Daelim roadwin r 125

[seany]

i think i saw @seany bike opposite bukit batok ite there.. the car park there..

 

i've never been to bukit batok ite before

[ramsnake]

i used to travel along lornie road > PIE > BKE > KJE and my fuel comsumption is better then what im currently getting travelling along CTE. Even a 5-10mins on CTE ride burns more petrol as i open and close throttle more often, and also due to repeated hard brakings along the journey.

 

it boils down on how are your pull your throttle when you wanna speed up.

 

you're missing the point, bro

[ramsnake]

1) not everyone rides the way you do

2) rwr is already a high rev bike to start with

3) aerodynamics do not much a significant difference for the range of speed that the rwr can attain

4) SIN-KL is 380km not 320km. 400km by the time you reach city centre

5) since when is nsh not a "flat road" albeit for some minor upslopes

 

 

Sometimes I’m not quite sure if you guys are just arguing for the sake of it… LOL

 

1) not everyone rides the way you do

Someone once said to me: “bikers are rebels”. “Huh?” I said in response. He went on to explain that bikers are inherently rebels because we want to ride something that has a natural tendency to fall on its side. Thus, given the opportunity, the rebel in bikers always wants to come out and “play”, so to speak. That made sense after awhile.

 

I’ve also had the good opportunity to see that this is true. On any given Friday or Saturday night you’ll find lots of bikers crossing the 2nd Link. Once they get pass the Sillypore checkpoint, it’s like jailbreak time. Free of the 90km/h speed limits, they invariably open the throttle at every opportunity.

 

Mind you we’re not talking about silly speeds here. Although one Busa rider doing 300km/h while playing tag with a sports car on the NS Highway comes to mind, but that’s a story for another day.

 

2) rwr is already a high rev bike to start with

Sure it is but how often and for how many minutes at a stretch do you ride at 10k+ RPMs in Sillypore?

 

I was making a point about fuel consumption on long distance riding vs riding in Singapore and I just chose SIN-KL to illustrate.

 

To put things into perspective, if your 2A bike can do 120km/h and the speed limit is 110km/h, you would invariably be doing at least 115km/h. That would put the RPM in the 10k+ range for those on stock rear sprockets.

 

Thus, if you were travelling to KL, would you be riding at 90km/h (ECP/TPE/AYE limit is 90km/h) or 70km/h (KJE limit) at least 85% of the journey? (Why 85%? See explanation below on how to achieve 380km range on one full tank.)

 

With the exception of slowing down when entering or exiting rest stops, my guess is that most of us would at least try to maintain 115km/h for most of the journey. In other words, for most of the journey your engine RPM would be in the 10k+ range.

 

Still think you can get to KL on one full tank? Oh, btw let’s just use 320km. It is shorter distance than your estimation of 400km.

 

3) aerodynamics do not much a significant difference for the range of speed that the rwr can attain

Really? Go ask other riders if aerodynamics make a difference when comparing average speeds of 8okm/h and 115km/h. Oh, just be sure to ask those more experienced riders ok?

 

4) SIN-KL is 380km not 320km. 400km by the time you reach city centre

It is for me. Most people riding to KL would take the 2nd Link in order to avoid the JB city traffic. Most people also fill up their tanks at Gelang Patah. Fortunately for me, my destination in KL is just 5km away from the Sungei Besi toll. That would put it about 320km. In fact it’s a bit less but hey, who is counting?

 

The POINT is that fuel consumption on long distance riding would be more than riding in Singapore under those conditions that allowed munkit to achieve 390km on 12 litres of petrol.

 

5) since when is nsh not a "flat road" albeit for some minor upslopes

Minor? I don’t have my topographic map handy with me but that stretch about 50km after Kulai leading onto Machap and Pagoh certainly isn’t a minor upslope by any standard. It is certainly higher than that hill they can a Mount in Sillypore! Oh, did you know that Greater KL is also referred to as the Klang Valley? Hmm... what's a valley?

 

 

 

I have personally achieved about 380km on a full tank a couple of times. This was a deliberate attempt to see what is the “best” consumption I can manage. With that in mind, I made a conscious effort not to rev the bike too hard and to generally take it easy. That meant changing gears at no more than 7500 RPM. Most of the time gear changes were made at about 6k RPM. As we all own the same bike, I’m sure you can test this out for yourselves. Compare this to the scenario of the typical ride to KL I’ve illustrated above.

