[Group] SUZUKI GSR 400/600

[WildCard]

Sorry to dig this up again. *Frankly speaking, if two gentleman debating over a topic, i let them finish it out. Its a STOP if one of them start to use vulgarity or name calling*

 

I understand what Skateboy is trying to convey and yes i believe what he said. Honest truth and not because i know skateboy, frankly i know wildcard more than skateboy.

 

This is from my own experience. Previously i stay near my work place, i need abt 5-8mins to reach to work and my FC is abt 15-16km/litre. I had moved house and now i need abt 25-30mins to reach work and my FC is abt 19-20km/litre. So when i stay near my workplace, for every per tank, i have more cycle to warmup (although on both places i warm up the same duration) which didn't clock mileage.

 

This is just my view i'm expressing out so pls don't flame me. (yeah i know some ppl got this comment,"wan to express out can but make sure u know what u expressing it out")

 

 

Same comparison:

I stay in Jurong East.

I used to work at Pasir Panjang, Science Park 2 to be exact.

Total mileage back & forth is about 20km~ per trip (mostly expressway on PIE -> Clementi Ave 6 -> AYE -> NUS exit and same route back).

 

Now I work in Tampines Central.

Total mileage back and forth about 81km (mostly expressway on Bricklands Road->KJE-BKE-SLE-TPE-> exit Tampines and same route back).

 

Guess what? I still get about 230 km before reserve with minor variations in between (difference of about 3-5 kms max either way on both routes).

Considering I have more number of warm-ups and I take about the same time per warm-up (warm up until 50 degC and move off) if I were to pescribe to the calculation above. Average speed is around 90-100 km/h for both (traffic conditions on both routes demands that average).

Yes, I was on Giannellis and custom PC3 mapping on both routes.

Oh, and speedo has been calibrated via SpeedoHealer using GPS. So error factor is reduced to near-nil.

 

 

NB: I'm all for mature gentleman discussions. No name-calling and insults. I call discrepancy in an observation / theory but no name-calling is called for either.

[devil-suzy]

lai liao lai liao...

 

i ll be leaving AMK at abt 3+ later...

will be free after that...

 

wat time u all wanna meet up???

call me!!!

 

97307741

[Dark Lord]

I work till 5pm lah,sianzz

[devil-suzy]

I work till 5pm lah,sianzz

 

can call me when ur done...

i might still be in e area...

 

might be at jalan bersah stadium...

watch VJC vs ACJC...

National A Div Semi finals...

3pm kick off...

haha...

 

go there see mei mei...

haha...

[hougang]

can call me when ur done...

i might still be in e area...

 

might be at jalan bersah stadium...

watch VJC vs ACJC...

National A Div Semi finals...

3pm kick off...

haha...

 

go there see mei mei...

haha...

 

haha..you may spot my bike there. i parked at the small carpark next to singapore casket.

[AirWoLF]

can call me when ur done...

i might still be in e area...

 

might be at jalan bersah stadium...

watch VJC vs ACJC...

National A Div Semi finals...

3pm kick off...

haha...

 

go there see mei mei...

haha...

 

tell me when its the finals... ahaha... I miss the rugby finals for A division...

 

and the funny thing is I semi-coached my school's rugby team... tsk tsk tsk...

[Dark Lord]

Aft werk I'll be going back straight,I'll be sending my GF to werk 2nite...

N fetching her 2moro at 0730,so need a gud rest...

Sat gonna spend the whole day at hm,preparing my stuff 4 my 1st ICT in 2 weeks time...

[skateboy]

So, if guy B has a double capacity tank of 600km, wouldn't he spend 75 minutes also warming up? Approx 15 times of warmups (based on 7.5 times x 2) total?

 

Remember, your point of contention is number of warmups and total time taken to warmup.

i'm talking about per tank capacity n 300km as a standard distance travelled b4 top up for GUY A n GUY B. NOT double tank capacity n 600km travelling distance for GUY B only.

 

i remember my point of contention. its the number of warm ups n total time taken to warm up. base on ONE tank capacity n 300km as a standard distance travelled b4 topping up of petrol.

 

I say again,

Side by side, Guy A vs Guy B. Same distance, same theoretical average speed, same tank size, same capacity.

