Honda Blackbird CBR1100 XX

penyu · May 26, 2008

yo bro ....... wah timing?i dnt tink so lah our bikes are not meant for the track so the cornering will be a challenge.....if u want for fun then oklah otherwise the 125cc will definately cut us like nobody business....hahahaa

Cougar_22 said:
Yo...bro penyu

hmm...actually i'm eager just as you too:D

No kaki...also waiting for anyone to organise also...yeah:angel:

And i dunno ...any birdie's owner ever been to PG?....cos of the track's layout ..it's seem difficult for more than 1L bike to establish good cornering and timing...as it's tight...wor...!!'Well i dunno...as this is what i think, i maybe wrong too...so need alot of advises from here and from expert too....yeah kudos:angel:

Anybody care to share ...experiences,tips.....pointers..?

penyu · May 26, 2008

i have update the list....haha will make plans for a meet up tis friday....hope those who are free can join.......

cheers

kanshisha_tenshi said:
Hi guys i've change my nick endi to kanshisha_tenshi...Thanks for welcoming me in this thread...very new to BB so....hope u guys dont mind...

1 Black(94591781) BLACK
2 BlaCkjenGGo(93891784)BlaCk
3 BlackBandit Woodlands Red
4 Cougar (91822038) Bukit Batok - Blackie
5 Greysnail(90260921)SilverBird.......
6 Hokage(91079439) Blaque
7 Kwan (96660012) Red Hill
8 Mahmud aka Penyu Bedok(Black)
9 Sujak (94521364) Tampines - Black
10 riggs69 (96684695) Silver
11 Tangolima(91818123)
12 tohtwbedok-Blue
13 Wallaby Punggol (Silver)
14 whitesugar46 Tampines Black + Gold
15 white knight(97666423) BLACK
16 Hondacbr2001 (97671542) silver01 to black06
17 nanonova Pasir Ris (silver)
18 jokeroski Toa Payoh (Black)
19 kanshisha_tenshi Hougang (Black)

20 Oozing Machizmo aka Navin 93381378 - Black 99

penyu · May 26, 2008

What : Weekly meet up for Birdies maybe a fill up session at 2nd link for those who want to let their birds drink

When : 30th May 08 Time : 2300hrs

Where : Jalan Kayu Coffee Shop

For this week basically have no idea what to do so just suggest for a ride around Singapore or a coffee session,go to yishun dam n show off our big birds or go to 2nd link for a fill up session...attendance is greatly appreciated......open to any bikes if friends wanna tag along......

Penyu aka mahmud
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mb2636 · May 26, 2008

penyu said:
the ecm all i am not to sure but for the cam tensioner i change it for 50 dollars at HKL n for a top overhaul i would recommend AH LAI its gonna cost around 400 dolars but he change a lot of tings.......the shop is at ubi industrial park along Dexing motors

honestly...the mechanic tat do up my repair is afterall Ah Lai...and like u mention he do change alot of things so i dont know if the price is right...

but for sure once the bike out of shop u dont have to return back cos his repair is really good...just to share for those who wish to do major repair i would recommend him though the price may be steep than the rest...

penyu · May 26, 2008

well bro as to what i know ah lai he would only change whats important n make sure its worth the money.......if he was the one who does ur bike then i guess its in good hands........i dnt tink he would cheat u or wat ah but from wat i knoe he's humble and very good at BBs......

kanshisha_tenshi said:
honestly...the mechanic tat do up my repair is afterall Ah Lai...and like u mention he do change alot of things so i dont know if the price is right...
but for sure once the bike out of shop u dont have to return back cos his repair is really good...just to share for those who wish to do major repair i would recommend him though the price may be steep than the rest...

LamerFornica · May 26, 2008

Hi all,

Have a batch of OGK FF3 Solid,Graphic & FF4 Solid Graphic Full Face for sales.All PSB approve and brand new.

