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[SC Gaban]

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http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/305250-New-high-end-2b-bike-KTM-125-Duke?p=6795072#post6795072

 

incredible, how on earth can the bike stick to the wall like dat?o_Oo_O

[arthur_chan]

sorri tot today wednesday lol.

 

haha

no need only wed then can meet mah

but saying so i can't make it

haha

 

yea, can meet anytime whoever's avail. Gennosukes, feel free to organize, but dont know on short notice if most can make it. I can meet u if u want.

[arthur_chan]

incredible, how on earth can the bike stick to the wall like dat?o_Oo_O

 

there should be support hinges behind the wall holding it up.

[SC Gaban]

Nope only watch gundam wing/seed/destiny/00. waiting for 00 movie to release in the market. any similar anime to recommend?

 

if u are not tied to a specific genre, just pick any anime from animenewsnetwork.com

[alvinyansg]

Guys' date=' I'm trying to do something and I've been at it for days so I'm this close to loosing my mind over it , I would appreciate if someone could look into this and tell me what they think is the problem:

 

I decided to isolate my "accessories" from the battery by using the below diagram: (the thing in the middle is a relay, the thing on the right is a distribution block)

 

http://bolty.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/distribution_block_wiring_diagram.png

 

The benefits of this are:

- not cramp the battery terminal with tons of wires

- Once you add alarm +horn+lights + whatever, that's it you're already running out of space on the terminals and it gets messy everywhere

- this allows you to plug as many accessories as you want (of course within electrical system power range etc..) and these accessories will be turned on only when the ignition is ON or engine ON. It's easy to plug things in, you don't have to go and fish for headlight or tail wires or ignition wires every time you want to add something to your bike.

 

 

I have followed exactly the diagram above, and plugged a set of Bikevis bullets as accessory. It doesn't work. I have no idea why.

 

Here's the diagram for the bullets and podmod :

 

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2713/podmodbullets.png

 

At first I used the license plate light as low power switch source. (brown and blue cable in the first diagram) : Not working, the lights won't turn on.

Then I used the tail light - not working. The bullets don't light up neither.

here's the tests I did to troubleshoot:

When I connect the bullets to the battery directly: they work.

I tested the continuity on ALL the wires used in the diagram: all check OK

I tested the voltage as follows :

- Relay Pin 30 to battery NEG : 12+V

- Relay Pin 85 to Battery POS: 12+V

- Distribution block NEG to Distribution block POS: 300 mV (why is that ? what does it mean?)

 

This is an image of where I tapped to get the switched power source from the tail light:

 

You can see I tried first the license plate light but since it wasn't working I tried the tail light blue wire instead. Both not lighting up the bullets. I knew the blue wire was the right one beacause my alarm is tapped into it and I tested the polarity and it's a positive wire.

 

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1367/taillight.jpg

 

Can you help me understand what is not right ?

I checked and double checked the relay's connections, everything is plugged according to the diagram.

What test can I do to understand where the problem comes from ? What am I missing ?

 

try not connecting to the battery 1st

connect your power source to a switched circuit and try if it works

if it works it might be your power source is not going the right places in the relay

[mfk74]

Hi peeps, just realise that my bike does not have a tool set ..where I can purchase it ? How much roughly?

[alvinyansg]

Hi peeps, just realise that my bike does not have a tool set ..where I can purchase it ? How much roughly?

 

under your seat don't have?

the things inside your tools kit can be bought outside

but if you want can try see if UM got sell the original bajaj set

[ORen]

oh yea my mistake, forgot it's suppose from + to - or vice versa.

have u tested 87 to -?

 

Yes gives me the right voltage !

 

edit1: i think i understand, the relay down sized the incoming volt, i think u havent connect 86?

 

yes I connected 86. I did exactly what the diagram states.

 

by looking at the diagram, i still dont know the internal makeup of the relay or what the "low power source" means. rightfully u can connect 86 to the + of battery and see what happens, however there's a risk as it's stated "low power" so it might blow, however from lights are also 12v, so up to u if u want to try. btw 300mV = 0.3V, so that barely powers up anything. from the acc + to -, u should get 12V, same as incoming.

 

Why would you want to connect the 86 to the + ? I already have a line to the +, protected by a fuse.