A warms up for 5 minutes. B warms up for 10 minutes.

There is now tangible difference in total warm-up time, regardless of per-tank or per month.

Then your theory is fairly proven.

this prove ur theory n the test u set. my theory is not proven in this way. n from the example u gave, i can c the difference in warm up time by the look at it. for mine, we need to do a simple calculation b4 we can c the difference.

 

 

Your comparison method, its like pitting an endurance runner against a sprinter. Just because a sprinter can run fast doesn't mean he can match an endurance runner, even with same condition, same pace, same surface, etc but giving the sprinter super-light shoes.

 

You want to make a comparison on a certain factor, you match all other contributing factors until there is very little or no variable and change one factor as the comparison factor, eg, you take 2 sprinters of equal capabilities in equal conditions and use different shoes on each and put them through their paces.

You can even have 3 sprinters against each other: one on super-light shoe, one on super-heavy shoe and one on normal shoe. The one on normal shoe would be called the Control Group, a test subject with normalized or unchanged factors as compared to the other 2 to be used as a baseline comparison as well as replicate / eliminate any uknown or unusual anomalies that may have occured during the test.

 

my comparison is very simple. just one GSR will do the job. this is to get a fair test. base on one bike n the specific conditions given.

 

1st condition:

- full tank of petrol.

- standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up.

- distance to work place is 20km.

- warm up time of 5 minutes.

- travelling speed of 100km/h with no traffic obstructions

 

2nd condition:

- full tank of petrol.

- standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up.

- distance to work place is 40km.

- warm up time of 5 minutes.

- travelling speed of 100km/h with no traffic obstructions

 

as u can c the 1st n 2nd condition, the difference is the distance to work. base on the standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up, and the difference in the distance to work, the number of times the bike need to start up will b determined. n warm up time can b calculated. from there, the difference will show. note that the travelling speed is the same with no traffic obstruction? that is to get an even fairer test in terms of traffic conditions n travelling speed.

[skateboy]

Aiya just let skateboy win lah Wildcard. Like this will never end one loh. Why argue with each other. End up also no diff. Both have their own theory and logic. As what motofreak said. Ride till tank empty than pump petrol. END. FC higher due to rider or bike doesn't matter lah. Rider trottle happy, at the end of the day pump more petrol. Bike too heavy due to weight or wind resistance or whatever also pump more petrol.

 

If wanna get the best FC for the bike is just leave it at home and look at it everyday admiring it and kissing it (Optional). That way u no need to pump petrol and no need to worry abt the FC.

 

I am just pointing out in the first place that our bike is having almost the same FC as some of the class 2 bike. Why did it escalate till need to argue who is right or wrong. Tank empty Pump.

 

THE END...

its not about winning or losing. its more like a debate on wat we had learnt from day 1 when we ride bike. so we stand firm on our theroies n our believes. we both tried to convince each other that either one of us is right. but both stand firm so we had a debate to c who is right in the end. no casualities but end of the day, we learn something. its either i learn something or he learn something.

[WildCard]

my comparison is very simple. just one GSR will do the job. this is to get a fair test. base on one bike n the specific conditions given.

 

1st condition:

- full tank of petrol.

- standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up.

- distance to work place is 20km.

- warm up time of 5 minutes.

- travelling speed of 100km/h with no traffic obstructions

 

2nd condition:

- full tank of petrol.

- standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up.

- distance to work place is 40km.

- warm up time of 5 minutes.

- travelling speed of 100km/h with no traffic obstructions

 

as u can c the 1st n 2nd condition, the difference is the distance to work. base on the standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up, and the difference in the distance to work, the number of times the bike need to start up n warm up will show the difference. note that the travelling speed is the same with no traffic obstruction? that is to get an even fairer test in terms of traffic conditions n travelling speed.

 

But you're changing 2 variables simultaneously just to test one factor.

You have a difference in distance covered and conversely total warm-up time as well as total number of warm-ups.

 

I'll put it this way, I'm not disagreeing with your theory. It has rational. But the method of test skewers the result. You try to test for a factor with simultaneous differing variables at the same time.

 

Take the PB magazine test of the 600cc shooutouts.

Not so scientific but same concept.

 

You have different bikes. But what do you have in common for the rest?

