 2 weeks at most. i have not been let down in 3 years, only thing that has happened to cause it to breakdown on the day i picked her up was the fuel pump relay!

this is the bike i have owned for 3 years and am no likely to sell her.

[coolcat]

Hi guys...

my chasis is uneffected and only my front frame side shifted. However, it was unable to be salvaged as the rubber bushing were damage.

 

Dear Spyder8850,

 

For my education, which rubber bushings are your referring to? The front frame can be changed to new, if my memory serves.

 

Cheers

 

Cat

[jason1202]

Hi Guys!

 

Just sharing my another project with all of you! My 1st try ya!

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0225.jpg

 

Dremel set to start with.

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0226.jpg

 

Very useful for the project!

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0239.jpg

 

Does these parts look familiar to you>?

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0243.jpg

 

Trying out the cut.

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0244.jpg

 

Fit to a T!!

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0247.jpg

 

1 st layer of rasin.

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0250.jpg

 

Waiting time..

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0252.jpg

 

Sanding down the parts.

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0253.jpg

 

Final layer of coat!

 

http://http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0257.jpg

 

Finished products!! haha! Feel so good when it turn out nice..

[Spore]

Hi Guys!

 

Just sharing my another project with all of you! My 1st try ya!

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0225.jpg

 

Dremel set to start with.

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0226.jpg

 

Very useful for the project!

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0239.jpg

 

Does these parts look familiar to you>?

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0243.jpg

 

Trying out the cut.

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0244.jpg

 

Fit to a T!!

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0247.jpg

 

1 st layer of rasin.

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0250.jpg

 

Waiting time..

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0252.jpg

 

Sanding down the parts.

 

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0253.jpg

 

Final layer of coat!

 

http://http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/jason1202/Carbon%20Fiber%20Poject%20101/IMG_0257.jpg

 

Finished products!! haha! Feel so good when it turn out nice..

 

Looks like it a great job by you, Congrats

[Titus0922]

Hi guys...

Its been awhile...

 

Just update my situation.

I took the bike out from PML and had it go for a second opinion. And guess what, my chasis is uneffected and only my front frame side shifted. However, it was unable to be salvaged as the rubber bushing were damage. But I'm glad as the diagnostic were done professionally with full detail, and not just by visual.

One thing that I learned is that to test whether a chasis is damage or not, you have to strip the entire front end to have a proper analysis.

 

I would like to extend Team 27 & STOC for helping me with the solution.[/quote

 

 

 

Oh so u mean u didn't let PML to strip the bike for proper inspection in the first place. How could they quoted u 16k for repair.?

Bro I'm a little confuse here. What's the difference btw chassis and front frame? If it could not be salvage isn't the mounting cost almost the same as what u had been quoted earlier on? So how much u have to pay for this 2nd option? And shop please.

Another question. When I bought my bike, PML told me that they are the authorize workshop for Liberty. If I had bought other insurance, I might have to get it done with outside workshop. Cos I was looking at getting insure by NTUC due to the stupid $800 loading fees at that time. So did u get insured from Liberty or others and do u have ur bike claim under insurance?

[fir_chan]

Hi guys...

Its been awhile...

 

Just update my situation.

I took the bike out from PML and had it go for a second opinion. And guess what, my chasis is uneffected and only my front frame side shifted. However, it was unable to be salvaged as the rubber bushing were damage. But I'm glad as the diagnostic were done professionally with full detail, and not just by visual.

One thing that I learned is that to test whether a chasis is damage or not, you have to strip the entire front end to have a proper analysis.

 

I would like to extend Team 27 & STOC for helping me with the solution.

 

Whoa.... this indeed unusual with PML's assessment. Visually can tell the frame is damaged/misaligned?

 

I really hope to see you on this bike again! Sooner the better!

[spyder8850]

Soooo ... WTF is PML doing then ... calling themselves the BMW agent of SG ?

Only know how to succk more and more money from owners instead of giving proper professional support.

My words too offensive, I cannot stand bullshiit and gimmicks.

 

Well... Once bitten twice shy for me. As quoted by them, "They don't repair, they replace." Will be my last visit with them henceforth.

 

So still have to have the chasis repair by PML? do you mind sharing with us which other shops can we go to instead of PML?

 

I will PM you the shop that I was recommended. Definitely not AMK!

My chasis is not affected. So there is not need to go PML and order. Anyway, if chasis is damage, you can write in to LTA for approval of replacement. Onemotoring.com has info on this which PML claimed that they knew nothing about this. Surprised?!... you should see the look on my face.

 

Dear Spyder8850,

 

For my education, which rubber bushings are your referring to? The front frame can be changed to new, if my memory serves.