Thanks for the mV conversion, but I figured that one out And that's why I asked what it meant, it surprises me !

 

How i wish I had some electrical genius close by to answer my questions. This is driving me absolutely nuts. I have been googling and reading TONS of forums and articles and i can;t find what is wrong with my wiring. The most frustrating part is I keep bumping into posts of people who did it JUST LIKE THIS and it works. So I know I am missing something. Something I don't know, some electrical rule or something.

 

try not connecting to the battery 1st

connect your power source to a switched circuit and try if it works

if it works it might be your power source is not going the right places in the relay

 

I don't understand. Why not connect it to the battery ? (guys, when you try to help, explain yourselves.. your answers are even more cryptic than the problem at hand..)

 

What do you mean by "connect your power source to a switched circuit" what power source? The battery ? Why would I connect the battery to the tail light wire (my switched circuit) ? Isn't that dangerous ? Besides, if the voltage between the battery plus and the relay negative is the right voltage, doesn't that prove that the relay is getting what it needs in the right place like you say ?

[mfk74]

under your seat don't have?

the things inside your tools kit can be bought outside

but if you want can try see if UM got sell the original bajaj set

 

Nope..don't hv ....maybe drop by UM to chk it out..thks bro

[ORen]

Nope..don't hv ....maybe drop by UM to chk it out..thks bro

 

It's on the seat underneath, not on the bike. Meaning you take out the pillion seat and flip it over and look. I wouldn't suggest you spend too much time or money on the kit: How many of us have used it on the road ? You will be mostly doing repairs or DIY stuff at home anyway or at a bike shop so these two places have tools. Plus, the kit itself is basically a screwdriver, a wrench tool to open most of the bolts (size 13 if I'm not mistaken but don't take my word for it) and some things i don't even know what they are for. So you might already have all that at home, or a friend can land them to you if there's anything you need to do on the bike.

 

mostly you need the bolts wrench and the screw driver : these too will open anything on the bike , from the tank bolt to the rear seat handle bars or the headlight assembly ! If you don't have any tools, suggest you head to Mustapha or FIX HOME shop and get yourself a screw driver and the right wrench thingy for cheap You can always strap them back underneath the pillion seat if you want to always have them on the bike.

[alvinyansg]

Yes gives me the right voltage !

 

 

 

yes I connected 86. I did exactly what the diagram states.

 

 

 

Why would you want to connect the 86 to the + ? I already have a line to the +, protected by a fuse.

Thanks for the mV conversion, but I figured that one out And that's why I asked what it meant, it surprises me !

 

How i wish I had some electrical genius close by to answer my questions. This is driving me absolutely nuts. I have been googling and reading TONS of forums and articles and i can;t find what is wrong with my wiring. The most frustrating part is I keep bumping into posts of people who did it JUST LIKE THIS and it works. So I know I am missing something. Something I don't know, some electrical rule or something.

 

 

 

I don't understand. Why not connect it to the battery ? (guys, when you try to help, explain yourselves.. your answers are even more cryptic than the problem at hand..)

 

What do you mean by "connect your power source to a switched circuit" what power source? The battery ? Why would I connect the battery to the tail light wire (my switched circuit) ? Isn't that dangerous ? Besides, if the voltage between the battery plus and the relay negative is the right voltage, doesn't that prove that the relay is getting what it needs in the right place like you say ?

 

 

what i meant is that you take out the relay part 1st

and connect as what is in the bike vis diagram

what i meant by switched circuit is the circuit will have power when you on your ignition

with this you will know that with this connection the whole system is working

this will isolate the problem to the relay

if you tap straight to the battery the lights will permanently be on

also you want to know what type of relay you got there

what is the purpose of the relay

to combine 3 inlet to 1 outlet? to reduce the voltage coming out? etc

relays have different purpose

Edited November 18, 2010 by alvinyansg

[ORen]

what i meant is that you take out the relay part 1st

and connect as what is in the bike vis diagram

what i meant by switched circuit is the circuit will have power when you on your ignition

with this you will know that with this connection the whole system is working

this will isolate the problem to the relay

if you tap straight to the battery the lights will permanently be on

also you want to know what type of relay you got there

what is the purpose of the relay

to combine 3 inlet to 1 outlet? to reduce the voltage coming out? etc

relays have different purpose

 

Didn't try that yet because it would mean change the connectors to something I can touch/plug to the battery..

