SBF PGO Cafe 2009 / 2010 (G-Max, X-Hot, Libra, TR3, T-Rex)

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Originally posted by chua_chee_keong@Apr 9 2005, 10:53 PM

Saw Mobile selling Mobile 1 for motoercycle at mobile some time back, cost abt $22 plus. Anyone tried out

From what I know.

 

Mobil 1 for bike was good until 1999.

 

The compound that Mobil was using for their fully synthetics was PAO.

 

This is the classification for engine oil.

 

Group 1 - mineral

Group 2 - better mineral

group 3 - best mineral / semi syn

group 4 - 100% pao fully syn

group 5 - 100% ester fully syn

 

Any mixture of type may and will result in the drop of group class.

eg. from group 5 fully ester, mix 70% ester with 30% pao or mineral will result a drop to group 4.

 

Now take note on group 4 and 5. they are fully syn. but ester is the best actually.

but before mid 80s, it was not commonly used because, esther actually cause rubber seals to swell up. Esthers are only use in race track whereby they actually rebuilt their machine every few race. so the seal swelling is not actually a problem.

 

But for normal usage, it was not ideal. The first usgae was mix with pao to minimised the swelling. but the disadvantage is that it becomes a group 4.

 

It's only the later part that they perfect the oil with full esther contents without swelling the seals. A additive was added to solved the problems Mobil still uses PAO til 1999.

 

In mid 1990s, castrol start using a super grade 3 mineral oil 70% and add 30%of so call super additive. It enable this oil formulation to perform as good as synthetics. And they market it as fully synthetic.

 

A law suit was brought against them by Mobil. and it went on for 3years and mobil lost. This is because there's no proper defination in law terms regarding what a fully synthetics should be. Castrol claims, anything synthetic is man made. and mineral oil is also man made as crude oil cannot be used straight into the engine. thereforre can still be term as synthetic for mineral oil, as long human intervention is used to extract refine and adding additives. Plus if performance is the same as fully synthetics, why not. and they won.

 

So in 1999. Mobil also follows the same path as the profit is 5 times more when u market a super mineral as a fully synthetics.

 

So most oil out there now are actually "semi-syn" by our defination.

 

The only pure fully syn oil are as follows:

 

Shell rotella (a comercial fleet fully syn oil) pure PAO

Mobil delvac 1 (for comercial fleet) pure PAO

Fuchs pro 4 is ester mixed already only the pro4 plus is still fully ester.

REdline engine oil is fully ester

Amsoil is also fully ester

 

There's also another infos I personally find it very interesting.

I cannot comments much until I tried it for myself.

 

If you bike calls for a max 40 grade oil eg. 15w 40. stick to it.

Both X9 engine and G-max 150 actually calls for a 15w 40 oil.

WE can ignore the 15w as there's no winter here.

 

Now alot of us(I used to do that) uses grade 50 oil thinking that a thicker oil

protects better. Well it's true to a certain extent.

 

The disadvantage is the oil will not last.

Reasons?

 

Oil is thicker so during operation, there will be more heat fro the "oil friction"

Thicker oil dissipates heat slower. it tends to retain more heat. Thus with all the heat. the oil actually breaks down faster.

 

So that's why we experience the oil like weqar out at 2000~3000km after changing.

 

Some guy in the forum, actually did a test. He tried both 40 and 50 on his Frazer 600. It too calls for a 40 grade.

His verdict is the 40 oil will last 4000+ closing to 5000 while the 50 oil last the most 3000km+.

 

The diff he quote was using the 50 oil, it sound a bit quieter. But more sluggish.

40 oil is a little noisy but smoother.

 

I have yet to try out but will try soon.

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Originally posted by eyke@Apr 24 2005, 11:08 PM

G-Max 150 from 0-100km/h take how many seconds?

 

Got below 10 seconds?

The G-max 150 is not really a pure performance scooter.

To a certain extent, depending what u are looking for.

 

After my g-max have touch 1000km

 

I tried a few things.

 

0~60km/h is like nobody business.