Prices as follows,

FF3 Solid = $250

FF3 Graphic = $300

FF4 Solid = $300

FF4 Graphic = $350

Interested party can PM me or MC28 for more information.We hope to have the at least 10 or more confirm orders before we meet all for the collection. Cash payment only upon collection of helmets.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i42/akrapovick4/FF3.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i42/akrapovick4/ff4.jpg

Regards,

LamerFornica

whitesugar46 · May 27, 2008

Hi Birdies, my fren intends to sell the above. NOT STREET LEGAL. He's looking @$750. Any1 interested or hav any enquiries, can call or sms him @ 97227313. DO NOT PM ME.

mb2636 · May 27, 2008

penyu said:
well bro as to what i know ah lai he would only change whats important n make sure its worth the money.......if he was the one who does ur bike then i guess its in good hands........i dnt tink he would cheat u or wat ah but from wat i knoe he's humble and very good at BBs......

Ya i know tat bro..he's a nice guy and i know he wont cheat...jus wanna check out the price if its right...anyway..he is good so i would recommend him if any of u wish to do major repair...

MiddleAgedBiker · May 27, 2008

sexyh said:
Finally got my bike out and running. Just a few more tweaks here and there to complete this year's wish list. Also managed to sell off my 2003 VFR to a fellow rider. Now with 1 bike i can concentrate more on this one.

Here's a picture for your comments. The crazy me also might be thinking of changing the new fork again for a radial version of the 2008 Busa. That means definitely new forks, brake calipers and two new front discs. Not sure about the triple clamps/ wheels whether they are compatible or not.

Wow, the box is beautiful. What brand/model are they and how much did you spend on them, including the rack?

penyu · May 27, 2008

i dnt tink there is any full system for BB with two bros

whitesugar46 said:
Hi Birdies, my fren intends to sell the above. NOT STREET LEGAL. He's looking @$750. Any1 interested or hav any enquiries, can call or sms him @ 97227313. DO NOT PM ME.

penyu · May 27, 2008

so are u joining this friday?

kanshisha_tenshi said:
Ya i know tat bro..he's a nice guy and i know he wont cheat...jus wanna check out the price if its right...anyway..he is good so i would recommend him if any of u wish to do major repair...

whitesugar46 · May 27, 2008

penyu said:
i dnt tink there is any full system for BB with two bros

Y not u kol him and confirm? mayb I'm a newbie in BB bikes...... Fyi bro, 3 of my frens riding BB using two bros full system. 2 of them are wiz double barrel and this 1 is using a s ingle barrel.....of course they are not street legal....

penyu · May 27, 2008

call ur friend already he said it was a full system....didn't know BB has a full system from two bros....was amaze.......aniway it was for a 99 model so alla does 99 model wanna have more power pls purchase the full system....its worth it the price...

mb2636 · May 27, 2008

penyu said:
so are u joining this friday?

Sorry i cant cos i'm on duty..

penyu said:
call ur friend already he said it was a full system....didn't know BB has a full system from two bros....was amaze.......aniway it was for a 99 model so alla does 99 model wanna have more power pls purchase the full system....its worth it the price...

So it is not street legal right...anyway, wish to install but wat u guys recommend...wat i saw usually yoshi 4 to 1 system but i love 2 pipe on BB...any recommendation what and where to buy...of course it must be street legal

penyu · May 27, 2008

yup its not street legal there are yoshi street legal if u want and can order from motoworld but if i am not mistaken yoshi has stop production for BB as for the two bros there are dual slip on for BB as for me i am using a single slip on from two bros the power diff is alot and the sound its superb but its really noisy...hahaha

kanshisha_tenshi said:
Sorry i cant cos i'm on duty..

So it is not street legal right...anyway, wish to install but wat u guys recommend...wat i saw usually yoshi 4 to 1 system but i love 2 pipe on BB...any recommendation what and where to buy...of course it must be street legal

sexyh · May 27, 2008

MiddleAgedBiker said:
Wow, the box is beautiful. What brand/model are they and how much did you spend on them, including the rack?

The boxes are original Honda OEM panniers and are from Europe. Motorworld did brought them in before but i do not know whether they still have them. Bought them half a year ago from them and paid S$1600 nett.

Beautiful boxes and can hold one full face on each side. Only one note, a bit expensive, ouch again.....

MiddleAgedBiker · May 27, 2008

sexyh said:
The boxes are original Honda OEM panniers and are from Europe. Motorworld did brought them in before but i do not know whether they still have them. Bought them half a year ago from them and paid S$1600 nett.

Beautiful boxes and can hold one full face on each side. Only one note, a bit expensive, ouch again.....