The relay's purpose is to reduce the voltage yes but also will open and close the connection to the accessories to prevent damage or battery drainage, making the bikes accessories ‘switchable'. Basically the incoming blue wire actions the relay's switch when the bike starter is ON.

It's a classic regular automotive relay, 12V 30A. Bloddy brand new so if that's what's faulty I'm even unluckier than I thought...

 

But now that I think of it, i assumed the pins would be as in the diagram :

 

* Pin 85: Switch

* Pin 86: Ground

* Pin 87: Switched Power Out

* Pin 30: Power In

 

But maybe my relay doesn't work like this.. maybe some pins are reversed or something...

[alvinyansg]

Didn't try that yet because it would mean change the connectors to something I can touch/plug to the battery..

The relay's purpose is to reduce the voltage yes but also will open and close the connection to the accessories to prevent damage or battery drainage, making the bikes accessories ‘switchable'. Basically the incoming blue wire actions the relay's switch when the bike starter is ON.

It's a classic regular automotive relay, 12V 30A. Bloddy brand new so if that's what's faulty I'm even unluckier than I thought...

 

But now that I think of it, i assumed the pins would be as in the diagram :

 

* Pin 85: Switch

* Pin 86: Ground

* Pin 87: Switched Power Out

* Pin 30: Power In

 

But maybe my relay doesn't work like this.. maybe some pins are reversed or something...

 

on the relay should have a basic wiring diagram

maybe you try out without the relay 1st then if it works fine it then the problem should lie with the relay

have to spend some time to slowly isolate each individual component to find the fault

[ORen]

the diagram on the relay is like the relay in this :

 

http://www.breyn.com/vn750/bikepics/tech/airhorns/NEWHORN.GIF

 

I connected the bullet directly to the switch power line (license plate wire) and to the ground : it works

I connected to the end of my "blue" wire as in the original diagram, the wire that would go to the relay after tapping into the switched power source: it works.

My fuse line coming from the battery is continuous.

Anything I test at the ditribution block, gives me continuity.

 

So now the relay is left.

I read that it doesn't matter if you reverse ground and switch pins '(85 and 86), as well as it doesn't matter if you reverse battery + and output + (30 and 87).

SO I did that : in one case the relay emits a continuous buzz hat makes it vibrate when the switched power source is on, it the other, it doesn't make any sound.

But in both cases, the lights don't go ON.

 

I tried with another relay, same model, just another piece.

Still doesn't work.

 

The only thing I have not done is connect the output on the 87A pin because I read that shouldn't be used in this application. I'm going to test both 87 pins with the ohmmeter, the 87 and 87A to see if they are both opening or closing the relay circuit..

 

I'm going mad seriously...tomorrow I'll go buy another relay from another brand/model whatever. I do not know what else to do...

Edited November 18, 2010 by O'Ren

[ORen]

I tested the relay.

The 87A pin is the closed circuit, meaning the switch inside the relay is on 87A when not hot. And when the relay has power, the coil inside the relay is putting the inside switch to pin 87. So it is right to say that pin 87 should be the output pin ?

Because when the relay is connected to the battery, immediately the pin 30 gets 12V and activate the relay's switch, closing the circuit through pin 87. Put my lights are hooked to the switched power line. So when I turn on the ignition and the switched power line is activated, does it send the relay's switch back to pin 87A ?

:confused::confused::confused:

[phoenon]

Hi fellow pulsarians,

 

Been riding my pulsar 200 for 2 yrs plus now and it hasn't given me too much problems... am very happy with the bike..

 

Recently however, the speedometer box inside the head ferring seem to have collapsed! was wondering whether any pulsarians have encoutered this before? and how much would it cost to repair or replace it?

 

Having loaded myself with a little bit of vitamin M, i feel that i should do a full service of my bike. for the past 2 yrs, the only things that i have replaced is the regular engine oil change and the chain and sprocket. any idea what else i should be looking to replace? i know that my tyres badly need to be replaced, but what about the rear suspension, or the brake fluid, or even the spark plugs? plus, besides UM, is there any other shops which do servicing for bajaj bikes? any expert opinions here would be gladly appreciated...