If u throttle to 6000rpm+/-

 

The pick up is less that 5 sec. U will just see the speedo climb.

 

Reason is that the 6k rpm is the so call sweet spot for the g-max engine.

 

The twin e.v.o exhaust found on the g-max is design for power at low and medium range rpm. Couple with the SOHC, 2 valve per cyliner.

 

U will achieve maxiumun torque(translate to pickup) at the 6krpm range.

 

and due to the design, the rpm climbs very fast. Kinda like nobody's business.

Really redefine the term, "twist and go"

It's really "Twist and REALLY go"

 

To have a same rate of pick up for 0~100km/h. U have to do 6.5k~8k rpm.

 

It will reach there in 6~7 secs?

 

There's a few characteristic of the engine that if, a newbie is riding it, they might feel it's noisy. The noise come in at 6.5k rpm onwards.

Most people will mistake it for lousy engine refinement. But it's actually not.

 

The noise is due to the twin e.v.o exhaust design. At the header, the exhaust split into 2 path. Being the main exhaust flow/path and a slight smaller exhaust flow path. U will see 2 pipe. The diff in size is aprox 5~10mm smaller for the secondary.

At below 6.5k rpm, the low preassure exhaust flow will utilize both path. This will means that at low rpm the exhaust flow is more free and less restricted. Quieter also. At higher rpm/flow, a high pressure exhaust gas will result. due to the design of the exhaust, Most of the exhaust will by past the smaller pipe and channel to the main pipe. this will give it the necessary back pressure to generate more power at high rpm. and thus the sound. Very much sounds like an boxer/thumper engine at high rpm.

 

Pillion riding not that ideal. Reason due to the extra load carried. Put it this way, all bike will have performance penalty if heavy load is carry. I can ride any bike. But I;m sure the performance will go down as my pillion weight 60~65kg. My weight is already 80kg. Unless my pillion and myself is going for weight reduction program,

The will be penalty in performance if I pillion people.

 

This G-max features a oem shows right side up fork. and a single rear mono-shock. Perosnally I feel that the performace is better than twin rear shocks.

 

The suspension setup is for handling and abit "race" feel. So it's a bit hard. But not too hard. My personal opinion is that it's a very good compromise between handling and comfort. I can feel the road well and yet have a readonable amount of comfort. Not to mention the wheel is 13" for front and back.

 

Cornering. I would say, I'm pretty amaze with the cornering performance.

It will not display any form of instability at corner. U can literally feel the road holding. It's almost too perfect if not for the stock tires. The stock maxxis tire is so far pretty good for dry roads.Personal rating is that it's better than the prirelis sl26.

Almost the same or if not not better than the dunlops. Wet? nah. dare not yet

Unless I change to michelin pilot sport.

 

The weight distrribution is bottom heavy. so the handling feels lighter than the runner vxr. Even thou it's like a few kg heavier.

 

The steering geomatry is ideal. To a certain extent, it will go to where you whant to go. Even thou it have a longer wheel base than runner, it will not over steer.

The only setback is that the turning radius is larger than runner. only slightly larger. and this can be compensated by taking a lower coner. That is provided if you dare. And the design althou is bottom heavy, you will not find yourself crapping the main stand during super low corners. This is due to the placement of the exhaust, especially for right side. and for the left side, the place ment of the floor board is place such a way that it will not scrap the floor even if you excced the 50 degree angle.

 

And also due to the double tube cradle main body frame, The rigidty is better than runner.

 

The brake is oem brembo, twin pot for front and single port for back. It's steel braided as stock. the front caliper is a super 4 size. Stopping power is amazing.

Althou it's not the proper way to do it, I feel that a 3 finger pull on the rear brake is enough to stop the bike from 80~0km in just 4 secs. U need another 3 more fingers on the front if u need more stopping power.

The reason I do this is becasue at the moment, I'm not used to such stopping power yet. To used to normal hose brake and drum rear brakes. And My bike almost skidded due to a nearly rear wheel lock scenarios and I Pull a bikt too much with four fingers. That was like 2 weeks ago.

