CDC Bike Learner

[Fire_Blade]

cannot use this sentence for this case scenerio.

 

CDC really needs to revamp its system. its wasting consumers time and money, or they purposely made it this way...

 

for my case, i really damn regret registering there.

 

and i cant wear my auto-blackening aka transition lens! still need waste money again to make another spec...

 

Chill. The lenses cover your eyes and will deter the instructors to see your eyeline while riding. To a certain extent, eyeline during riding is crucial. You can wear anything you like after you passed right? Just bear with it till your TP is over and done with, and you can do anything you like!

[Xenophobia07]

But if I'm not mistaken, CDC has the least amount of lessons compared to the other driving centres for 2B.

 

So for a slow learner, this might pose as a problem of "extortion", but for those 1 lesson clear 1 time, you realised they actually spend much lesser than in other driving centres.

 

So I think its subjective to actually say CDC is trying to "eat" money.

[darky]

SSDC consist of 8 modules, with 4A (simulation riding) and 4B, which totaled to 9 lessons for 2B learners, and they seperate 1st timers and lesson repeaters, which means u might go straight to the area u are weak at.

 

who dare say CDC eat money... wanna get sued meh... we are only trying to say our money and time were wasted repeating the things we had learnt.

 

i do agree most of the time spent in the circuit was waiting. wait wait wait.

[tabby]

The system itself is inherently flawed.

 

MOE ensures that there is a maximum student to teacher ratio, a fixed salary for all teachers of a particular 'rank'. The teachers get applauded if, for the same amount of time manage to get the most number of students to pass the O levels for example. There is an incentive to teach well.

 

But for the driving schools, there's no such thing as lousy instructors, only lousy students. If the instuctor fails a student, no one would say he doesnt teach well, it just means he is strict and trying to ensure some level of safety for the rider and ppl around him.There is an incentive not to teach well.

 

Should there be a day where a GTO (Great Teacher Onizuka) arrive and every student passes each lesson in one attempt, he will be sacked immediately because the system would deem him to be "unproductive" for the school.

 

Seriously guys, don't u think its weird that a student can take a practical lesson 10 times when 50 years ago, we could send the first monkey into space?

[Xenophobia07]

Then it'll be hard to explain how sometimes a student can take the TP 10 times and still not make it.

 

Would this make the Senior Testers from the TP Department have the same incentive for being strict?

 

I still think it just boils down to bad experiences, those that did well in CDC wouldn't have brought this up.

 

Even though I did all my licenses at CDC, I do still agree with nEo that the teaching method can be changed. However, judging by Manpower, Lesson Timing, No. of students and all the areas of concerns that needs to be factored in, I don't have a solution that is flawless, neither can I think of one. There's always alot more happening behind the scenes that is oblivious to us.

[Fire_Blade]

It might not be CDC's fault, probably due to the fact that we are in this very country, where traffic laws come under the eyes of LTA and TP. Maybe to a certain extent, they encouraged such a system to continue existing? Say if the lessons were more efficient, and resulting in more passes, and more riders will be on the road. That will inevitably caused an increase in accidents. This sort of things are rather political and yes, oblivious to us.

 

I've read a bike magazine from UK and I was suprised at how easy their test is. No crank course, no narrow plank... Sounds wonderful eh? And they get to wear full face helmets.

 

Well it's just where we are. We do have choices but they are limited. So we must consider properly before making any decisions.

[Xenophobia07]

Well, during some of our fathers and grandfathers' time, the TP test was just a Figure 8 too.

[Fire_Blade]

lol... during that time, Advance Theory was just a matter of using toy cars, like playing lego. I'm not joking!

[Metal Gear]

During my time in the army (which wasn't that long ago), we drivers still use the toy cars and map thing when we are doing our driving course; in addition to the to the theory tests. It's quite hard if you don't understand the principle.

[darky]

the problem doesnt lie on the courses, how many courses we are going to take, but on how they train us at those courses. they wasted our time waiting and doing things we've already learnt during our previous lesson, instead of advancing us to the later part of the lesson.

