"Siam" Traffic Light

[searchsoul]

Hi all,

 

I've been wondering, whether is it illegal to intentionally siam traffic light or not?

 

Let's say the junction you are approaching

1. Just turned red

2. and a green arrow pops up

3. you proceed to make a right/left turn

4. you make a legal U-turn (Single white line, like learning 3-point u turn for cars)

5. traffic light on your side now turns green

6. proceed to intended direction

 

Similarly with entering a filter lane, don't need green arrow

 

One such example of a junction I can think of is at Bras Basah road, with The Cathay on your left.

 

Other examples would be those small junctions near residential areas.

 

I witnessed my dad do it before in JB when I was a kid. But I don't see anyone doing it here leh. Must be illegal right? But technically also not what. Hor? :?

[Tachnicolour]

Hi all,

 

I've been wondering, whether is it illegal to intentionally siam traffic light or not?

 

Let's say the junction you are approaching

1. Just turned red

2. and a green arrow pops up

3. you proceed to make a right/left turn

4. you make a legal U-turn (Single white line, like learning 3-point u turn for cars)

5. traffic light on your side now turns green

6. proceed to intended direction

 

Similarly with entering a filter lane, don't need green arrow

 

One such example of a junction I can think of is at Bras Basah road, with The Cathay on your left.

 

Other examples would be those small junctions near residential areas.

 

I witnessed my dad do it before in JB when I was a kid. But I don't see anyone doing it here leh. Must be illegal right? But technically also not what. Hor? :?

 

I doubt it's illegal, though if you hold up traffic or cause a vehicle to take evasive action while performing a U-turn, you might be duly penalised.

 

It's something I see on a daily basis at a junction near my place. A string of vehicles filter left then go straight across the solid white lane divider and then exit the left filter lane, in effect going "straight".

 

Additionally, there are those who refuse to queue to make a right turn at the controlled red arrow/green arrow junction. They do the same filter left, then queue for the right turn, effecting a U-turn, with out having to queue in the right turn / U-turn pocket of the main road, which can be quite a long queue.

[sjyong]

Hi all,

 

I've been wondering, whether is it illegal to intentionally siam traffic light or not?

 

Let's say the junction you are approaching

1. Just turned red

2. and a green arrow pops up

3. you proceed to make a right/left turn

4. you make a legal U-turn (Single white line, like learning 3-point u turn for cars)

5. traffic light on your side now turns green

6. proceed to intended direction

 

Similarly with entering a filter lane, don't need green arrow

 

One such example of a junction I can think of is at Bras Basah road, with The Cathay on your left.

 

Other examples would be those small junctions near residential areas.

 

I witnessed my dad do it before in JB when I was a kid. But I don't see anyone doing it here leh. Must be illegal right? But technically also not what. Hor? :?

 

Legal right turn, legal U-turn, legal right turn again, i don't see what's illegal I do it occasionally too!

[rynariff]

I tink we cant 'Siam' in Cing-a-pore lei..

 

Regards,

 

Ryna

[chriszzz]

Of course it's legal.

 

First of all, all of your moves are legal.

 

Secondly, there's no difference between this and someone who genuinely wants to turn right/left, then changes his mind and U-turns back. Surely it's totally legal to change your mind while riding.

 

 

Hi all,

 

I've been wondering, whether is it illegal to intentionally siam traffic light or not?

 

Let's say the junction you are approaching

1. Just turned red

2. and a green arrow pops up

3. you proceed to make a right/left turn

4. you make a legal U-turn (Single white line, like learning 3-point u turn for cars)

5. traffic light on your side now turns green

6. proceed to intended direction

 

Similarly with entering a filter lane, don't need green arrow

 

One such example of a junction I can think of is at Bras Basah road, with The Cathay on your left.

 

Other examples would be those small junctions near residential areas.

 

I witnessed my dad do it before in JB when I was a kid. But I don't see anyone doing it here leh. Must be illegal right? But technically also not what. Hor? :?

[kaiq]

The scenario is right turn, then u-turn, then right turn to go back to the original direction right?

 

I read the road traffic act about u-turn. I think point 4 is not legal if there is no u-turn sign. Single white line doesn't mean you can u-turn.

 

http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/search/display/view.w3p;orderBy=date-rev,loadTime;page=0;query=Id%3Aefeb7108-5d26-40f8-958a-7e1cb7fcc38e;rec=0

 

Quote:

"

No vehicle to make U-turn at road intersection or junction

 

13.—(1) No driver or rider of any vehicle shall make a U-turn at any road intersection, road junction or opening in a road divider unless he is permitted to do so by a road sign.