 

Those who still think you can travel to KL on one full tank, all I can say is “All the Best!”

[iceimmortal]

i've never been to bukit batok ite before

 

oh.. like tat must be another guy with the same as bike as your sig.. btw where u stay ar? i wan go hear the exhaust live can? >.

[bloodychamp]

you're missing the point, bro

 

my apologies on how i phrase my sentences. X=

 

what i meant was moving at a constand speed provides better milage then to open and close throttle most of the time.

[ramsnake]

my apologies on how i phrase my sentences. X=

no worries

 

what i meant was moving at a constand speed provides better milage then to open and close throttle most of the time.

but still missing the point. it all depends on what constant speed you are doing right? Is consumption the same when doing constant speeds of 70kmh and 115kmh?

[bloodychamp]

no worries

 

 

but still missing the point. it all depends on what constant speed you are doing right? Is consumption the same when doing constant speeds of 70kmh and 115kmh?

 

use to do 120km/h everyday and still get an avg fuel comsumption of 32-35km/l.

 

now im doing 90-100km/h and getting an avg of 29-30km/l with my injector head recently cleaned.

[foxin]

?!

So moral of the story is to whack more?

[munkit]

had the worst ride today in the morning..

 

was riding along AYE towards city.. in the middle of lane 1 & 2.. going up slope.. den i saw a car wanna change lane from 2 to 1 with signal on.. i slow down about 4 cars away.. den i tink he cant do it n moved back to lane 2.. so i speed up in order not to lose speed.. who know out of a sudden he cut out and chg to lane one.. damn motherfooker la.. i e-brake n i fish-tailed!!! i have my GF behind me lor.. haiz.. not being racist, but he is an indian.. ( only applied to that DRIVER!!!) smell of tyre burning... ;(

 

den at stevens road.. saw a RWR fellow rider behind me.. was so happy.. den i tried to stop behind a car instead of moving to the front line, thinking that i'm able to have a little chat with him.. who knows he ride all the way to the front..

wanna ask him whether he is on the forum or not.. but too bad la.. quite young rider.. ( FBE 1**5 )

 

wishing all riders u will have a safe journey n great day ahead!!! T.G.I.F!!!!!

[bloodychamp]

had the worst ride today in the morning..

 

was riding along AYE towards city.. in the middle of lane 1 & 2.. going up slope.. den i saw a car wanna change lane from 2 to 1 with signal on.. i slow down about 4 cars away.. den i tink he cant do it n moved back to lane 2.. so i speed up in order not to lose speed.. who know out of a sudden he cut out and chg to lane one.. damn motherfooker la.. i e-brake n i fish-tailed!!! i have my GF behind me lor.. haiz.. not being racist, but he is an indian.. ( only applied to that DRIVER!!!) smell of tyre burning... ;(

 

den at stevens road.. saw a RWR fellow rider behind me.. was so happy.. den i tried to stop behind a car instead of moving to the front line, thinking that i'm able to have a little chat with him.. who knows he ride all the way to the front..

wanna ask him whether he is on the forum or not.. but too bad la.. quite young rider.. ( FBE 1**5 )

 

wishing all riders u will have a safe journey n great day ahead!!! T.G.I.F!!!!!

 

where are you working?

 

btw CTE this morning was JAM PACk.... machiam monday morning rush hour....

[munkit]

where are you working?

 

btw CTE this morning was JAM PACk.... machiam monday morning rush hour....

 

i was jus fetching my gal to work at orchard.. i work at night de.. at clarke quay.. so in the morning i will fetch her to work den come home slp!!!

[seany]

Sometimes I’m not quite sure if you guys are just arguing for the sake of it… LOL

 

1) not everyone rides the way you do

Someone once said to me: “bikers are rebels”. “Huh?” I said in response. He went on to explain that bikers are inherently rebels because we want to ride something that has a natural tendency to fall on its side. Thus, given the opportunity, the rebel in bikers always wants to come out and “play”, so to speak. That made sense after awhile.

 

I’ve also had the good opportunity to see that this is true. On any given Friday or Saturday night you’ll find lots of bikers crossing the 2nd Link. Once they get pass the Sillypore checkpoint, it’s like jailbreak time. Free of the 90km/h speed limits, they invariably open the throttle at every opportunity.

 

Mind you we’re not talking about silly speeds here. Although one Busa rider doing 300km/h while playing tag with a sports car on the NS Highway comes to mind, but that’s a story for another day.