Same distance travelled, same tyres (BT002ss), same rider (The Baron with his extensive knowledge of the ring), same datalogging set measured for speed and specs for all bikes. The only variable is now the bike itself.

They didn't do the test with, say Triumph on its stock Dunlop Sportmax Qualifier and the GSR on its stock BT014 and expect the test to be fair?

They didn't run the Street Triple on, say, Philip Island and the GSR on, say, The Ring and expect the test to be fair.

Nope, you equalize all factors and change only one factor to test its effects.

 

I'll take your suggestion and modify it.

1 bike. Only 1 bike.

2 tests:

1. Same distance travelled, same average speed, same conditions. For 3 full tanks, the bike warms up for 5 minutes. Afterwhich, the next 3 full tanks, the bike warms up for 10 minutes.

2. Same distance travelled, same average speed, same conditions. Same distance travelled, same average speed, same conditions. For 3 full tanks, the bike warms up for 5 minutes. Afterwhich, the next 3 full tanks, the bike does not warm up at all.

 

All factors totally equalized and all variables the same.

 

Otherwise, we get skewered results.

Arzme gets his better FC while I get same exact FC with differing travel distances for each subject.

[WildCard]

its not about winning or losing. its more like a debate on wat we had learnt from day 1 when we ride bike. so we stand firm on our theroies n our believes. we both tried to convince each other that either one of us is right. but both stand firm so we had a debate to c who is right in the end. no casualities but end of the day, we learn something. its either i learn something or he learn something.

 

 

Agreed.

At least we're not throwing books, chairs and what-have-yous like those Taiwanese parliament sessions....

 

 

:lol:

[wait4me]

we still fellow bikers ma..

plus we're frenz...

our frenship ll go far lah...

 

 

 

haha...

getting ready for my new job...

starting in July...

will be based in England...

Manchester United Football Club juz signed me...

they believe i can help em retain e EPL title next season...

 

we friend meh ?

 

if friend how come last day then say

u knn

[skateboy]

Sorry to dig this up again. *Frankly speaking, if two gentleman debating over a topic, i let them finish it out. Its a STOP if one of them start to use vulgarity or name calling*

 

I understand what Skateboy is trying to convey and yes i believe what he said. Honest truth and not because i know skateboy, frankly i know wildcard more than skateboy.

 

This is from my own experience. Previously i stay near my work place, i need abt 5-8mins to reach to work and my FC is abt 15-16km/litre. I had moved house and now i need abt 25-30mins to reach work and my FC is abt 19-20km/litre. So when i stay near my workplace, for every per tank, i have more cycle to warmup (although on both places i warm up the same duration) which didn't clock mileage.

 

This is just my view i'm expressing out so pls don't flame me. (yeah i know some ppl got this comment,"wan to express out can but make sure u know what u expressing it out")

no flames! its a free debate! your experience is wat i'm talking about.

 

so in simple terms, base on one tank of petrol:

near work place = shorter distance to work = more warm up cycle = more time spent on warm up.

 

far work place = longer distance to work = less warm up cycle = less time spent on warm up.

 

is that wat u r trying to say?

 

Basically the simple truth is (provided you only travel to work and back...)

 

Non-clocked mileage is translated into fuel consumption engine running at stationary...

 

but when you travel further, the fuel is used as part of clocking the mileage...

 

So which is a better FC is not really something of a contention because if there is more of a cycle of starting the engine...

It does mean that you will only refuel after a longer period of time...

More starts means it is over a longer period of time isnt it if everything stays the same

 

Whereas for those who travelled further, you optimize the use of your petrol by clocking the mileage as well...

but with the smaller cycle of starting the engine...

 

You ultimately refuel over a shorter period of time...

 

See, the thing is it is just that the petrol is optimised for mileage use for further travel thus having the higher mileage count / litre...

 

whereas the shorter distance due to lesser mileage clocked translates into a lower mileage count / litre...

 

I live so near my work place... when I was running in my bike some time back, a fuel tank lasts me more than a week... and I was only going to and from work... ( considering before i met you guys and started roaming around )... now, roaming around... I top up every four or six days... or even less...

 

It is just that I am not optimizing my fuel usage for mileage... hence the purported lower mileage/litre.