$1600!!! woweee....but they sure look nice! thanks for the info!

greysnail · May 28, 2008

kanshisha_tenshi said:
Oh sure i will do tat...Jus for info i jus got the bike from ASP last yr dec...Did alot of repair on it lik knock sensor blink so mechanic say need to change ECM which cost me 800 bucks...before i leave for taiwan jus change my chain tensioner and wire harness which cost me 850 bucks....What u guys think...is it expensive...i would not mention the bike shop name cos i dont know if its legal to post here...so pls give me comment thanks...

Well Tenshi,my bike also has i 25blinks -knock sensor....the best thing to do is act donno.Alai did state that i need to change my ecm.Y dun u try doing valve clearance and using fuel system cleaner to clean those injectors and block before spending loads of $$$$.Juz my 2 cents.

I'm still living with the 25 christmas lite:angel:

MiddleAgedBiker · May 28, 2008

greysnail said:
Well Tenshi,my bike also has i 25blinks -knock sensor....the best thing to do is act donno.Alai did state that i need to change my ecm.Y dun u try doing valve clearance and using fuel system cleaner to clean those injectors and block before spending loads of $$$$.Juz my 2 cents.

I'm still living with the 25 christmas lite:angel:

Friends, I really doubt you need to change ECM and change wiring harness because of the 25 blinks. If the knock sensor is blinking, that means your engine is facing detonation, or perhaps there's a short in the knock sensor and it needs replacement. If you think about this, if there really was a short in the wiring harness, why would everyone get the same signal, for knock sensor? It would short circuit randomly and cause all kinds of different problems. Besides, the ECM is very accurate in determining where the short circuits are coming from, and will tell you accordingly (to a certain extent).

I've experienced that pumping petrol in Malaysia will cause this (blinking), perhaps the petrol they're selling is not the real octane level that's indicated on the pump, so when you ride your bike hard, the petrol will pre-ignite causing detonation (blackbird is a high compression engine after all). Are you pumping petrol in Malaysia?

I went on a trip once, and pumped petrol at a pump near Kulai, when I was back home in S'pore riding on AYE, my FI light came on. When I came back I diagnosed it myself, and same like yours, knock sensor. I intended to send the bike for servicing on Monday (it was Saturday then), but then on the next 2 days when I ride it, the light didn't come on again. After I pump new tank of petrol in S'pore and up till now, I've never seen the light again, thankfully.

I know a little bit about ECMs as I worked on them in my previous job. ECMs are normally manufactured to last 10 years, and if the FI light is blinking, you can be sure the ECM is not malfunctioning, as the software has to be running correctly in order to do that. In fact, if your ECM was spoilt in any way, you won't even be able to start or ride your bike.

The fuel injector opening times, spark firing times, etc. are all controlled by the ECM. After long usage, the memory chip (EEPROM) may be the first to go, as they only have a fixed number of times they can be erased and re-written. This part stores the settings of your bike, it learns as your bike gets older and the engine ages (like it may retard ignition advance, and fuel delivery times as your engine is not as tight as when new). But it's good for 100,000 erase cycles, so it'll last a long, long time! 10 - 15 years or more for the kind of riding we do, is my guess. The engine may then feel a bit rougher, but no way will you get strange blinks even then, it doesn't work that way.

There may be other reasons for the knock sensor blink. Some I can think of are high carbon buildup, so much so that the carbon on the piston crown or even near the valve inlet/outlets are glowing from the heat of the engine and pre-ignites the fuel mixture causing detonation. Advance timing is electronically controlled by the ECM and not adjustable, so it should be ok (unless you've messed with it using piggyback systems like PC3). And of course fuel quality.

I've personally also heard this story before from my mechanic. "Blackbird has a very common problem, FI light blink 25 times, if yours blink, must change ECM and wiring harness!" I know this is not politically correct, but I really suspect they're doing this for extra revenue, and they should know better, being in this line.

No other motive here, just trying to save you some unnecessary big bucks (which won't help at all even if you spend it), so it's up to you who to believe. You can also try some of the UK or US blackbird sites and ask around, I doubt they have this problem (because their govt. probably regulates the petrol quality).

greysnail · May 28, 2008

Hi MAB,

Very informative on the write-up.2 thumbs up for that.