 

2) rwr is already a high rev bike to start with

Sure it is but how often and for how many minutes at a stretch do you ride at 10k+ RPMs in Sillypore?

 

I was making a point about fuel consumption on long distance riding vs riding in Singapore and I just chose SIN-KL to illustrate.

 

To put things into perspective, if your 2A bike can do 120km/h and the speed limit is 110km/h, you would invariably be doing at least 115km/h. That would put the RPM in the 10k+ range for those on stock rear sprockets.

 

Thus, if you were travelling to KL, would you be riding at 90km/h (ECP/TPE/AYE limit is 90km/h) or 70km/h (KJE limit) at least 85% of the journey? (Why 85%? See explanation below on how to achieve 380km range on one full tank.)

 

With the exception of slowing down when entering or exiting rest stops, my guess is that most of us would at least try to maintain 115km/h for most of the journey. In other words, for most of the journey your engine RPM would be in the 10k+ range.

 

Still think you can get to KL on one full tank? Oh, btw let’s just use 320km. It is shorter distance than your estimation of 400km.

 

3) aerodynamics do not much a significant difference for the range of speed that the rwr can attain

Really? Go ask other riders if aerodynamics make a difference when comparing average speeds of 8okm/h and 115km/h. Oh, just be sure to ask those more experienced riders ok?

 

4) SIN-KL is 380km not 320km. 400km by the time you reach city centre

It is for me. Most people riding to KL would take the 2nd Link in order to avoid the JB city traffic. Most people also fill up their tanks at Gelang Patah. Fortunately for me, my destination in KL is just 5km away from the Sungei Besi toll. That would put it about 320km. In fact it’s a bit less but hey, who is counting?

 

The POINT is that fuel consumption on long distance riding would be more than riding in Singapore under those conditions that allowed munkit to achieve 390km on 12 litres of petrol.

 

5) since when is nsh not a "flat road" albeit for some minor upslopes

Minor? I don’t have my topographic map handy with me but that stretch about 50km after Kulai leading onto Machap and Pagoh certainly isn’t a minor upslope by any standard. It is certainly higher than that hill they can a Mount in Sillypore! Oh, did you know that Greater KL is also referred to as the Klang Valley? Hmm... what's a valley?

 

 

 

I have personally achieved about 380km on a full tank a couple of times. This was a deliberate attempt to see what is the “best” consumption I can manage. With that in mind, I made a conscious effort not to rev the bike too hard and to generally take it easy. That meant changing gears at no more than 7500 RPM. Most of the time gear changes were made at about 6k RPM. As we all own the same bike, I’m sure you can test this out for yourselves. Compare this to the scenario of the typical ride to KL I’ve illustrated above.

 

Those who still think you can travel to KL on one full tank, all I can say is “All the Best!”

 

i didnt say anything about going to KL on one tank, nor am i arguing for the sake of arguing

im pointing out to you not everything you say is right

 

on 2nd thoughts, whatever

just go ahead misleading the new riders here

not like i come in to this forum often anyway

Edited July 15, 2011 by seany

[foxin]

i was jus fetching my gal to work at orchard.. i work at night de.. at clarke quay.. so in the morning i will fetch her to work den come home slp!!!

 

wow.. Thats.. quite a sacrifice. :/

 

Anyway.. anything on this coming friday?

[guiderer]

wow.. Thats.. quite a sacrifice. :/

 

Anyway.. anything on this coming friday?

 

are u asking about 15th or 22nd? asking abt 'coming friday' on a friday is misleading! hahaha

as far as i know, nothing on tonite.

[ramsnake]

i didnt say anything about going to KL on one tank, nor am i arguing for the sake of arguing

im pointing out to you not everything you say is right

 

on 2nd thoughts, whatever

just go ahead misleading the new riders here

not like i come in to this forum often anyway

 

 

Sigh… I think this thread is cursed! Just as we thought we’ve gotten rid of one guy who loves to talk nonsense, here comes another.

 

I find it really odd for someone to claim that he “didn’t say anything about going to KL on one tank” when he had clearly replied to my post about riding to KL and questioned my conclusions. Read that reply here

 

In fact, I had clearly advised munkit “don’t expect to be able to ride all the way to KL on one full tank just because you can cover 390km in Sillypore.” before this nonsensical person chose to butt in. (see my post here)

As I had been talking about riding to KL on one tank all along, how can he now say “[he] didnt say anything about going to KL on one tank”?!!