 

Hope it seems a little clearer somehow... but if my views are skewed... please advice me so that it all make even more sense in the end... (Cos heh... I am interested in the topic...)

i'm abit blur. mayb u try to summarise?

[arzme]

my comparison is very simple. just one GSR will do the job. this is to get a fair test. base on one bike n the specific conditions given.

 

1st condition:

- full tank of petrol.

- standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up.

- distance to work place is 20km.

- warm up time of 5 minutes.

- travelling speed of 100km/h with no traffic obstructions

 

2nd condition:

- full tank of petrol.

- standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up.

- distance to work place is 40km.

- warm up time of 5 minutes.

- travelling speed of 100km/h with no traffic obstructions

 

as u can c the 1st n 2nd condition, the difference is the distance to work. base on the standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up, and the difference in the distance to work, the number of times the bike need to start up will b determined. n warm up time can b calculated. from there, the difference will show. note that the travelling speed is the same with no traffic obstruction? that is to get an even fairer test in terms of traffic conditions n travelling speed.

@Skateboy:

There is an error on ur condition(s). As u are debating on lower FC for ppl living nearby, then tht person can't clock 300Km b4 top up. He/She will have lower distance cover, thus ur comment,"- standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up. " can't be applied. If Guy A & Guy B both able to travel 300KM before top-up, then their FC will be the same since FC=Mileage/litre.... issin't it?

[arzme]

no flames! its a free debate! your experience is wat i'm talking about.

 

so in simple terms, base on one tank of petrol:

near work place = shorter distance to work = more warm up cycle = more time spent on warm up.

 

far work place = longer distance to work = less warm up cycle = less time spent on warm up.

 

is that wat u r trying to say?

Yup tht right.

[skateboy]

But you're changing 2 variables simultaneously just to test one factor.

You have a difference in distance covered and conversely total warm-up time as well as total number of warm-ups.

 

I'll put it this way, I'm not disagreeing with your theory. It has rational. But the method of test skewers the result. You try to test for a factor with simultaneous differing variables at the same time.

 

with a full tank of petrol, a standard distance distance travelled of 300km b4 top up, warm up time is the same for both conditions, 5 minutes. the only difference is the distance to work. so, that will determine the number of start up cycles n subsequently, the total time needed to warm up the bike per tank. from there, its 2 variables instead of 1 variable, initially with the difference in distance to work

 

 

Take the PB magazine test of the 600cc shooutouts.

Not so scientific but same concept.

 

You have different bikes. But what do you have in common for the rest?

Same distance travelled, same tyres (BT002ss), same rider (The Baron with his extensive knowledge of the ring), same datalogging set measured for speed and specs for all bikes. The only variable is now the bike itself.

They didn't do the test with, say Triumph on its stock Dunlop Sportmax Qualifier and the GSR on its stock BT014 and expect the test to be fair?

They didn't run the Street Triple on, say, Philip Island and the GSR on, say, The Ring and expect the test to be fair.

Nope, you equalize all factors and change only one factor to test its effects.

 

I'll take your suggestion and modify it.

1 bike. Only 1 bike.

2 tests:

1. Same distance travelled, same average speed, same conditions. For 3 full tanks, the bike warms up for 5 minutes. Afterwhich, the next 3 full tanks, the bike warms up for 10 minutes.

2. Same distance travelled, same average speed, same conditions. For 3 full tanks, the bike warms up for 5 minutes. Afterwhich, the next 3 full tanks, the bike does not warm up at all.

 

All factors totally equalized and all variables the same.

 

Otherwise, we get skewered results.

 

 

i'm not talking about different bikes. i'm referring to just GSR 400. i'm using one GSR 400 for this fuel consumption comparison. so that the condition of the engine n other parts of the bike dun varies too much from each other which in return, affects the result of the test.

 

so now, the condition for the test.

 

bike: GSR 400

rider: skateboy

 

1st condition:

- same average speed

- same condition

- 3 full tanks.

- warm up time 5 minutes

- only difference in travelling distance to work, 20km

 

2nd condition:

- same average speed

- same condition

- 3 full tanks.

- warm up time 5 minutes

- only difference in travelling distance to work, 40km

 

as u can c, the only different variable is the distance travelled to work. but after calculation, there is another different variable which is the total time taken to warm up the bike per tank which is caused by the number of start up cycles.

