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January 5, 2006

Originally posted by hockie69@Jan 5 2006, 01:15 AM
take it step by step lor.

but have to start from somewhere mah.

if long trip...then motorola walkie talkie(5mile range type) + ear piece would be great help.(abt $135)

of course CB radio is best...but abit overkill la.

It's almost impossible to communicate well at high speed. The wind noise simply overwrites everything.

AlvZz · January 5, 2006

Originally posted by Enjoy^83@Jan 5 2006, 09:08 PM
It's almost impossible to communicate well at high speed. The wind noise simply overwrites everything.

ya that the problem....

but for normal use its gd as long ur travelling @ below 100

hockie69 · January 5, 2006

wow...u guys sounds like going at 200km/hr type siahz...lolz

anyway...whats the average "Mesh jacket" that u guys are using?

i try out the RS taichi ones at motorworld...feels good.but the price of $300 turn me off.....it mesh & not leather....yet so EX....somemore made in china...walao.

what other choice avail in SG? like brands/model....

*the mesh jacket were more for touring...maybe 1 or 2 track use nia.

AlvZz · January 5, 2006

Originally posted by hockie69@Jan 5 2006, 11:24 PM
wow...u guys sounds like going at 200km/hr type siahz...lolz

anyway...whats the average "Mesh jacket" that u guys are using?

i try out the RS taichi ones at motorworld...feels good.but the price of $300 turn me off.....it mesh & not leather....yet so EX....somemore made in china...walao.

what other choice avail in SG? like brands/model....

*the mesh jacket were more for touring...maybe 1 or 2 track use nia.

hm........

maybe u can try Rjay which is cheaper as mesh

can try go regina c c

but then to say if i not wrong they did say u can get alphinestar mesh at china which is way cheap convert here is like less then 200

pingxue · January 5, 2006

Sorry to Interrupted but anyone know the differences between the 06 and the 05 model,beside the color... i just signed for the 05 one but now reconsidering the 06 model. any comments??

hockie69 · January 5, 2006

Rjay Mesh looks like this ?

http://202.172.233.185/albums/userpics/10937/normal_Air%20Mesh%20Silver%203331-1.JPG

the armour dont seen to be CE approve type leh.

oh....i want my life....i got small balls.i want protection on times which i dont expect.

alpinestar is contract mfg...dun think can get "geniue" product there...lots of fake....so fake till it 99% real.but still remain as "replica".u want to trust ur life in that?

hockie69 · January 5, 2006

Originally posted by pingxue@Jan 6 2006, 12:16 AM
Sorry to Interrupted but anyone know the differences between the 06 and the 05 model,beside the color... i just signed for the 05 one but now reconsidering the 06 model. any comments??

Yes,there is TWO change.

same like u...i was tose bewteen RR5 & RR6...end of day...decide on the RR5 for the 1k saving.

booked mine from boonsiew on 19/12...yet to collect bike(my fault,i wasnt in town.the bike,coe,insurance all done liao...just waiting for me to come home).

back to the TWO change.

#1- Turning Radius

RR5 - 10.8 feet

RR6 - 10.5 feet ( 3.2m)

#2- wheelbase

RR5 - 54.5 inchs

RR6 - 54.7 inchs ( 1395mm)

except for THAT....all matters remain unchange...from BHP to weight to ANYTHING(beside color)

Click me for info from USA Honda

color change except for BLACK...RR5 & RR6 share the same black/sliver design!

local spec (base on euro spec) --> http://www.mc.honda-eu.com/uk/en/sh/cbr600...mages/48446.swf

just to make me feel good for buying a "Ex-yr" model.

#1- color change cost 1k more?

#2- same spec just different model name -RRX ?

#3- RR6 but mfg in 2005?

enough for me to just get the RR5.but thats just me la.

mechwira · January 5, 2006

Originally posted by hockie69@Jan 6 2006, 12:16 AM
Rjay Mesh looks like this ?

the armour dont seen to be CE approve type leh.

oh....i want my life....i got small balls.i want protection on times which i dont expect.

alpinestar is contract mfg...dun think can get "geniue" product there...lots of fake....so fake till it 99% real.but still remain as "replica".u want to trust ur life in that?

uncle hock, u see my signature, the center pic of me with the blue and yellow background? click on the pic can view larger image. i'm wearing the Rjays air mesh in the pic.

it is 180 at regina. best to have a look yourself.

actually what is CE approved armour made of ah? the padding in the Rjays has 'CE' and some numbers, but donno if that is 'CE approved' or just some manufacturing numbers.