 

This is my personal verdict for the moment as I've haven't explore the bike enough yet. It's only 3 weeks old.

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Originally posted by eyke@Apr 25 2005, 05:49 PM

wow, thanks for the detailed report.

 

i'm considering the G-Max to replace my Italjet Dragster.

 

But after being spoilt by it's 19hp, 2-stroke 180cc engine that does

 

250cc G-Max is not an option for the moment since i've only 2B...

Italjet dragster.

 

I personally call it the autoscoot legend.

 

It's one of the best performance autoscoot around. Just too bad that

it's close shop now.

 

One thing for sure, The G-max can't match the italjet dragster.

After all it's a 4 stroke versus 2 stroke.

 

It's basically comparing apples with oranges.

 

However, all is not lost. I believe there's one thing that you like on the dragster that can be found on the G-max. That's the handling.

 

The italjet dragster featuers a trellis frame with S.I.S. Single Hydropneumatic front Shock Absorber. This give it a very rigid frame and a very rigid feel in handling.

The front just don't dive with hard braking. But the achilles heel of the design is troublesome tuning and maintenance. Anything wrong with the front suspension, it may result in a road accident. So extra care in maintenance have to be done to the front suspension.

 

The G-max will not give you a very powerful performance. after all it's just a 4 stroke 150cc scoot. However, the engine setup is design for low and medium range. Unless u are 90% on highway most of the time, u will definately appreciates the G-max engine powerband setup.

 

Like I've mentioned in the earlier post. 1 think you won't be disappointed is the handling. It's positive feel, precise steering is worth mentioning about.

 

Other advantage over your previous bike will be fuel cmsumption. When run in properly, be expect to have the fuel consumption of 38km/l. I've already got 36km/l during run in.

 

Another thing would be the type of fuel used. the G-max engine have a compression of 9.5. That pretty means that the lowest grade of fuel you can go is 92. Well, I kiasu so I use 95.

 

Other than that, The g-max's engine is air and oil cooled. so no radiator, no water pump and no coolant leak to worry about.

 

Part is surprising reasonably priced too.

 

depending on what u want at the moment. The G-max might just suits your needs.

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Originally posted by Gmax@May 18 2005, 01:10 AM

I cant really feel the diff when I pump 98 or vpower for my gmax. But when I pump 95 I feel there is power loss.

 

I found out that if i pump higher grade petrol I can go further dist. Lower grade shorter. I come to think of it why not pump better petrol although more ex but work out to be the same anyway.

 

Am I correct to say that?

The 95 and 98 issue is always very controversial.

 

Depending on alot of issues. I personally don't even dare to

say which is right.

 

But so far I'm a believer of a few guide lines.

 

1. If you bike is design to use 95. anything more is a waste.

 

This 1 I think is true to a extent.

 

There's a few case whereby, some rider use 98 for their 95 bike

and find their plug fouling often. A switch to 95 seems to solve the problem.

 

Personal opinion. True to a certain extent. Cos it's easier to combust 95 then 98 in a way. So sometime using 98 will result in a slightly more incomplete combustion.

 

However there must be some safety net in place.

 

I always feel it's better to use a grade higher because of our weather.

 

My style is use 92 (pgo g-max 150 requires minimum 92) when weather is cold.

eg. rainny and cold sessons of the year

 

And during hot weather, 95.

 

bro G-max

 

Another thing concerning ur experience with 98 and v-power is no diff. but 95 is like no power.

 

Am I right to say that when you retune your carb.

U are actually using 98 in your tank right?

 

1 old timer did told me that the best way to tune carb is to use the fuel grade that u will be using all then time and tune it.

 

In other words. if you tune with 95. 98 petrol will feel no diff.

If u tune with 98. then 95 will feel no power.

 

This one I cannot be 100% sure as I'm still trying out at this point of time.

 

I tune mine with 95 last week(?) And still testing out grades of petrol.