 

 

Arzme gets his better FC while I get same exact FC with differing travel distances for each subject.

that is bcos Arzme use the same method of calculation as i do n u use ur method of calculation. so results differs.

[skateboy]

my comparison is very simple. just one GSR will do the job. this is to get a fair test. base on one bike n the specific conditions given.

 

1st condition:

- full tank of petrol.

- standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up.

- distance to work place is 20km.

- warm up time of 5 minutes.

- travelling speed of 100km/h with no traffic obstructions

 

2nd condition:

- full tank of petrol.

- standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up.

- distance to work place is 40km.

- warm up time of 5 minutes.

- travelling speed of 100km/h with no traffic obstructions

 

as u can c the 1st n 2nd condition, the difference is the distance to work. base on the standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up, and the difference in the distance to work, the number of times the bike need to start up will b determined. n warm up time can b calculated. from there, the difference will show. note that the travelling speed is the same with no traffic obstruction? that is to get an even fairer test in terms of traffic conditions n travelling speed.

 

@Skateboy:

There is an error on ur condition(s). As u are debating on lower FC for ppl living nearby, then tht person can't clock 300Km b4 top up. He/She will have lower distance cover, thus ur comment,"- standard distance travelled of 300km b4 top up. " can't be applied. If Guy A & Guy B both able to travel 300KM before top-up, then their FC will be the same since FC=Mileage/litre.... issin't it?

for me, i use 300km as a mark to top up petrol cos i do not wanna push the petrol level too low. of cos, i can't possibly top 300km on the dot. its either abit more or less. theoritically, we can cos calculation is on paper. but we try to make examples as realistic as possible.

 

taken from a few posts earlier...

 

lets put it this way:

- base on a full tank n a standard distance covered of 300km.

- given the distance to be travelled.

- the possible number of times needed to warm up base on the standard distance covered of 300km n the distance to be travelled.

- 5 minutes for every warm up.

- standard speed of 100km/h with no traffic obstruction.

 

so:

GUY A, distance to work is 20km. base on a full tank n a standard distance covered of 300km. 300 / 20 = 15.

 

GUY B, distance to work is 40km. base on a full tank n a standard distance covered of 300km. 300 / 40 = 7.5 (round off to 8).

 

so:

GUY A need to warm up the bike 15 times per tank.

GUY B need to warm up the bike 8 times per tank.

 

therefore:

GUY A spend 75 minutes to warm up the bike with reference to a full tank of petrol with a standard distance covered of 300km.

 

GUY B spend 40 minutes to warm up the bike with reference to a full tank of petrol with a standard distance covered of 300km.

 

 

with the example given, the travelling distance to work initially is different. with the 300km standard distance covered, its almost the same for a full tank but the difference in the number of start up cycles is determined hence, time taken to warm up the bike per tank is being calculated. as u can c, the difference in time will mean time spent on warming up when bike is stationary. so with longer warm up time, longer stationary time, no mileage clocked, dun they consume more petrol?

[skateboy]

Agreed.

At least we're not throwing books, chairs and what-have-yous like those Taiwanese parliament sessions....

 

 

:lol:

 

eh... singapore style, throw keyboards n mouses?

 

:lol:

[WildCard]

 

i'm not talking about different bikes. i'm referring to just GSR 400. i'm using one GSR 400 for this fuel consumption comparison. so that the condition of the engine n other parts of the bike dun varies too much from each other which in return, affects the result of the test.

 

One bike. Yes.

But now we are testing an external factor in relation to this bike.

You still can't change 2 external variables and expect a factor to produce the same result because its the same bike.

 

So a GSR with Shinco HARD tyres and a GSR with Pirelli Dragon SuperCorsa SC2 should have the same track performance on the same track, with the same rider and same weather conditions?

 

After all, its still the GSR, rite?

 

 

that is bcos Arzme use the same method of calculation as i do n u use ur method of calculation. so results differs.

 

But, wait, isn't the condition matching? The variables matching?

Same bike for each subject, same rider for each bike (mine on mine, his on his), same bike setup, same warm up time each time, only different distances travelled and, conversely, different total warm-up time and total number of warmups.

That's your calculation correct?

