Alternative way of charging ERP

[s4dreamer]

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Originally posted by redbeacon@April 27, 2007 10:57 am

Do you know what's their wake-up call in this case?

 

- Inventing smaller, slimmer, albeit esthetically cumbersome IU's

 

Cheers

This is ... They are really...

[madman]

more paperwork means asking them to charge you more...and when u dun pay on-time, each letter add in $0.50 reminder fee...you want that?

 

have a season card better...i hate to keep paying for it so many times...

 

why shd we pay as many times as we enter? does it create more jams if we enter once a day, or 5 times a day? they shd just deduct once per day per gantry...

[Echo]

I agree. If LTA do this way, there will be tons of paperwork and adminstrative work as well. This might means higher cost to the ERP rates.

 

Anyway.. don't you guys heard before that LTA is looking into implementing ERP by GPS? I think it is a really good idea, except that.. GPS is a expensive technology itself therefore the rates will be increased.. no doubt about it.

[Echo]

But my own opinions on having ERP are same as others. Why we need ERP in some areas like before steven road exit? The route is clear, just that sometimes there is heavy traffic. And because of that ERP gantry, traffic becomes very slow, inevitably causing unneccessary minor traffic jam. A few times, druing peak morning (8.58, 59am) when I was in lane 2, the speed of my front moving vehicle are actually.....20km/h.. just because there are 1 or 2 min before the ERP ends.. Obviously, this is bound to create traffic jam..

 

Having ERP in appropriate locations are good, to control flow of dense traffic.. but having a gantry out of the blue at exit steven road, can't really justify the need. Having ERP over at such locations in fact might make traffic flow worse. We might really need to petition on that...

[redbeacon]

From the way it is set up, I'm going to use the word "strategic".

 

Strategically placing some gantries at certain odd places makes sure that each and every SG motorist -- especially those detour-seekers --would have to eventually pay to get into the city.

 

That's another form of flow control...making sure that everyone gets pass at least a gantry during rush hour.

[s4dreamer]

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Originally posted by redbeacon@April 27, 2007 08:33 pm

From the way it is set up, I'm going to use the word "strategic".

 

Strategically placing some gantries at certain odd places makes sure that each and every SG motorist -- especially those detour-seekers --would have to eventually pay to get into the city.

 

That's another form of flow control...making sure that everyone gets pass at least a gantry during rush hour.

Oh well... That's the "garmen" for u!

[bladeboy]

hate it man somemore erp rising price by 50cents it hurts man

[ermintham]

i have a suggestion to curb the jams...

 

mayb u all can gimme ur opinions..

 

 

i realise the jams mainly is coz of merging of traffic from the filter lane ( is that wat u call it?)

 

so i was thinking...those areas located nearer to town area...shld have gantries at the entrance..this is to make pple whom are in areas nearer to town area to avoid the cte and use alt routes....

 

ppple staying far away like yishun amk then no need.

 

 

wats ur say? no flaming plz.

[Arcfire]

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Originally posted by ermintham@May 01, 2007 09:19 pm

i have a suggestion to curb the jams...

 

mayb u all can gimme ur opinions..

 

 

i realise the jams mainly is coz of merging of traffic from the filter lane ( is that wat u call it?)

 

so i was thinking...those areas located nearer to town area...shld have gantries at the entrance..this is to make pple whom are in areas nearer to town area to avoid the cte and use alt routes....

 

ppple staying far away like yishun amk then no need.

 

 

wats ur say? no flaming plz.

And let the garhmen earn less? dun tink they'll do that.

 

The ERP was NEVER there to control traffic. It does sh*t other than relieving road users of more $$.

 

Why would i say that?

 

1) Control of the use of roads/no of cars on the road used to be the function of the COE. Occasionally, you would see super fluctations in it which causes a surge in the number of new cars on the road.(especially during election periods) The gov earns more from the insane taxes and at the same time creates problems on the roads as more cars are present now. So if the ultimate purpose of the coe has already been made invalid by the huge amount of cars on the road, whats it there for? $$.......

 

2) To salvage the dumb situation that they have gotten themselves into, they implement the ERP which looks and sounds so nice on the outside but utterly useless. It doesn't do much but they earn a hell lot more. Last time when the old system was present all you needed was a single pass, can go in and out in and out. Now you go in go out everytime must pay.

 

3) The idea of the ERP was to control the flow of traffic at certain areas, which in turn cause more traffic at other areas. They are merely moving traffic from one road to another. The amount of cars are still the same, just at different places, that means elsewhere there is still congestion. Just look at CTE, every morning also jam like dunno wad. Even if you raise by another $1 it'll still be jammed. The root of the problem is that there are too many cars on the roads. Period. Solve that and you would have no need for the dumb erp system to always increase price.

[panclanrider]

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Originally posted by Arcfire@May 09, 2007 11:46 am

2) To salvage the dumb situation that they have gotten themselves into, they implement the ERP which looks and sounds so nice on the outside but utterly useless. It doesn't do much but they earn a hell lot more. Last time when the old system was present all you needed was a single pass, can go in and out in and out. Now you go in go out everytime must pay.

Absolutely correct...

 

One useless system to cover up the other that don't seems to work anymore...

 

And in the end, rolling in the $$$ from tax payers is what they want...

 

Problem is still there for us to face it...

 

 

:nono:

[NC35]

this issue has alr been discuss.. hmm.. think maybe by giro lor.. cause sometime forget to take out the card den kena stolen... lots of cashcard thiefs nowadays.. lost 5 cashcards alr..

[revenge]

dun go in erp during peak hours den wun need cashcard l0r

[7346]

  revenge said:

dun go in erp during peak hours den wun need cashcard l0r

 

Is it possible... try if ya Office is located at shenton way or wat so ever district in the cbd area cum you are working 8-5

 

might as well say take public transport ???

 

No Offences

[NC35]

  7346 said:

Is it possible... try if ya Office is located at shenton way or wat so ever district in the cbd area cum you are working 8-5

 

might as well say take public transport ???

 

No Offences

 

haha... maybe park somewhere b4 the erp gantry n walk abit lor..

[revenge]

ahbo carry the bike and throw over the gantry l0r.... den no need pay lia0

[mi5trooper]

giro is not a gd idea thro. as the money is deduct before u know it. appeal for return of money isn't easy.

 

just a thought only. :-)

 

  yun2309 said:

this issue has alr been discuss.. hmm.. think maybe by giro lor.. cause sometime forget to take out the card den kena stolen... lots of cashcard thiefs nowadays.. lost 5 cashcards alr..

[bensonloo]

my friend made a small hole of 2-3mm at the expose end of the cash card and tie a string to bike key. He never lost his cash card anymore.

 

But everytime you insert your bike key, insert the cash card too.