 

Also, i read in the bajaj thread that there was a session where hazard lights were fixed for pulsar bikes? is it still available to be done? would be really interested to get some hazard lights for my pulsar bike, as it would add a brilliant safety feature...

 

Thanks again for any opinions and kudos to all for having such a wonderful thread!

[harumonia]

I'm going mad seriously...tomorrow I'll go buy another relay from another brand/model whatever. I do not know what else to do...

 

Wish I could help but I can't read a circuit board to save my life.

[speedaddict]

JB tonight anyone? might be going with gaban. eat, pump, shop, window shop @ some bazaar.

[arthur_chan]

I tested the relay.

The 87A pin is the closed circuit, meaning the switch inside the relay is on 87A when not hot. And when the relay has power, the coil inside the relay is putting the inside switch to pin 87. So it is right to say that pin 87 should be the output pin ?

Because when the relay is connected to the battery, immediately the pin 30 gets 12V and activate the relay's switch, closing the circuit through pin 87. Put my lights are hooked to the switched power line. So when I turn on the ignition and the switched power line is activated, does it send the relay's switch back to pin 87A ?

:confused::confused::confused:

 

dear o'ren,

i believe what u're having is some sort of 'switching relay', which mean 87 is suppose to activate the current btw 30 & 87. the reason why i suggest 87 to + of battery is to check if the relay is spoilt, but the problem might not lie there.

another possible problem which is the ac/dc u mentioned. i suspected the lighting cable which u took from is ac but ur setup is dc, thus unable to 'switch' the relay on. what i would suggest is to test the volt btw the positive lic plate wire to neg of batt and/or to neg lic plate wire. this will enable u to determine the strength of the 'low power source' u're tapping.

the way i look at the relay diagram, it seems incomplete, cos if u're tapping a pos of lic plate, then where does the neg of the current goes? if the above is true, then it prob would be impossible to 'on' the relay, thus needing to find another source to tap from.

it's best if u can post a pic & possible a schematic of the relay u're using. that would be more accurate.

here's another website i found for wiring a relay:

http://www.r1200gs.info/howto/relay.html

note that 1 & 2 goes from ur pos to neg of ur 'power source' in which case ur lic plate lights.

[anodise57]

Didn't try that yet because it would mean change the connectors to something I can touch/plug to the battery..

The relay's purpose is to reduce the voltage yes but also will open and close the connection to the accessories to prevent damage or battery drainage, making the bikes accessories ‘switchable'. Basically the incoming blue wire actions the relay's switch when the bike starter is ON.

It's a classic regular automotive relay, 12V 30A. Bloddy brand new so if that's what's faulty I'm even unluckier than I thought...

 

But now that I think of it, i assumed the pins would be as in the diagram :

 

* Pin 85: Switch

* Pin 86: Ground

* Pin 87: Switched Power Out

* Pin 30: Power In

 

But maybe my relay doesn't work like this.. maybe some pins are reversed or something...

 

 

once ur 65 & 86 is "closed" u should hear a click sound... if not sound , u might wanna change the relay ^_^

[fircyber]

JB tonight anyone? might be going with gaban. eat, pump, shop, window shop @ some bazaar.

 

Wat time.....I be joining u guy for eat n pump if b4 9pm....msg me @ 84284556

[fircyber]

Hi fellow pulsarians,

 

Been riding my pulsar 200 for 2 yrs plus now and it hasn't given me too much problems... am very happy with the bike..

 

Recently however, the speedometer box inside the head ferring seem to have collapsed! was wondering whether any pulsarians have encoutered this before? and how much would it cost to repair or replace it?

 

Having loaded myself with a little bit of vitamin M, i feel that i should do a full service of my bike. for the past 2 yrs, the only things that i have replaced is the regular engine oil change and the chain and sprocket. any idea what else i should be looking to replace? i know that my tyres badly need to be replaced, but what about the rear suspension, or the brake fluid, or even the spark plugs? plus, besides UM, is there any other shops which do servicing for bajaj bikes? any expert opinions here would be gladly appreciated...

 

Also, i read in the bajaj thread that there was a session where hazard lights were fixed for pulsar bikes? is it still available to be done? would be really interested to get some hazard lights for my pulsar bike, as it would add a brilliant safety feature...

 

Thanks again for any opinions and kudos to all for having such a wonderful thread!