And yes i believe in not spending big bucks until its confirmed in the fault.As my previous post,i did mention of having this KS and wen i pump full tank of S'pore petrol,the KS dissappear.Coming back from Ayer Keroh after filling up M'sia petrol,my KS came out.Currently still using m'sia petrol due to budget constraint.But the thing is,wen i constant at 80-90 in high geras,the bike seems sluggish.Really have to rev hard.And yes i believe the blocks and valve stems are probably full of carbons.

To list of what i'm gonna do to clean off the carbon sure gonna make me put on hold the bike from the road.

MiddleAgedBiker · May 28, 2008

greysnail said:
Hi MAB,
Very informative on the write-up.2 thumbs up for that.
And yes i believe in not spending big bucks until its confirmed in the fault.As my previous post,i did mention of having this KS and wen i pump full tank of S'pore petrol,the KS dissappear.Coming back from Ayer Keroh after filling up M'sia petrol,my KS came out.Currently still using m'sia petrol due to budget constraint.But the thing is,wen i constant at 80-90 in high geras,the bike seems sluggish.Really have to rev hard.And yes i believe the blocks and valve stems are probably full of carbons.
To list of what i'm gonna do to clean off the carbon sure gonna make me put on hold the bike from the road.

greysnail, I'm quite convinced (my personal belief only) that some M'sian pumps, especially those near the Causeway, are selling mislabelled petrol. What's supposed to be 98 Octane could be 92 Octane or worse. I hope they don't mix it with methanol or other stuff. Somebody's surely makaning money into their pockets at our expense. My thinking is, an engine rebuild is going to cost more than the savings in petrol, so to me it's not really worth it if it causes your FI light to blink. If it doesn't then good.

My own experiences, and those of others I've talked to, seem to confirm this. The knock sensors don't lie. If it were carbon buildup, my bike would detonate regardless of M'sian or S'pore petrol, but mine only does it on M'sian petrol, so I doubt my bike's cause is excessive carbon buildup. Which leaves the only variable to be the petrol.

Why not just drain out the petrol in your tank (or even better to save money, buy and use an octane booster just for this once and run the tank dry), then try pumping 98 Octane in S'pore and see if it cures your problems? You can get octane boosters from most hardware stores, get the better ones to be safe. If your FI light goes off after that, you have now found the cause of your problem.

Will cost you very little compared to a top end overhaul, which may not be needed afterall. If the FI light still blinks on 98 petrol then it's time to look at a top end overhaul perhaps. But try the cheap stuff first, no point donating money to the shops unnecessarily.

greysnail · May 28, 2008

MiddleAgedBiker said:
greysnail, I'm quite convinced (my personal belief only) that some M'sian pumps, especially those near the Causeway, are selling mislabelled petrol. What's supposed to be 98 Octane could be 92 Octane or worse. I hope they don't mix it with methanol or other stuff. Somebody's surely makaning money into their pockets at our expense. My thinking is, an engine rebuild is going to cost more than the savings in petrol, so to me it's not really worth it if it causes your FI light to blink. If it doesn't then good.

My own experiences, and those of others I've talked to, seem to confirm this. The knock sensors don't lie. If it were carbon buildup, my bike would detonate regardless of M'sian or S'pore petrol, but mine only does it on M'sian petrol, so I doubt my bike's cause is excessive carbon buildup. Which leaves the only variable to be the petrol.

Why not just drain out the petrol in your tank (or even better to save money, buy and use an octane booster just for this once and run the tank dry), then try pumping 98 Octane in S'pore and see if it cures your problems? You can get octane boosters from most hardware stores, get the better ones to be safe. If your FI light goes off after that, you have now found the cause of your problem.

Will cost you very little compared to a top end overhaul, which may not be needed afterall. If the FI light still blinks on 98 petrol then it's time to look at a top end overhaul perhaps. But try the cheap stuff first, no point donating money to the shops unnecessarily.

Agreed to that idea.

And 1 more thing.Yesterday went to find radiator hose for BB.Most shop said no more stock.So L.L use a car radiator hose with same diameter(1.0").Heng ah ...lucky have if not will be taking MRT...