 

its like, we are bad at figure 8, but we have to repeat the slope practices FOR THE CONVENIENCE of the instructors. after 30mins of hanging around at the slope, we finally went to Figure 8, and now, theres the damn queue. in the end, we only attempted 3-4 times at Figure 8, before trying out yet another new course. we dont have enough attempts/tries on the courses we are particularly weak at.

 

now the problem lies with how the instructors are spending our lesson of 100mins, instead of how the centre conducts its TP. thats the point tabby and i am trying to say.

[Xenophobia07]

the problem doesnt lie on the courses, how many courses we are going to take, but on how they train us at those courses. they wasted our time waiting and doing things we've already learnt during our previous lesson, instead of advancing us to the later part of the lesson.

 

its like, we are bad at figure 8, but we have to repeat the slope practices FOR THE CONVENIENCE of the instructors. after 30mins of hanging around at the slope, we finally went to Figure 8, and now, theres the damn queue. in the end, we only attempted 3-4 times at Figure 8, before trying out yet another new course. we dont have enough attempts/tries on the courses we are particularly weak at.

 

now the problem lies with how the instructors are spending our lesson of 100mins, instead of how the centre conducts its TP. thats the point tabby and i am trying to say.

 

I could tell what you're trying to say from the start. But how will they split up a lesson into 2? 1 Instructor at the slope for those weak in Slope? 1 Instructor at the Fig.8 and Crank for those weaker in that area? So you'll need 2.

 

Because for safety reasons, you'll need someone to overlook you in that lesson. So it comes down to Manpower.

 

I agree that what you all suggested, should be done that way. But those the School resources allow it?

[Metal Gear]

So far, at least from my experience, the cdc instructors do separate the first timers and the repeats when you go for a lesson . Same for everyone here?

[Xenophobia07]

So far, at least from my experience, the cdc instructors do separate the first timers and the repeats when you go for a lesson . Same for everyone here?

 

But the separate, I think not much difference.

 

They separate, just to make you park your bike, explain the procedure about this particular obstacle, then everyone go back and join up again. Not much difference to me. Since its still Obstacle 1 (Normally 1 lesson has 3 Obstacles in order).

 

Its more like what Tabby and Darky and many others brought up, split up the students to go to the different Obstacles but at the same time, and not split up the students to go to the same Obstacles but at different times.

[darky]

I could tell what you're trying to say from the start. But how will they split up a lesson into 2? 1 Instructor at the slope for those weak in Slope? 1 Instructor at the Fig.8 and Crank for those weaker in that area? So you'll need 2.

 

Because for safety reasons, you'll need someone to overlook you in that lesson. So it comes down to Manpower.

 

I agree that what you all suggested, should be done that way. But those the School resources allow it?

 

ya and thats the problem, cos SSDC is able to do it, and they have almost the same amount of instructors. they really split up the groups, and i think this is a good point CDC must learn from SSDC...

[Fire_Blade]

It seems to me like, the difference between the first timers and repeats, are the former getting a longer briefing, while the latter getting to put on the safety gear faster and mount the bikes. Sad..

[tabby]

ok la, lemme give cdc some credit for their methods.

 

When i was a young poor kid, i enjoyed going to the arcades alot. Take for example a simple game like time crisis. Ill try to ration my playing to once per day so that I only spend 50 cents and have to start from the beginning the next time i played. At that start ill always game over very fast, but consequently you get super good at your earlier stages. To the point that you can finish the entire game in one token.

 

So cdc may ask u to repeat everything in a lesson from start to end, but this will ensure that u master all the stages. Not just pass, but master the stages. The token this time is $20 instead of 50 cents though.

[Xenophobia07]

ok la, lemme give cdc some credit for their methods.

 

When i was a young poor kid, i enjoyed going to the arcades alot. Take for example a simple game like time crisis. Ill try to ration my playing to once per day so that I only spend 50 cents and have to start from the beginning the next time i played. At that start ill always game over very fast, but consequently you get super good at your earlier stages. To the point that you can finish the entire game in one token.

 

So cdc may ask u to repeat everything in a lesson from start to end, but this will ensure that u master all the stages. Not just pass, but master the stages. The token this time is $20 instead of 50 cents though.