 

Hazard light session will be on 28 nov @ 2pm. Meeting point will be @ carpark opp ahboy. Can refer back to previous post on hazard light diy few pages back n thing to get for the hazard lit diy.

[ORen]

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[ORen]

Hi fellow pulsarians,

 

Been riding my pulsar 200 for 2 yrs plus now and it hasn't given me too much problems... am very happy with the bike..

 

Recently however, the speedometer box inside the head ferring seem to have collapsed! was wondering whether any pulsarians have encoutered this before? and how much would it cost to repair or replace it?

 

Having loaded myself with a little bit of vitamin M, i feel that i should do a full service of my bike. for the past 2 yrs, the only things that i have replaced is the regular engine oil change and the chain and sprocket. any idea what else i should be looking to replace? i know that my tyres badly need to be replaced, but what about the rear suspension, or the brake fluid, or even the spark plugs? plus, besides UM, is there any other shops which do servicing for bajaj bikes? any expert opinions here would be gladly appreciated...

 

Also, i read in the bajaj thread that there was a session where hazard lights were fixed for pulsar bikes? is it still available to be done? would be really interested to get some hazard lights for my pulsar bike, as it would add a brilliant safety feature...

 

Thanks again for any opinions and kudos to all for having such a wonderful thread!

 

Hi and welcome back

 

Here's scans from our manual, showing you the regular servicing that is recommended on the bike. it will depend not only on how old the bike is but also how much km it did.

I am also putting the specs in case you need references to change something.

 

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7061/servicing.png

 

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8610/servicing2.png

 

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/7615/specsz.png

 

The obvious is like you mentioned the tyres - hope you are not using the stock ones,are you? - and the brakes (yopu did change your brake pads yeah ? ), fluid definitely needs changing after 2 years.

 

Depending on your number of Kms the bike has been doing you might want to do a thorough check of the engine too. Just to see if there isn't any tearing or rust o anything like that inside.

 

I would only recommend UM to you: for such important servicing, where you want the mechanic to know what they are looking for and what they are doing to the bike, and where you want to be reassured the bike is ready to serve you again for another 2 years with minimal worries on your part, then it's a no brainer, you need to head to UM. Plus, they can advise you on your speedo and if it needs changing, do it with everything else which will come cheaper.

 

Your clutch cable probably needs attention too and the gears might also need to be looked at. The air filter i suppose is checked at each regular servicing when you change the oil - if not, that needs attention too.

 

For the Hazard Lights, there's a session this Sunday afternoon : go back a couple of pages in this thread you will find the post about it, just add your name and post it again so Alvin knows you're coming.

 

 

Wish I could help but I can't read a circuit board to save my life.

 

no worries, thanks

[arthur_chan]

Recently however, the speedometer box inside the head ferring seem to have collapsed! was wondering whether any pulsarians have encoutered this before? and how much would it cost to repair or replace it?

prob a screw or 2 loose, dont think there's much issue if everything else is working fine, just that there's the trouble of stripping the fairing to adjust back the speedo.

 

Having loaded myself with a little bit of vitamin M, i feel that i should do a full service of my bike. for the past 2 yrs, the only things that i have replaced is the regular engine oil change and the chain and sprocket. any idea what else i should be looking to replace? i know that my tyres badly need to be replaced, but what about the rear suspension, or the brake fluid, or even the spark plugs? plus, besides UM, is there any other shops which do servicing for bajaj bikes? any expert opinions here would be gladly appreciated...

u'be rinding 2yr n never changed ur stock tyre? really wonder how long u've travelled, imo type are the most important on the road, so consider doing it asap if it's going bo tak.

it comes with another susprise 2yr u never changed ur spark plug. those are essential items to replace, although not as common as engine oil.

for brake fluid, if it never clog and up to optimum level, dont worry about them. so are ur suspension.

another item i prob would look @ is washing carburator. prob ur diaphram needs a change too.

other than tyre and spark plug which u can get from almost anywhere, even jb, servicing i would still advise going back to UM.

 

 

Also, i read in the bajaj thread that there was a session where hazard lights were fixed for pulsar bikes? is it still available to be done? would be really interested to get some hazard lights for my pulsar bike, as it would add a brilliant safety feature...

its on 28nov, u can find it in a few page back, all the necessary info and things to get are there also.