this Rjays has removable hard foam padding at the elbow, shoulder and back. these padding all hard but thin, including the spine padding. its not a hump like in your pic.

there is also removable inner waterproof layer.

cruising in hot sun will feel comfortable and cool, but stop at traffic light or worse still kena traffic jam will start to sweat.

just today i tried ride in heavy downpour with the jacket. the very big problem is that water easily seeps thru the front zipper, very bad. the rest of it is very well waterproof; i take it off after riding everything dry except one very obvious wet stripe running down the middle of my front. not advisable to wear in heavy downpour.

my final opinion is the jacket worth 180, question is you want a jacket worth 180 or u want jacket worth even more than that, if u noe wat i mean.

mechwira · January 5, 2006

Originally posted by hockie69@Jan 6 2006, 01:12 AM
back to the TWO change.

#1- Turning Radius

RR5 - 10.8 feet
RR6 - 10.5 feet ( 3.2m)

#2- wheelbase

RR5 - 54.5 inchs
RR6 - 54.7 inchs ( 1395mm)

gee i didn noe about these changes.

but kind of strange leh, they lengthen the wheelbase of the RR6 yet it manages to turn tighter.

but the tighter turning radius so marginal, if i dun pedal scrape on road i doubt i can tell the diff.

hockie69 · January 6, 2006

Originally posted by mechwira@Jan 6 2006, 03:06 AM
my final opinion is the jacket worth 180, question is you want a jacket worth 180 or u want jacket worth even more than that, if u noe wat i mean.

found this online which has quite a fair bit of info...but more like for beginer.

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Motorcycle equipment which claims to offer protection to the rider must comply with the European Commission's Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) legislation (Directive 89/686/EEC). All protective armour must be tested and approved to the European Standard EN1621-1/1997. To gain the CE mark products have to be tested and approved by an independent, Government approved test house. While the CE mark can't guarantee to prevent all injuries in an accident, it may significantly reduce the severity of your injuries.

Checking the conformity can be pretty tricky, as some clothing will carry the CE mark, but not conform. For example a set of leathers may be fitted with CE compliant armour, but not be constructed to meet the standard. Look for the tell tale notice in the label, which normally reads "This garment is not considered to be personal protective equipment as defined in the EC directive etc.". Generally speaking clothing which meets the standard will offer better protection, but usually at a higher cost.

http://www.motorcycle-training.f2s.com/safety.html

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type of CE RN1621-1/97 metarial

http://www.johnsonleather.com/images/comparison2.GIF

some good read on the type of metarial used(abit of sale pitch in there)

http://www.johnsonleather.com/compare.htm

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abit of CE history on body armour

WHAT DOES CE MEAN?

In 1989 the European Commission passed a "European Community Council Directive" which has become known as the "PPE Directive" (PPE means Personal Protective Equipment). What the PPE Directive means is that whatever the item, (from Rubber washing up gloves to Fireman's breathing equipment) if it is sold as - or is intended to offer protection to the user then it has to comply to the requirements of the PPE Directive. This then covers every item in every walk of life that offers protection.

The PPE Directive was brought into Mandatory Legislation for every country in the European Community in 1995 and was implemented into UK Law as a Statutory Instrument in 1992 No3139. All protective product should be marked with "CE" to show that they meet with these requirements.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO MOTORCYCLING:

Under duress and after a significant amount of pressure from the European Motorcycle Industry the European Commission issued new guide lines in May 1995 from the office of DG111. The following is the main content of the guidelines.

"As a general rule, the clothes used by motorcyclists (which include gloves, boots, shoes,etc.) are for private use to protect against the weather: rain,heat and cold.

They should therefore be excluded from the scope of the PPE Directive (89/686/EEC)

(Annex 1, point3)

However, if the manufacturer specifically claims, or implies in sales literature or advertising, that because of particular additional features (e.g. elbow pads, knee pads and the like) this clothing offers special protection, these additional features alone shall be classed as PPE and must therefore comply with the provisions of the Directive.

If the manufacturer claims, or implies in sales literature or advertising, that the whole garment provides special protection in addition to that offered by individual protectors, the whole garment must comply with all the essential requirements of Directive 89/686/EEC."

KNOX was the first brand in the world to gain CE approval and comply to the requirements of the PPE Directive. All Knox body armour is tested and approved to the European impact protector Standards EN1621-1/1997 and prEN1621-2 which have very specific testing criteria. To gain the CE mark all products have to be tested and approved by an independent, Government approved test house.