 

Even after I had posted an explanation on why riding over longer distances in Malaysia would result in higher fuel consumption than the 390km munkit got from 12.5 litres; this person went on to list not one but five briefly stated points in his attempt to re-butt me. Have a look here

 

If that is not arguing for the sake of arguing, I don’t know what is.

 

Do also note that he doesn’t even attempt to offer any explanation for his views and he dare to state that I am the one “misleading the new riders here”! Here is one clear example of who is misleading whom; I have stated that there is a difference in aerodynamic effects when riding at higher speeds and his nonsensical reply was simply “aerodynamics do not much a significant difference for the range of speed that the rwr can attain”. Is this statement based on fact or just someone trying to mislead others? If his statement is true, I wonder why professional cycling teams bother to spend so much money on aerodynamically proven bikes and attire when they’re just riding at less than 60km/h? Who is misleading whom now, I wonder.

 

....

im pointing out to you not everything you say is right

If you are indeed sincere about pointing out any mistakes I may have made, why don’t you back it up with your own explanations? Where is the substance of your alternate view or are they just baseless claims by someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about? Are you trying to mislead others?

 

 

....on 2nd thoughts, whatever

....not like i come in to this forum often anyway

"Whatever"? That is rather cavalier, don’t you think? Isn’t it irresponsible to just hit and run? Be a man, stick around and come visit more often to justify your comments. If no one has told you this before, it is time to be responsible for what you say!

 

As I have clearly pointed out in my post(4), we all ride the same bike model and you can all test it out for yourselves. Don’t just take my word for it and do be aware of irresponsible idiots on this forum.

[iceimmortal]

wa.. relax relax.. chill..

[seany]

“misleading the new riders here”!

 

 

 

 

grow up and quit whining

i suppose acting like a boss on the internet boosts your ego

 

in the first place i was only correcting your point that riding over longer distance give worse fuel consumption

either you had a problem reading english or didnt know how to comprehend a simple sentence

Edited July 16, 2011 by seany

[seany]

bro, riding on north south highway with constant speed will give better fuel consumption than city riding in singapore due to lesser open/closing of throttle

 

who was the one who replied annoyingly when i made a cordial statement in the first place?

this board used to be such a peaceful place until someone came in and acted all bossy and knowledgable

[Forgestryker]

we are all riders...relax buddies! ride safe and enjoy the ride!

[foxin]

wo hui lai le!!!!!!!!!!!!

[iceimmortal]

wo hui lai le!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

lol welcome back!

[ramsnake]

grow up and quit whining

i suppose acting like a boss on the internet boosts your ego

 

in the first place i was only correcting your point that riding over longer distance give worse fuel consumption

either you had a problem reading english or didnt know how to comprehend a simple sentence

 

who was the one who replied annoyingly when i made a cordial statement in the first place?

this board used to be such a peaceful place until someone came in and acted all bossy and knowledgable

 

 

This is in response to posts no 7095 and 7096.

For better perspective and to get the “full picture”, start reading from post no. 7070.

 

“grow up and quit whining

i suppose acting like a boss on the internet boosts your ego”

Just so you know, I joined the workforce even before you were born and have held senior management positions when you were still running around in your birthday suit. Thus, there really is no need for nor do I hold any inclination to want to be a “boss” anywhere anymore. Even when I was in a position where I managed my co-workers’ work, I had no need to be referred to as boss and indeed I insisted that none of them called me boss. Some of these co-workers who used to report to me are now my close friends. When you eventually grow up and join the workforce, I sincerely hope that you will eventually learn that your posts (starting from post no 7076) are counter-productive and are misleading.

 

“in the first place i was only correcting your point that riding over longer distance give worse fuel consumption

either you had a problem reading english or didnt know how to comprehend a simple sentence”

How were you intending to correct me by that brief statement? In my post to munkit, I was referring to longer distance riding and even used riding to KL as an example. If you indeed have mastered the English language or at least have some level of proficiency as you claim to have; then at the very least you should have described how and under what conditions riding over longer distance will give better fuel consumption as you claimed. That was your very first misleading statement. If you have even a modicum of mastery of the English language, you would have known better about sticking to the point being discussed. On the other hand if there were an alternative scenario that might result in a different conclusion, anyone who has a good grasp of English would know to first state the alternative scenario before stating the alternative conclusion.