 

Wow. That's a good way to put it. I'll have to agree with you on this area too!

[honda_lover]

ok la, lemme give cdc some credit for their methods.

 

When i was a young poor kid, i enjoyed going to the arcades alot. Take for example a simple game like time crisis. Ill try to ration my playing to once per day so that I only spend 50 cents and have to start from the beginning the next time i played. At that start ill always game over very fast, but consequently you get super good at your earlier stages. To the point that you can finish the entire game in one token.

 

So cdc may ask u to repeat everything in a lesson from start to end, but this will ensure that u master all the stages. Not just pass, but master the stages. The token this time is $20 instead of 50 cents though.

 

same for me. This is the best way. and ppl say practice makes perfect. tho u repeat and do it .. it does no harm. but makes the skill perfect. =]

[darky]

ok la, lemme give cdc some credit for their methods.

 

When i was a young poor kid, i enjoyed going to the arcades alot. Take for example a simple game like time crisis. Ill try to ration my playing to once per day so that I only spend 50 cents and have to start from the beginning the next time i played. At that start ill always game over very fast, but consequently you get super good at your earlier stages. To the point that you can finish the entire game in one token.

 

So cdc may ask u to repeat everything in a lesson from start to end, but this will ensure that u master all the stages. Not just pass, but master the stages. The token this time is $20 instead of 50 cents though.

 

very nicely phrased. but sadly, the courses i've learnt in lessons, i've yet to apply it on real life riding. maybe only e-brake and slope. lol

[Xenophobia07]

very nicely phrased. but sadly, the courses i've learnt in lessons, i've yet to apply it on real life riding. maybe only e-brake and slope. lol

 

Crank course to squeeze through Traffic. Plank to help balance through traffic at Traffic light (Squeeze through), so won't hit people's mirrors. Bumpy Course for Malaysia Roads. Fig.8 and Slalom lets you swerve out of a cars way more swiftly when you can't E-Brake in time.

[fruitz]

Crank course to squeeze through Traffic. Plank to help balance through traffic at Traffic light (Squeeze through), so won't hit people's mirrors. Bumpy Course for Malaysia Roads. Fig.8 and Slalom lets you swerve out of a cars way more swiftly when you can't E-Brake in time.

 

Now it makes sense!

[tabby]

Yea the obstacles make perfect sense now.

 

I still have some questions though.

 

Why is it so impt to have the right leg on the foot pegs when stationary?

 

Is one of the purpose for the white durian gloves so that the instructor can see what your hands are doing? Cause it is giving me a worser grip on the throttle.

[forkie]

Yea the obstacles make perfect sense now.

 

I still have some questions though.

 

Why is it so impt to have the right leg on the foot pegs when stationary?

 

Is one of the purpose for the white durian gloves so that the instructor can see what your hands are doing? Cause it is giving me a worser grip on the throttle.

 

I think you are supposed to standby the rear brake when stationary. So that is why right foot must be on the foot peg.

Especially up slope u need to use rear brake ma.

[Metal Gear]

You can use other gloves if you prefer. The durian ones are workable at the least. Gloves are there to stop people from blaming sweaty palms

[Xenophobia07]

Yea the obstacles make perfect sense now.

 

I still have some questions though.

 

Why is it so impt to have the right leg on the foot pegs when stationary?

 

Is one of the purpose for the white durian gloves so that the instructor can see what your hands are doing? Cause it is giving me a worser grip on the throttle.

 

The right leg is suppose to be on the right foot peg because techinically when you come to a stop, your right hand must be pressing on the Brake Lever, and your right leg is suppose to be stepping on the Rear Brake.

 

And you better step and press on it. The 2B bikes in CDC, if you notice, got 3 coloured lights in the front of your bike. The left side is to indicate if your pulling on the lever, the centre one is to see if your speed is above 30km/h (The light will turn on), and the right one is to see if you're stepping on your rear brake. So when you stop, the 2 side lights are not lit up, can get demerit points.

 

As for the gloves, if you want the cheap one, its the $1 durian gloves. Get a proper leather one. Because it helps increase the grip much more if you're using Leather.