Guys i am having trouble with practical 4(assessment):/

[yoshino305]

I got 18 points and 1 immediate failure.

Here are the details:

Place of assessment:SSDC, lower levels.

Weather:Not raining.

Crowd: Alot of cars.

Mistakes: Emergency stop , incorrect posture 4 demerit points;incorrect technique 2 points

What i was doing:Went 35-40 km/h , throttle down immediately after entering and pressed hard on both brakes. Stopped and then gear down while clutching in, on engine, tried to gear down again as the bike meter showed nothing. Managed to do it successfully , turned on right signal and moved off, gear-ed to 2 halfway, checked back right and go.

Mistakes(2):Moving off/Stopping , incorrect posture 2 demerit points.

Mistakes(3): Forward driving, fail to change to appropriate gear before turning/stopping 4 demerit points.

Mistakes(4): Junction, improper turning 2 demerit points; fail to stop at stop line (IMMEDIATE FAILURE)

Mistakes(5): Safety Check, Improper checking of blind spot 2 demerit points.

Mistakes(6): H Signalling, Fail to cancel signal 4 demerit points.

 

What i don't get is incorrect posture fail, to change to appropriate gear before turning/stopping.

And what i don't understand is how to check blind spots and fully checking. Please help me!

[HaiR1]

Understand wat the theory book says

 

 

If not, try to spend sometime after your prac(if any), Observe how people normal do..

 

Learn from their/your mistake if possible

 

 

 

Learning process will take some time

[guiderer]

by right you shouldn't let your engine die? but i have heard instructor/s saying is ok to die, wrong technique only.

 

"turned on right signal and moved off, gear-ed to 2 halfway, checked back right and go." You should on right signal, check back right before move off

 

 

checking of blindspot, i assumed u know when you should check blindspot, so from your information what i can assume is maybe u need to check left only, but u checked left and right also, thus improper?

 

if i am not wrong, there's a map somewhere or have been given to you that shows exactly where to check what, follow that and you should save quite a number of points.

 

if you don't get your Immediate failure, 18pts is also pass, correct?

 

PS: ebrake for 2b not 30-35km/h?

[yoshino305]

Hey thanks for replying!

For me, what i think blind spot is: When u want to go into a lane, example turning left, your blind spot is on the right . If you wanna go right, ur blindspot is left. The instructors also never made it clear what is a blind spot and what is checking back, just told us to check back when ur stationery.

Another thing is, when we are at the starting point they told us to check right then move off check blind spot left, but left has no junction or anything. Only the walls. confused..

[yoshino305]

I think i didn't explain it properly, let me try from starting:

1st: Starting point, Signal left;check right;move off;check left while on move; go to the one with the slope(Starting point had walls on the left ; straight ahead was the lane; right also lane)

2nd: Go up the slope; check back right; move to the next stop line; check left for vehicles and check back right(Cause moving off to the right)

3rd: 8-figure course; exiting i checked blind spot right while moving and head left(At this part i am not so clear, on the right vehicles are incoming)

4th: Moved to the L-shaped course, at the end had to turn right so i checked blind spot left while on the move then went ahead)

5th:go straight ahead , turned right and waited for the traffic to turn green.

6th: Crossed the traffic, headed for the e-brake.

7th: E-brake went 35-40km/h( i think i exceeded the limit ;supposed to be 30-35km/h) At the end, stopped , gear down , on signal, move off, halfway thru gear 2, check back right without stopping and headed for the plank/slalom.

8th:end.

 

Conclusion: I don't get what checking back and blind spot is, so getting the demerit points is due to my limited understanding of checking hahaha.

[iDavid]

*base on what i can recall*

 

i was told there is 2 type of checking " check back " & " blindspot check". check back when u are in stationary proceeding to moving off and blind spot check while turning left or ride or before lane changing.

 

1st at starting point: signal left, check right for incoming vehicle, (clear) check back, move off , while turning left check Left (blindspot), while approaching right bend , check right (BS).

 

2nd: base on what i learn if there is no bike infront of u thn u can straight proceed to the 2nd stop line if suay gt bike infront thn stop at 1st stop line and check back*(coz stationary again) is inwards. if u form up on the right side while on the slope thn u check left coz bike will be on ur left side and if form up at left side then u check back right side. *things to note: when stopping on slope; clutch in 1st then brake. after coming down from slope, brake 1st then clutch in and STOP at stop line thn when turning right (BS right) and proceed to FIG.8

 

3rd FIG. 8: signal Left while waiting. instructor give signal for u to enter; check back right, move off, engage gear 2 b4 entering fig8, after entering fig8 release clutch lever and cancel signal. 3/4 thru the fig 8 course; signal left ; check for incoming vehicle coming from right side; if clear thn turn left (BS left). if suay gt incoming vehicle thn stop let the vehicle pass thn u proceed. u might wan to check with instructor if stop due to incoming vehicle ur checking back is LEFT or RIGHT coz i forgot alr.

 

4th crank course: signal left while waiting. instructor give signal for u to enter; check back RIGHT ; move off; throttle abit more thn engage gear 2; check left and right for incoming vehicle; if both side clear thn continue, turn right (BS RIGHT).