 

Even after I have given an elaborate reply giving the various factors that support my statement, you had another chance to clarify your position. Instead, you have chosen to, at post no. 7076, list 5 brief points that doesn’t really say anything with regards to the point being discussed; that is don’t expect to ride to KL on one full tank or that riding over longer distances may increase fuel consumption. Indeed one of these points (SIN-KL 380 km not 320km) had nothing do to with the matter being discussed. As I have said you can’t reach KL on one full tank, which by my estimation is 320km, how would you be able to do it if the distance was 380km as you have stated? What is your point? Is this proper use of the English language?

 

At post no 7081, I have given yet another long explanation of my view. Thus you had a second opportunity after that to clarify your position. Instead of doing so, you have the audacity to state that I am misleading others!

 

At post no 7093, I have given yet another example on the matter of aerodynamics which clearly supports my point and disprove yours. What do you have to say on this besides asking me to quit whining? A real man would readily admit his mistake. Here, you have chosen to attack me instead.

 

“who was the one who replied annoyingly when i made a cordial statement in the first place?”

Do note that I had been equally cordial in my reply (Post 7074) to your comment at post no. 7073. What is it about my reply that annoys you? Why are you so easily annoyed in the first place? Go have a look at your subsequent post again (#7076). Isn’t that the first annoying post? What happened to being cordial?

 

“this board used to be such a peaceful place until someone came in and acted all bossy and knowledgable”

Wei, wat “knowledgable”? Your England hor lan liao! It is “knowledgeable”…

You know hor.. I oso can be quite fun wan leh . I also dun like serious serious wan lor. Talk cock sing song ok what…

 

Yes, that’s a sampling of me posting in Singlish on this thread when the opportunity presented itself. However I draw the line when people start to post misleading information about riding in general or about our bike. When this happens and I don’t see anyone else correcting it, as is usually the case, I step in to comment. That is because such misleading information has serious consequences.

 

When correcting such misleading statements or inappropriate advice, I would invariably post in standard English and write in full sentences so that the point will not be misunderstood. Now, if this then gives you the impression that I’m knowledgeable about bikes and riding and you are annoyed by that, it is unfortunate. I will be the first to acknowledge that my knowledge of bikes and riding is not as extensive as I would like it to be. I know for a fact that there are many more on this forum who know more about bikes than I do. Having said that, I do know enough to sniff out nonsense when I see it and I will not apologise for that. You have problem with people having more knowledge than you do, your problem lor…

 

Misleading Others and/or Inappropriate Advice

Would it surprise you to know that I have, until now, held you in high regard? This is because I had considered Ninjapura, Firestation and you as the more experienced riders on this thread. @stsoh on the Roadwin thread is also someone I have high regard for judging by his posts on that thread.

 

However, it saddens me when people like you choose to keep quiet when it is obvious someone is talking nonsense and is clearly misleading others or offering inappropriate advice by their posts.

 

At the gathering last week you and the others were openly talking about and in general b.i.t.c.h.ing about one ex-rider who used to post misleading information on this thread. My question to you is this: Why didn’t you make any attempt to correct those misleading information? Isn’t it true that by keeping quiet or not doing anything about it just help to spread the misleading info?

 

Just a few pages back, some new RWr owner was asking about getting more power from the bike. @stsoh suggested that they change the rear sprocket to larger ones for better acceleration. Indeed, having sprockets with higher tooth-count would improve acceleration (up to a point). Question is, is it suitable for RWr? Certainly stsoh can’t be faulted because he may not know that our bikes are high revving. However you do know this. Why keep quiet about it? Would you rather have the new bike owner change their rear sprockets to larger ones and therefore waste money or would it be better to speak up and suggest that it wouldn’t be a good idea for our bikes? Isn’t keeping quiet when you know better misleading in and of itself?

 

It is now clear to me that people on this thread would rather TCSS and blindly lead each other on. So, adieu!

Edited July 18, 2011 by ramsnake
Added "Inappropriate Advice"

[munkit]

working till 3am leh!!!

[munkit]

guys... do take a chill pill alright??? wad ever it might be.. we all r still rider n needed advices from everyone..not all r perfect.. so lets give n take oki.. RwR riders will nv have conflicts but do have a heart to help everyone..

[stsoh]

dispute btwn two fractions......i'm sorry if i was partially involved.

i promise not to be involve in here but i felt duly responsible for recommending rwR to newbies.

make peace, not war.

treat this place as coffee talk.

dun take things too seriously n blown off our heads.

Edited July 19, 2011 by stsoh