Let me reiterate my statements:

 

I stay in Jurong East.

I used to work at Pasir Panjang, Science Park 2 to be exact.

Total mileage back & forth is about 20km~ per trip (mostly expressway on PIE -> Clementi Ave 6 -> AYE -> NUS exit and same route back).

 

Now I work in Tampines Central.

Total mileage back and forth about 81km (mostly expressway on Bricklands Road->KJE-BKE-SLE-TPE-> exit Tampines and same route back).

 

Guess what? I still get about 230 km before reserve with minor variations in between (difference of about 3-5 kms max either way on both routes).

Considering I have more number of warm-ups and I take about the same time per warm-up (warm up until 50 degC and move off) if I were to pescribe to the calculation above. Average speed is around 90-100 km/h for both (traffic conditions on both routes demands that average).

Yes, I was on Giannellis and custom PC3 mapping on both routes.

Oh, and speedo has been calibrated via SpeedoHealer using GPS. So error factor is reduced to near-nil.

 

Isn't it the same as your requirements?

1 tank, same bike, same rider, same conditions, same average speed.

So technically, if I had fulfilled your method, why do I get the same full tank distance of 230 km at reserve?

Shouldn't I get a better range on either one, especially the one with lesser warm-up time per tank?

[WildCard]

eh... singapore style, throw keyboards n mouses?

 

:lol:

 

Donch want.

Mine is Logitech wireless mouse in the office.

 

Not cheap, ya know?...

[flareon1982]

tell me when its the finals... ahaha... I miss the rugby finals for A division...

 

and the funny thing is I semi-coached my school's rugby team... tsk tsk tsk...

 

You going to meet supersonic later? He ends his lesson at 3+/

[zeke uchiha]

From what we know, for cosmetics parts, whatever 600 can fit, 400 should also fit, do U have any pic on the magneto coil cover

 

only for the magneto coil casing the 400 is using plastic....the rest are ok..

 

here's the pic bro..

[skateboy]

One bike. Yes.

But now we are testing an external factor in relation to this bike.

You still can't change 2 external variables and expect a factor to produce the same result because its the same bike.

 

So a GSR with Shinco HARD tyres and a GSR with Pirelli Dragon SuperCorsa SC2 should have the same track performance on the same track, with the same rider and same weather conditions?

 

After all, its still the GSR, rite?

there is ONLY ONE variable that is different. n that is the distance to work. that is the affecting factor which determine the start up cycles. then we multiply the start up cycles with the 5 minute warm up time, n we get the total time taken to warm up the bike per tank of 300km standard travelling distance. its one variable affecting another variable.

 

bike condition, shd b the same. engine, tyres, pressure, all same. that is to make the test fair.

 

 

But, wait, isn't the condition matching? The variables matching?

Same bike for each subject, same rider for each bike (mine on mine, his on his), same bike setup, same warm up time each time, only different distances travelled and, conversely, different total warm-up time and total number of warmups.

That's your calculation correct?

Let me reiterate my statements:

as said, the difference in distance travelled is the affecting factor. it will determine the start up cycles n then, the total time taken to warm up the bike.

 

I stay in Jurong East.

I used to work at Pasir Panjang, Science Park 2 to be exact.

Total mileage back & forth is about 20km~ per trip (mostly expressway on PIE -> Clementi Ave 6 -> AYE -> NUS exit and same route back).

 

Now I work in Tampines Central.

Total mileage back and forth about 81km (mostly expressway on Bricklands Road->KJE-BKE-SLE-TPE-> exit Tampines and same route back).

 

Guess what? I still get about 230 km before reserve with minor variations in between (difference of about 3-5 kms max either way on both routes).

Considering I have more number of warm-ups and I take about the same time per warm-up (warm up until 50 degC and move off) if I were to pescribe to the calculation above. Average speed is around 90-100 km/h for both (traffic conditions on both routes demands that average).

Yes, I was on Giannellis and custom PC3 mapping on both routes.

Oh, and speedo has been calibrated via SpeedoHealer using GPS. So error factor is reduced to near-nil.

 

Isn't it the same as your requirements?

1 tank, same bike, same rider, same conditions, same average speed.

So technically, if I had fulfilled your method, why do I get the same full tank distance of 230 km at reserve?