Those who think they need to change the hoses.order quick.Waiting period is 2-3 mth.Called Eversuccess also no more stock.If any of u guys have lobang for radiator hose,that will be a life saver:thumb:

penyu · May 28, 2008

a very well inform topic here....thumbs up for ur info.....

MiddleAgedBiker said:
Friends, I really doubt you need to change ECM and change wiring harness because of the 25 blinks. If the knock sensor is blinking, that means your engine is facing detonation, or perhaps there's a short in the knock sensor and it needs replacement. If you think about this, if there really was a short in the wiring harness, why would everyone get the same signal, for knock sensor? It would short circuit randomly and cause all kinds of different problems. Besides, the ECM is very accurate in determining where the short circuits are coming from, and will tell you accordingly (to a certain extent).

I've experienced that pumping petrol in Malaysia will cause this (blinking), perhaps the petrol they're selling is not the real octane level that's indicated on the pump, so when you ride your bike hard, the petrol will pre-ignite causing detonation (blackbird is a high compression engine after all). Are you pumping petrol in Malaysia?

I went on a trip once, and pumped petrol at a pump near Kulai, when I was back home in S'pore riding on AYE, my FI light came on. When I came back I diagnosed it myself, and same like yours, knock sensor. I intended to send the bike for servicing on Monday (it was Saturday then), but then on the next 2 days when I ride it, the light didn't come on again. After I pump new tank of petrol in S'pore and up till now, I've never seen the light again, thankfully.

I know a little bit about ECMs as I worked on them in my previous job. ECMs are normally manufactured to last 10 years, and if the FI light is blinking, you can be sure the ECM is not malfunctioning, as the software has to be running correctly in order to do that. In fact, if your ECM was spoilt in any way, you won't even be able to start or ride your bike.

The fuel injector opening times, spark firing times, etc. are all controlled by the ECM. After long usage, the memory chip (EEPROM) may be the first to go, as they only have a fixed number of times they can be erased and re-written. This part stores the settings of your bike, it learns as your bike gets older and the engine ages (like it may retard ignition advance, and fuel delivery times as your engine is not as tight as when new). But it's good for 100,000 erase cycles, so it'll last a long, long time! 10 - 15 years or more for the kind of riding we do, is my guess. The engine may then feel a bit rougher, but no way will you get strange blinks even then, it doesn't work that way.

There may be other reasons for the knock sensor blink. Some I can think of are high carbon buildup, so much so that the carbon on the piston crown or even near the valve inlet/outlets are glowing from the heat of the engine and pre-ignites the fuel mixture causing detonation. Advance timing is electronically controlled by the ECM and not adjustable, so it should be ok (unless you've messed with it using piggyback systems like PC3). And of course fuel quality.

I've personally also heard this story before from my mechanic. "Blackbird has a very common problem, FI light blink 25 times, if yours blink, must change ECM and wiring harness!" I know this is not politically correct, but I really suspect they're doing this for extra revenue, and they should know better, being in this line.

No other motive here, just trying to save you some unnecessary big bucks (which won't help at all even if you spend it), so it's up to you who to believe. You can also try some of the UK or US blackbird sites and ask around, I doubt they have this problem (because their govt. probably regulates the petrol quality).

penyu · May 28, 2008

how sexyh,changing ur forks again....if u do pls tell me coz i wanna buy all ur stuff

sexyh said:
The boxes are original Honda OEM panniers and are from Europe. Motorworld did brought them in before but i do not know whether they still have them. Bought them half a year ago from them and paid S$1600 nett.

Beautiful boxes and can hold one full face on each side. Only one note, a bit expensive, ouch again.....

sexyh · May 28, 2008

penyu said:
how sexyh,changing ur forks again....if u do pls tell me coz i wanna buy all ur stuff

Not so soon bro, want to enjoy the ride in the meantime . But actually i am trying to at my little freetime to read up on the compatibility of the 2008 Busa fork and the B-King front fork and see which one is better.

I personally like the finish of the B-King front fork but i may have a problem if i use the top triple clamp of the B-King becos there is no ignition key mount on the top clamp. The B-King uses regular handle bar mount like those on the Super 4 and can give a rather upright posture while the 08 Busa have a more incline posture.

Anyway still thinking hard before whether i should go into this again and if yes, alot got to do with which one i prefer.

1st time was tough, 2nd time should be smooth going once i cross over the technical part.

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