 

(2) A driver or rider of any vehicle making a U-turn under paragraph (1) shall —

(a) move as near as possible to the right-hand edge of the roadway;

(b) give way to any on-coming vehicle; and

© wait for a safe opportunity to complete the turn.

 

(3) A driver or rider of any vehicle making a U-turn under this rule shall do so after the U-turn sign.

"

[chriszzz]

Ah yes, you are right, if there was no UTurn sign, then the uturn was illegal. But TS has indicated in his remarks that the uturn he made was legal, although legal uturns shouldn't be through a single white line.

 

Let's see if he has more details.

 

 

The scenario is right turn, then u-turn, then right turn to go back to the original direction right?

 

I read the road traffic act about u-turn. I think point 4 is not legal if there is no u-turn sign. Single white line doesn't mean you can u-turn.

 

http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/search/display/view.w3p;orderBy=date-rev,loadTime;page=0;query=Id%3Aefeb7108-5d26-40f8-958a-7e1cb7fcc38e;rec=0

 

Quote:

"

No vehicle to make U-turn at road intersection or junction

 

13.—(1) No driver or rider of any vehicle shall make a U-turn at any road intersection, road junction or opening in a road divider unless he is permitted to do so by a road sign.

 

(2) A driver or rider of any vehicle making a U-turn under paragraph (1) shall —

(a) move as near as possible to the right-hand edge of the roadway;

(b) give way to any on-coming vehicle; and

© wait for a safe opportunity to complete the turn.

 

(3) A driver or rider of any vehicle making a U-turn under this rule shall do so after the U-turn sign.

"

[Tachnicolour]

The scenario is right turn, then u-turn, then right turn to go back to the original direction right?

 

I read the road traffic act about u-turn. I think point 4 is not legal if there is no u-turn sign. Single white line doesn't mean you can u-turn.

 

http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/search/display/view.w3p;orderBy=date-rev,loadTime;page=0;query=Id%3Aefeb7108-5d26-40f8-958a-7e1cb7fcc38e;rec=0

 

Quote:

"

No vehicle to make U-turn at road intersection or junction

 

13.—(1) No driver or rider of any vehicle shall make a U-turn at any road intersection, road junction or opening in a road divider unless he is permitted to do so by a road sign.

 

(2) A driver or rider of any vehicle making a U-turn under paragraph (1) shall —

(a) move as near as possible to the right-hand edge of the roadway;

(b) give way to any on-coming vehicle; and

© wait for a safe opportunity to complete the turn.

 

(3) A driver or rider of any vehicle making a U-turn under this rule shall do so after the U-turn sign.

"

 

That's an interesting point. Though it does state junction / intersection. Assuming the single white line is not at either of the above, it leaves us with how to interpret "opening in a road divider".

 

1) Opening in road divider e.g. those that allow vehicles to make a right turn to access a minor road, and to allow vehicles allowing a minor road to turn right when entering the main road?

 

2) The long long long long long long long long long long long long single white line after a road divider to the next road divider far far far away.

 

That RTA segment only applies to the road intersection / junctions themselves.

 

Won't the single white line AFTER the junction be fair game for u-turn?

[kaiq]

Different countries probably have different practices about the single white line. Can't find much from sg garmen sites, so here's one from the internet (probably for India):

 

Notice it say you cannot overtake or u-turn, but may turn right to enter small lane.

 

http://www.slideshare.net/BimalChandraDas/how-safe-you-are-on-road-by-b-c-das

[kaiq]

Finally found something more relevent to local context - highway code.

 

http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/download/0/0/pdf/binaryFile/pdfFile.pdf?CompId:5c5fb565-237d-4542-ad9f-520c589c1587

"

53. Never cross double white lines. Making a U-turn or a right turn

is not allowed on a road where such lines are painted.

54. Never cross a single continuous or broken white line along the

middle of the road unless you can see that the road ahead is clear.

"

 

Since it didn't says no u-turn, you "probably" can do it provided it's safe.

 

BUT...

 

http://driving-in-singapore.spf.gov.sg/services/driving_in_singapore/services/dips.html

 

LIST OF SCHEDULED OFFENCES UNDER DIPS, no. 22

Crossing road divider = 4 demerit points

 

Seriously, I am confused...

[Tachnicolour]

I think in the Greater scheme of things, road divider probably means a physical barrier, e.g. Curb, grass medium, etc. A white line might not be counted as one.

[wait4me]

maybe they ask did u see a U - turn sign ?

 

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