 

So far the my verdict for my case is 95 smooth and power is there. 98 got slightly more power but rougher. That's for V power. I should try other petrol before making more statement. There's a slight improvement on fuel consumption.

 

Another thing you might want to is to make sure your throttle freeplay is correct also. It does make a slight diff. In terms of throttle respond.

And sometimes this diff in throttle respond does feel like loose of power in certain rpm.

[alvin80]

G-max maintenance is almost the same as other auto scooters.

 

G-max uses a single cylinder 4-stroke air and oil cooled engine. No need to top-up coolant.

 

Servicing first 500km. Sub-sequence 1k km+-. Depending on type and grade of engine oil used. 3 free servicing from agent. 10,000 or 1 yr warranty.

 

Belt: every 10k km+-. (Max. Up to 20k km+-).

 

Rollers: depending on wear.

 

Fuel consumption: 35 to 40km/L (150cc) depending on riding conditions.

25 to 33km/L (200cc) depending on riding conditions.

 

Edited February 23, 2009 by alvin80

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Originally posted by bassdriver@May 23 2005, 01:13 AM

duno wats the tank reserve is like........

but tank is 7.5litre.........

hope can reach 300km before the next fillup

is there a trip meter on this bike??

wats the biggest givi box we can fix ?

46 litre givi looks great... anyone installed the 54 litre givi?

hope to get this beauty by next week.......and the color is hard to decide.

is the bike very high like runner??

i find runner not so stable cause riding position feels high...

how much did u bought it for>?wats ur color?

When the needle point the "e" mark red zone,

There will be aprox 1.7l of petrol in the tank.

Guess that's what u called reserve.

 

There's no trip meter.

 

Box? Urrr. This one u goto ask g-max. cos he's the box man.

Mine got no box. But word of advice, u might want to add handle bar balancer if you want to put box.

 

46 liter givi box?????/ G-max is not really a big size bike.

I personally think a E33 will be fine for this bike.

Anything bigger will look wierd and might effect handling.

 

Is the bike higher than runner?.

 

I used to own a vxr 200.

 

I feel that the seat is slightly lower than the runner.

 

Overall dimension is slightly larger than runner. Just by a few mm.

Of course the part that I like most is the longer than runner wheel base.

mono shock rear suspension. and 13inch wheels

It will be more stable than runner in terms of handling.

 

The CG seems to be lower than runner too. U will notice that when you put the bike around stationary. It feels lighter then runner even thou it's a bit heavier than runner by a few kg. Low cg I guess.

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Originally posted by -Gu0Zz-@Jun 8 2005, 11:39 PM

Great info about the bike~especially by comet

i saw it today at my neighbourhood bike shop just now,looking for a Kah tar scooter..i saw this bike,thinking it was a 150cc joyride variant,after hearing what the salesman told me

-resembles runner,performance is slightly inferior to a runner

-Honda engine

-taiwan brand,cheap spareparts(honda engine?)

-kick start feature

i didnt really take note of what he said,as i wasn't much interested in this bike at 1st..

after i saw the ad on the forums,i remembered the head lamp design,and the kick start feature..then i recalled seeing the G-max 150 decal on the bike i saw in the bike shop.

Seems to be the kind of bike i'm looking for~i also like the high mount exhaust design..BUt,is the top speed 120km/hr?can you comfortably cruise at 100 without much engine stress?i travel on the highways pretty often..~

Thanks in advance.i hope to join the G-max gang soon!

Honda engine? hehe, chance that shop is not the "PGO HQ"

 

The pgo 150 engine is a own design. WEll maybe with some reference

from the italians (they use to made vespa under licence) But from the

schematics. They are definately own and original design. With some italian roots perhaps.

 

Well, 100km/h is not a problem. I'be being doing that for the past 5 days.

(darn! got to travel to outlets. I hate traffic congestions. Hope no more trips to outlets next week)

From CBD, go by ecp. a big route and then to sengkang. all at 80~100km/h

 

1 word. no problem.

 

Performance inferior to runner? well the 2 strokes yes.