Wearing an appropriate set of Knox body armour may mean surviving a potentially fatal crash, or bad bruising instead of a broken limb, or maybe just reducing road rash. It means that while you can trust CE approved body armour to protect you, it can't guarantee to prevent all injuries in an accident

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CE Test involve for metarial to be approve.

http://standards.mackido.com/en/en-standar..._view_3971.html

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okie....after reading all those....anyone still awake?

*for me....it simple....i base my purchase on "life,style,value".so u can say...i value LIFE more then style...and "value" only come later.

there is a old saying when i was newbie time(15yrs ago).money gone can earn back.lamb/arm gone can never bring back.dont compromise.

hockie69 · January 6, 2006

Originally posted by mechwira@Jan 6 2006, 03:12 AM
gee i didn noe about these changes.

but kind of strange leh, they lengthen the wheelbase of the RR6 yet it manages to turn tighter.

but the tighter turning radius so marginal, if i dun pedal scrape on road i doubt i can tell the diff.

some layman term way of "explain".

Wheelbase -

when YZF-R1 was launch in 98 time.the wheel base is 3~4cm shorter then "that time" cbr900,gixxer,kawa.....everybody(MAG editer) was crazy over the "flippable" performance in the track & rate it "the BEST".

but when normal buyer ride it on the Road.ppl will find it "too sensitive"....but heck...the bike is SOLD...yama make money..who cares.it a ###### on the road(not included abt the poor/weak clutch too)

in general "long" wheelbase promote Good High speed straight line traveling."short" wheelbase provide Good flexlibity in twisty roads.

turning radius -

the different is very min.infact,i suspect the steering core degree were increase by 1DEG only.........but be-cos turn radius is define as "bike on full lock position & move".distance from pt A ~pt B = turning raduis.

argee...even if ur knee is sliding on de road...that 1DEG or the extreme end of the steering core were not used.infact....most of the time..when we do use/turn the handle into the extreme end of the core...is when push bike parking......lolz

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above is just my own laymen views.Pls correct me for any error.

pingxue · January 6, 2006

Originally posted by hockie69@Jan 6 2006, 01:12 AM
Yes,there is TWO change.

same like u...i was tose bewteen RR5 & RR6...end of day...decide on the RR5 for the 1k saving.

booked mine from boonsiew on 19/12...yet to collect bike(my fault,i wasnt in town.the bike,coe,insurance all done liao...just waiting for me to come home).

back to the TWO change.

#1- Turning Radius

RR5 - 10.8 feet
RR6 - 10.5 feet ( 3.2m)

#2- wheelbase

RR5 - 54.5 inchs
RR6 - 54.7 inchs ( 1395mm)

except for THAT....all matters remain unchange...from BHP to weight to ANYTHING(beside color)

Click me for info from USA Honda

color change except for BLACK...RR5 & RR6 share the same black/sliver design!

local spec (base on euro spec) --> http://www.mc.honda-eu.com/uk/en/sh/cbr600...mages/48446.swf

just to make me feel good for buying a "Ex-yr" model.

#1- color change cost 1k more?
#2- same spec just different model name -RRX ?
#3- RR6 but mfg in 2005?
enough for me to just get the RR5.but thats just me la.

Oh:cheeky: hehe k thanks man. Wow "The older ginger is also better"...

For me i got the black & silver one, maybe wanna change the colour.

But still thinking.. Thnaks anyway.

hockie69 · January 6, 2006

Originally posted by pingxue@Jan 6 2006, 09:29 AM
Oh:cheeky: hehe k thanks man. Wow "The older ginger is also better"...
For me i got the black & silver one, maybe wanna change the colour.
But still thinking.. Thnaks anyway.

i also very young....superbike is the senior here.

i 20-ish w many +.

where u bought ur RR5 ? care to tell us the price?

do join us...de RRiders here are cool brunch of ppl.

mechwira · January 6, 2006

Originally posted by hockie69@Jan 6 2006, 08:35 AM
Motorcycle equipment which claims to offer protection to the rider must comply with the European Commission's Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) legislation (Directive 89/686/EEC). All protective armour must be tested and approved to the European Standard EN1621-1/1997. To gain the CE mark products have to be tested and approved by an independent, Government approved test house.

the Rjays removable shoulder pad has the following label on the pad itself:

"CE

EN 1621-1

S Type B"