 

Well, the entire front end is made up of multi-connected frames with many rubber parts. Which makes a lot of sense as the bike is such a hardy and will be able to withstand rugged terrains. The rubber bushings takes on the vibration of the movements to maintain comfort.

Your memory serves you well indeed. I will only need to replace the entire front frame, crash bar and lots of rubber bushings(not sure if its the right term).

 

 

Oh so u mean u didn't let PML to strip the bike for proper inspection in the first place. How could they quoted u 16k for repair.?

Bro I'm a little confuse here. What's the difference btw chassis and front frame? If it could not be salvage isn't the mounting cost almost the same as what u had been quoted earlier on? So how much u have to pay for this 2nd option? And shop please.

Another question. When I bought my bike, PML told me that they are the authorize workshop for Liberty. If I had bought other insurance, I might have to get it done with outside workshop. Cos I was looking at getting insure by NTUC due to the stupid $800 loading fees at that time. So did u get insured from Liberty or others and do u have ur bike claim under insurance?

 

Its not that I don't let them strip. I really thought they did. But they only took out my side panniers instead. On the quotation slip it states, "THE ESTIMATE IS BY VISUAL INSPECTION ONLY"

 

Chasis is only the 2 "V" shape piece holding onto the steering-cone. It is protected by an extensive amount of frames and comparments...eg. Fuel tanks, fuel pump...etc. I need to have a BAD BAD crash in order to damage my chasis... Like a head-on collision.

Edited April 26, 2010 by spyder8850

[I_Ride_A_Bike]

Well... Once bitten twice shy for me. As quoted by them, "They don't repair, they replace." Will be my last visit with them henceforth.

 

 

 

I will PM you the shop that I was recommended. Definitely not AMK!

My chasis is not affected. So there is not need to go PML and order. Anyway, if chasis is damage, you can write in to LTA for approval of replacement. Onemotoring.com has info on this which PML claimed that they knew nothing about this. Surprised?!... you should see the look on my face.

 

 

 

Well, the entire front end is made up of multi-connected frames with many rubber parts. Which makes a lot of sense as the bike is such a hardy and will be able to withstand rugged terrains. The rubber bushings takes on the vibration of the movements to maintain comfort.

Your memory serves you well indeed. I will only need to replace the entire front frame, crash bar and lots of rubber bushings(not sure if its the right term).

 

 

 

 

Its not that I don't let them strip. I really not they did. But they only took out my side panniers. On the quotation slip it states, "THE ESTIMATE IS BY VISUAL INSPECTION ONLY"

 

Chasis is only the 2 "V" shape piece holding onto the steering-cone. It is protected by an extensive amount of frames and comparments...eg. Fuel tanks, fuel pump...etc. I must need to have a BAD BAD crash to damage my chasis...

 

happy to know that you have a solution to your bike's repair as of now.

 

able to share the other motor shop that you have gone to for the 2nd opinion? i do not wish to be 'controlled'/'held to the neck' by PML...

 

thanks and see you around sgp!

[kmax]

meaning the bike can't go long dist (6000km++) without maintaince(oil change, filter change)

 

or

 

having problems here and there... eg over heating etc etc...

 

Africa Twin ?

 

 

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[Titus0922]

Its not that I don't let them strip. I really thought they did. But they only took out my side panniers instead. On the quotation slip it states, "THE ESTIMATE IS BY VISUAL INSPECTION ONLY"

 

Chasis is only the 2 "V" shape piece holding onto the steering-cone. It is protected by an extensive amount of frames and comparments...eg. Fuel tanks, fuel pump...etc. I need to have a BAD BAD crash in order to damage my chasis... Like a head-on collision.

 

 

Wah by looking they can tell there is something wrong with the chassis. Not bad after all by the PRO yeah.

 

Ok I know where u mean for the front section of the chassis and I'm very interested in the cost after all for the said 16k repair. How do u go by the insurance issue or you paid cash for the repair? Sorry for asking this many silly questions for ur situation now but as I'm riding the same machine too, and what if *touch wood*... I really don't know much with my short 3yrs of riding and owning of motorcycles.

[kittosoft]

Africa Twin ?

 

 

http://s3.amazonaws.com/advrider/peepwall.gif

 

would love to but... most of them are too old

[coolcat]

Well, the entire front end is made up of multi-connected frames with many rubber parts. Which makes a lot of sense as the bike is such a hardy and will be able to withstand rugged terrains. The rubber bushings takes on the vibration of the movements to maintain comfort.