Come one, comparing to runner 180sp. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

 

But the 4 stroke vxr. will lose to it for the first 100 meter (?)

 

But top speed vxr will win. VXR top speed is 135km/h at peak condition.

 

Cos the pgo is design with a good low end respond. Pickup from 0~60 is like nobody business.

 

Weight distribution and geometry is better than vxr in my opinion. Well used to own 1 before. handling and agility is better than the vxr.

 

My only complain maybe not enough top speed. But this is s'pore. How fast u want to go? can go 120km/h in expressway is enough already. Well, maybe I'm old already. But seriously speaking, 120km/h is much more than enough for me.

cos most of the time when I reach 110, I always scared kanna catch by Teepee.

 

Did tried 120 last sat, I was at the scooter aniversary. Scared will get caught in the rain. so speed up abit with another g-max. Hoping to avoid possible rain in that area. It was pretty ok. At that speed not much cars really overtake us.

And we slow down at the speed camera area in AYE section. Somewhere near NUS.

After that we slow down cos alot of bends after that. And we might meet some teepee hiding in some corner.

 

The best part is you don't actually feel that you are fast until u look at speedo.

In other words, this guy is pretty low cg and stable.

U may think speedo may have error. but most of the time. Not much car overtake me at that speed. Unless u want to talk about tiong kias over taking me with their wrx, civics at aprox 130(?) actually, bmw and merc also like to do that.

 

Another thing about this bike is the engine is pretty tight. It will loosen in longer time when compare to other bikes. Eversince I start running the G-max, the engine seems to have slow but better improvement with mileage.

 

At 500km mileage, I thou the fuel consumption is 29km/l. Now at 3200km mileage. the fuel consumption is around 34km/l.

 

Seriously at this point of time, I have no complains.

 

If you interested to know more, You can always look for me or G-max.

 

We will definately be glad to help.

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Originally posted by -Gu0Zz-@Jun 9 2005, 01:19 AM

haha ..thanks for your essay on the G-max

i enjoyed reading your reviews,very detailed and informative

maybe i can syncronise your speedo for u ^^then we can know the realistic top speed of the G-max,and yes the bike shop isn't the pgo hq

a good suggestion maybe..

do u tink an AUX fuel tank to boost the capacity by afew more litres is possible?any heaty problems tru prolonged riding??my current bike cant stand idling at a 2min junction without its cooling fans turning on radiating my shins with 80'c air..

Last question..is it applicable for touring?like to kulai n such..

Aux tank?

 

I doono about you but I don't think it's realy necessary for me at the moment.

 

The last round, I cover aprox 230km. Fuel gauge show E.

I top up, can only squeeze in 6 liters of petrol. Still got 1.5 liter reserve.

 

I don't thinkl this guy got heat problem.

It air-cooled and oil-cooled.

no coolant, water pumps, seals, hose and fan to worry about.

 

So far I don't face any problem yet.

 

The only time when I kanna a 15 mins jam moving inch by inch.

The most is feel engine slightly rougher. After start moving, roughness gone.

 

Well, I went to kulai on my VXR before.

 

No problem for Gmax if VXR can do that.

 

The only problem is Gmax top speed is 120.

 

I did kulai on vxr at 135km/h two years back.

 

I feel 120 and 135 is not much diff cos both also have to give way to overtaking vehicles that is doing 160. Unless bigger cc bike. My friend did 180 to malacca on his super 4 before. and cars sometimes have to give way to them

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Well, I on the 8% interest rate. I think I still can manage lah.

I agree it's abit on the high side. But basically it's something like extra $20

more per month. It's still managable for me. That's all I can say for the

interest part.

 

Now, as for Taiwan versus Italian.

I would say the G-max is almost on par.

The only diff perhaps is the cc of the engine.

 

Design, can challange runner in terms of out look.

 

Handling, sound bias u may think, But I feel that handling is better.

I use to ride a VXR. When compare to the G-max, I prefers the G-max.