Checking the conformity can be pretty tricky, as some clothing will carry the CE mark, but not conform. For example a set of leathers may be fitted with CE compliant armour, but not be constructed to meet the standard. Look for the tell tale notice in the label, which normally reads "This garment is not considered to be personal protective equipment as defined in the EC directive etc.".

while i cant find any such label on the Rjays, i think this jacket is a case of Rjays using CE compliant pads in the jacket, but the jacket as a whole including the pad might not be CE approved.

actually right uncle hock, like i said in my previous post, this jacket is worth 180 and nothing more than that. i've only ever seen 2 models of airmesh, one is the one i wearing and the other is some 'HRC' brand carried by sporting motors and displayed at the recent expo. both these in the 100++ region, and both also same, though the HRC feels to be thinner in material and padding.

if there are air mesh jackets out there which are even better (altho more expensive), i haven seen them coz i was looking for 100++ range. air mesh is a budget option worth the money they asking for, but i guess its still a budget option. try looking for others.

mechwira · January 6, 2006

CBR600RR Meet-up January 2006 going over to SBF anniversary!

Sat 14 Jan 12.30PM

1. mechwira

2. sportb1ke (Ben)

3. Hock

4. A|vZz

5. Enjoy^83

6.

CBR600RR Track Visit Proposal

Wednesday 18 Jan Afternoon 2PM-5PM

1. mechwira

2. Hock (ride/drive-not decided)

3. A|vZz

4. sportb1ke (Ben)

hockie69 · January 6, 2006

Originally posted by mechwira@Jan 6 2006, 12:27 PM
air mesh is a budget option worth the money they asking for, but i guess its still a budget option. try looking for others.

not true on mesh jacket are budget option.

like the below...which are mesh...offer much protection.

RS Taichi -RSJ187

http://www.rs-taichi.com/main/rsj187gum.gif

alpinestart Air tec mesh

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/photos/300/g11725.jpg

Fieldsheer congo sport mesh

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/photos/300/i41591.jpg

Tour master - Cortech GX Air Jacket

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/photos/300/g21284.jpg

price is slight higher....but Mesh in ang mo context were meant for "summer riding".

just so happen that SG are "summer all year long".

of course...nothing beats Leather for track use.

kori · January 6, 2006

anyone who i can contact on that day? pm me hp number?

mechwira · January 6, 2006

Originally posted by hockie69@Jan 6 2006, 12:46 PM
not true on mesh jacket are budget option.

sorry, typo!

i meant to say Rjays Air Mesh Jacket is a budget option where air mesh jackets are concerned. i didn mean to say that air mesh jackets are budget option jackets.

i also meant to say that if u are not looking for budget option in the first place (like i was when i bought the Rjays), then yeah those jackets u show would be better options.

mechwira · January 6, 2006

Originally posted by kori@Jan 6 2006, 01:00 PM
anyone who i can contact on that day? pm me hp number?

i volunteer lah

90473780

check this thread for details about our 600RR meet-up the day before the event to see what we decide.

and fellow RRiders, pls dun consider me sole organiser for everything, anyone welcome to organise stuff yah

AlvZz · January 6, 2006

to me i feel the Rjay mesh for normal use is ok lah...

but touch wood.... 1 time nia its comfirm gone case

as for the padding the back form is ok but not up there

but there always can buy better back protector

AlvZz · January 6, 2006

ok guys

the lastest update is out....

there will be no mass ride on the sbf anniversary as they are not able to get the approval

hockie69 · January 6, 2006

RR6 tri-color is in-stock at boonsiew.

looks like...a change of the back cowl to black...RR6 facelift....lolz

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8352/060120069hj.th.jpg http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6059/060120060014cx.th.jpg http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/276/060120060034me.th.jpg

compare to a RR5 tri-color......

finally collected mine.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/726/060120060091wx.th.jpg

mechwira · January 6, 2006

steady lah uncle hock!

taken it for a spin around the neighborhood yet?

next week will be able to see ur bike with all the goodies anot?

Honda Europe realli, realli need to sack their paintwork designers and just apply US colurs instead.

mechwira · January 6, 2006

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9720/thing6as.jpg

wats that thing there?

some new decorative piece for the RR6?

hockie69 · January 6, 2006

Originally posted by mechwira@Jan 6 2006, 07:48 PM
steady lah uncle hock!

taken it for a spin around the neighborhood yet?

next week will be able to see ur bike with all the goodies anot?

Honda Europe realli, realli need to sack their paintwork designers and just apply US colurs instead.

just ride home nia.....

later tonite...will go round island 1st.

if any one..wan to have late nite kopi...msg me 90709983.

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