Your memory serves you well indeed. I will only need to replace the entire front frame, crash bar and lots of rubber bushings(not sure if its the right term).

 

Chasis is only the 2 "V" shape piece holding onto the steering-cone. It is protected by an extensive amount of frames and comparments...eg. Fuel tanks, fuel pump...etc. I need to have a BAD BAD crash in order to damage my chasis... Like a head-on collision.

 

The post-airhead boxers do not have a conventional chassis like most bikes; essentially the (rear) sub-frame and the front "frame" are mounted onto the engine itself i.e. the engine itself is the load bearing component. Hence if there is a reference to "chassis" damage, it is technically correct if the "chassis" refers to the frame and in that sense PML may be right. Not taking sides here but just giving my own thoughts to it.

 

My guess is that given your description you will need to replace fairing brackets and the associated parts that are damaged. Hope that the "A" frame and the telelever are not damaged in any way, those are the bigger ticket items and damage on those will be indicative of more serious damage of the fairing bracket, fairing sections, forks etc.

 

Looks like your steed will be back on the road again

 

Cheers

 

Cat

[GuiNNeSS]

Strange ... It shouldn't happen.

I felt more heat on Jap made, KTM and Ducati ...

BMW boxer engine is very minimium.

Perhaps is your long time never wear SAF boots is deteriorating so is sensitive to heat.

I sorry ... I am just guessing ...

 

 

Shouldn't be so hot till those things would happen. Its air-cooled mind you.

 

I understand it shouldn't be that hot to cause damage to footwear. Got to check it out when i have time.

[deeGan]

Hai guys ..i broke my R1150GS RHS pannier the clips to the rack..Anyone here have a R1150GS RHS bucket panniers spare..PML Charge me 245++ for just the bucket side of the panniers..Damn the clip broke..stupid accident some more.. sleeping when riding n hit the curb n there goes my R1150GS fell to the right n hit my panniers..Or u guys got any lobang or some panniers lying around hehe..

[currypuff]

Does anybody know where I can buy feeler gauges? Those hardware shops that I went to only have the linked types (1st pic).

But I think I will need separate gauges to adjust the valves (2nd pic).

 

Enjoy, since you have done yours, can you give any advice?

[GuiNNeSS]

currypuff: I went to more than 10 hardware shops around LAB area. Couldn't find any of them selling the gauge separately. I bought 2 sets in the end. Do make sure that u have the correct measurements (inches/metric).

[jason1202]

Maybe can try to order online? RS online store?

[currypuff]

Thanks for the replies.

According to the instructions, you need to insert all 4 gauges (2x0.15mm, 2x0.3mm) into the valves together. How can you do this with a bunch of gauges of different sizes stuck together?

 

Jason, I checked the RS website. They do have individual size gauges. However, from the illust., they look very long and unwieldy. Any other choices?

[jason1202]

You can also try Farnell...

 

Anyone going for a ride this weekend??

Edited April 28, 2010 by jason1202

[kmax]

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/April/apr2310-bmw-gears-up-for-liquid-cooled-gs/

 

BMW gears up for liquid-cooled GS

 

By Chris Newbigging -

 

New bikes

 

23 April 2010 10:57

 

BMW is in the early stages of making an all-new, super-efficient, Euro4 compliant water-cooled replacement for its iconic Boxer engine.

 

The new engine is being developed because of tough Euro4 emissions which come in to force from 2012, and the current air-cooled engine doesn’t meet the new standards.

 

Air-cooling is a problem for engineers seeking lower emissions and reduced fuel consumption because efficiency is lost not just at higher engine temperatures, but also from cold.

 

By contrast, a liquid-cooled engine doesn’t get as hot when used hard, but also warms up faster because of the water-jacket’s insulation.

 

If you can control an engine’s running temperature and keep it within its ideal operating range, it can burn the fuel/air mix more cleanly and efficiently.

 

Insiders at the Munich development centre let slip to a specialist German BMW magazine that a top-secret project is underway to replace the air-cooled engine that can trace its ancestry back to the first boxer BMW bikes nearly 90 years ago with a new liquid-cooled replacement.

 

The full story and history of the air-cooled GS is in this week’s issue of MCN – out now.

[Blackie21]

liquid cooled engines....argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jason1202]

Hi everyone,

 

Just to check, if the battery symbol always lights up but goes always after awhile after cranking, is this normal?

[coolcat]

Hi everyone,

 

Just to check, if the battery symbol always lights up but goes always after awhile after cranking, is this normal?

Normal for my R1150 series. Older bikes the batt light may come on even at idling, cos the alternator is not feeding back enough to put it out when idling is low.

 

Cheers

 

Cat