Shouldn't I get a better range on either one, especially the one with lesser warm-up time per tank?

that will depends on the traffic conditions as well. cos theoritically, we can state a condition, from point A to point B with no traffic obstruction. in real world, that is impossible. so, theoritically, its possible to get the result. but practically, alot of other factors are affecting the result.

 

i have my own experience. similar to the examples i quote.

 

i stay in hougang.

work in tuas, distance is 40km. mostly highway riding but with ard 15 traffic lights n heavier traffic.

on course go changi, distance is 20km. mostly highway riding with less then 5 traffic lights n lighter traffic.

 

tuas is far, but i got lesser warm up cycles, n i got average FC of 20 - 22km/l.

changi is near, i got more warm up cycles, n i oso got average FC of 20 - 22km/l.

 

so the possible factor that affects the FC is the number of traffic lights n the density of the traffic.

[WildCard]

there is ONLY ONE variable that is different. n that is the distance to work. that is the affecting factor which determine the start up cycles. then we multiply the start up cycles with the 5 minute warm up time, n we get the total time taken to warm up the bike per tank of 300km standard travelling distance. its one variable affecting another variable.

 

bike condition, shd b the same. engine, tyres, pressure, all same. that is to make the test fair.

 

as said, the difference in distance travelled is the affecting factor. it will determine the start up cycles n then, the total time taken to warm up the bike.

 

 

One variable affecting another variable.

That's the point I'm trying to raise.

 

What magnitude the effect of the variable interaction has, we cannot measure.

 

Why not eliminate all unknowns and stick to one variable change that does not affect another variable to see the end results?

 

 

that will depends on the traffic conditions as well. cos theoritically, we can state a condition, from point A to point B with no traffic obstruction. in real world, that is impossible. so, theoritically, its possible to get the result. but practically, alot of other factors are affecting the result.

 

i have my own experience. similar to the examples i quote.

 

i stay in hougang.

work in tuas, distance is 40km. mostly highway riding but with ard 15 traffic lights n heavier traffic.

on course go changi, distance is 20km. mostly highway riding with less then 5 traffic lights n lighter traffic.

 

tuas is far, but i got lesser warm up cycles, n i got average FC of 20 - 22km/l.

changi is near, i got more warm up cycles, n i oso got average FC of 20 - 22km/l.

 

so the possible factor that affects the FC is the number of traffic lights n the density of the traffic.

 

Number of traffic lights and traffic density between the 2 different routes or between different days on same routes or different days on same routes???...

 

See what I mean?

Too many variables being introduced even more because of 2 different routes.

We would not know the magnitude.

 

So just imagine.

From your house to Tuas.

One route.

Traffic conditions would be significantly similar. Number of traffic lights would be similar.

 

My route from JE to Tampines, the riding pattern is virtually the same (I know where is smooth traffic and where the dense traffic will begin and end) unless there is a major accident along the way. But that is rare (6 months I've worked here only twice I've seen anomalies in traffic pattern due to a major accident).

 

Distance is similar.

 

Only change is either you warm-up the bike longer and shorter.

 

Alternatively, you either warm-up or you don't.

 

Single variable change at a time and does not affect all other factors except a direct change in the end-result, of which the magnitude is limited and measurable.

 

If you can replicate this test to prove your theory on time of warm-ups as well as number of warm-ups seperately can affect FC, not only me but I'll bet the entire SBF will throw their lot behind you and support it.

 

Agreed, no?

[dinie]

Power lah,any pics of the komine gloves?

 

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/296/0050020000302ww1.jpg

 

those are the gloves i bought.. they're quite good actually. but the thing with motoworld at ubi is the sizes they have are crap!

 

to sidetrack abit, since u guys are talking abt FC rite, try installing a headlight switch and switch off ur headlights leaving ur pilot lights on. do it during the day and if ur not afraid of TP like me, do it during the nite as well. my FC improved from 21km/l to almost 24km/l. and tts jus based on half a tank of fuel.. think of it as the air-con in ur car. u get better mileage if u turn off the air-con cos its a drain on the electrical system. same goes for the headlights for bikes. works for me. hopefully it works for u too. but if u get summoned by the man in white dun blame me ah. do it at ur own risk.. cheers!