 

5th & 6th: i nt sure if the test route had change or nt but during my time after turning right from crank course is stop line and turn LEFT thn gt traffic light after traffic light change lane right and then stop at stop line again. turn right (BS RIGHT) to E-Brake.

 

7th E- Brake : wait for light thn proceed > bring speed up to 30-35km/h (3rd gear) > once front wheel reach cone or 1st line , close throttle > both front and rear brake > clutch in when bike abt to stop or u can feel ur bike engine dying off , left leg down > signal right > right leg down > left leg drop gear to gear 1 > left leg down > right leg up and step on rear brake lever> check back RIGHT > move off and off signal and thn engage gear 2 * do nt drag ur gear 1 all the way till the stop line* >STOP AT STOP LINE ( i believe tis is where u got ur immediate failure ) > signal RIGHT > check back RIGHT for approaching vehicle > if clear thn move off , cancel signal and proceed to narrow plank.

 

anyway it had been abt 3 years back when i took my 2B so nt sure if there is any changes. its best you check with the instructors during ur prac or revision, always ask them if u arent clear even if you think what u abt to ask maybe silly or stupid. Coz its better to be clear thn end up getting urself hurt or even worse other learning drivers/riders. PM me ur no. if u need more help =) cheers and hope u pass ur next PRAC 4.

[luminicious]

During your e-brake.. were you looking straight when you stop or were you looking at your speedo? I got a few times demerit points for doing so...

[guiderer]

Hey thanks for replying!

For me, what i think blind spot is: When u want to go into a lane, example turning left, your blind spot is on the right . If you wanna go right, ur blindspot is left.[wrong assumption. u check blindspot the direction where u are going into. but you before u check where you are going into, check for oncoming traffic.] The instructors also never made it clear what is a blind spot and what is checking back, just told us to check back when ur stationery. [instructors are correct in this case, rationale being, when u move off from stationary, any oncoming vehicles will be much faster than you, thus you check back to have a thorough view of what might be coming. (u try go youtube and see those test rider on a race circuit, when they slowly exit from pit lane to join the much faster race track, normally their whole body will turn back to check precisely due to the same reason)]

Another thing is, when we are at the starting point they told us to check right then move off check blind spot left, but left has no junction or anything. Only the walls. confused..[although u mention it is a wall, i m currently a 2A student there, there parked bikes and cars on the left. but nonetheless, becuz you will bend left before going into the right bend, therefore u must check the left first then right, so that u will not collide with any vehicle that you might have missed]

 

my replies are obvious in red, cant send without typing something here >.

[guiderer]

i took 2B at bbdc, 2A at ssdc, so i may not be 100% confirm sure of your test route, so lemme try with my 2cents

 

1st: Starting point, Signal left;check right;move off;check left while on move; go to the one with the slope(Starting point had walls on the left ; straight ahead was the lane; right also lane)

 

signal left, check right for on coming traffic, traffic clear - check back right then move off, check left BS due left bend, then check right BS due right bend. signal right while u approach your slope.

 

2nd: Go up the slope; check back right; move to the next stop line; check left for vehicles and check back right(Cause moving off to the right)

 

note for slope - move to top line if no other vehicles, to lower line if top lines occupied. do not enter if any vehicle more than 2 wheels are there.

 

upon reaching line, cancel signal and signal right (whichever line u r at, up down left right), check back INWARDS, move off, dun need to cancel signal.

 

3rd: 8-figure course; exiting i checked blind spot right while moving and head left(At this part i am not so clear, on the right vehicles are incoming)

 

again, u check right for oncoming vehicle b4 exiting, while exiting, u are turning left, so check BS left. (due to short distance and head turn here n there very busy, beware of wide turning which is 2pts.)

 

4th: Moved to the L-shaped course, at the end had to turn right so i checked blind spot left while on the move then went ahead)

still the same thing cuz of your wrong assumptions.

u checked left is correct, but for oncoming traffic, before turning right, u must check BS right.

 

5th:go straight ahead , turned right and waited for the traffic to turn green.

 

nothing here to be wary about.

 

6th: Crossed the traffic, headed for the e-brake.

7th: E-brake went 35-40km/h( i think i exceeded the limit ;supposed to be 30-35km/h) At the end, stopped , gear down , on signal, move off, halfway thru gear 2, check back right without stopping and headed for the plank/slalom.

 

note for ebrake, before move off check back INWARDS.

 

like my previous previous post.

stopped, gear down + signal right, CHECK BACK RIGHT, move off, exiting bumpy course, check BS right if still moving, check back left becuz of kerb on your right if your are stationary. then check bs right and bend right.

 

8th:end.

 

Passed already!!!

[drift]

solution: practice, practice, practice....

rode for more than 15 years with calss 2 long time ago.

[rider2013]

Bro me also took 2B at SSDC passed lesson 4 first attempt, maybe book 3 circuit revision, practice more on the each station, remember blind spots check left right, signal clutch techniques control. Slope check inwards and ebrake.

[Heathx]

When doing e-brake, the posture to achieve is like doing pushup on the handlebars. keep your body upright, use your hand to push against the handlebar.

 

blindspot is must turn head to make it more obvious. but, while checking, make sure your bike don't wobble, if not 4 points also.