 

G-max 150 uses OEM showa shocks. The shocks design will not loose to sebac

suspension that is found on the runner. The plus point of the G-max is the feature of a single central mono shock for the rear. Cornering stability is anytime better then the runner. Plus G-max cg is lover then runner.

 

Brakes. G-max uses a OEM brembo brakes. The size is same as super 4 brakes.

So braking power is better. This is also further improve by the stock, factory fitted steel braided brake hose.

 

Wheels G-max is stock 13" front and back. Runner is 12" front and back.

 

Engine is abit lacking in power. Well, can't compare much. cos, G-max is using a 150cc engine. VXR is using a 200cc engine.

 

Top speed, G-max is 120km/h. VXR 135km/h. But If the VXR belt is 1/2 life gone

(6000km on the belt.) The top speed will drop to 120

 

The G-max engine is using a proven power plant from the old T-rex 150.

Very reliable. Compression is at a low 9.5. Although this may mean low power.

It allows you to use octane 92 petrol. The Sohc layout and 2 v per cylinder setup

will means more torque at lower rpm and consume lesser petrol. The torque is further enhance by the twin E.V.O "freeflow" exhaust. The EVO exhaust is actually a 1 to 2 setup. The ending 2 features a different diameters. 1 is bigger then another.

At low rpm, the exhaust gas is low pressure and the exhaust gas will pass thru the 2 exhaust. At high rom, the higher pressure will bypass the smaller exhasut and flow thru the larger one.

Kinda like a variable exhaust concept.

With this exhasut, the engine is very torqy and responsive at low rpm.

 

The G_max engine is aircooled, like skipper but with a additional oil cooler and oil filter. No need to worry about water pump, coolant, radiator, thermostat, thermosistor and leakage.

 

Carb is a keihin. Personally experience is that it easier to tune and parts are easier to find when compare to Walbro carb.

 

Parts. hehe May sound bias again. I've enquire the price for G-max parts. Runner parts prices I know for sure as I own a vxr before. G-max parts are cheaper and in no way are the quality is inferior wehn compare to vxr.

 

Service of the PGO agent. Competant and good. Warranty repairs are done without question when required. Worrying about parts for new bikes? All parts take 4 days to come in if they need to order.

Anyway when the shipment comes in , there's actually addition spares to replace 3 bikes inside out, minus the frame and engine.

 

AS far as I know, G-max is launch in s'pore for only 4 months. in this 4 months.

There's 2 g-max kanna accident. minor one. What are the parts being replaced?

 

bike 1. Left trans cover, mud guard cum airbox whole unit. The airbox is intergrated to the mud guard.

 

Bike 2. Left side fairing, mudguard cum air box, right fairing and exhaust guard.

 

And they do not need to wait. The max waiting time if require is 4 days.

 

Price involved? although it's paid by insurance, the price is cheaper then VXR.

And I did have a closer look at the damaged panels, The quality is comparable with runner.

 

As for VXR. Well I believe enough has being said. And some is not really nice for me to give further comments as, first I'm now riding a G-max. 2nd My VXR is from the frist batch and even at first hand, I face too much problems. The subsequent batch may have solve the problems.

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Originally posted by edwinT@Sep 13 2005, 10:31 AM

BC bro,

 

Any comments on the Gmax till now? Am sourcing around for a more economical ride. hehehe..

 

Cheers,

Hehe

 

It's kinda boring in a sense. Cos it don't break down.

 

I've being riding a runner(1st batch) and typhoon in the past.

Kenna things like coil dead, petrol pump leak, coolant leak, battery dead.

 

Now? Non of such. Sounds like blowing trumpet. But that's how I feel lor.

 

 

The only thing I can do is add stuff to it. Just add a volt meter.

I was hoping the maintenance free batt would die after 6 months.

But now, the volt meter tells me that The electrical system and batt

Is still pretty healthy.

 

I was hoping it will die soon. So that I can Hands on fill the acid, wait for an hour

before sealing up the unit. so that the liquid can be absorbed.

Then using low level charging to prime the batt into optimium condition.

 

Well, Guess will have to wait quite a long while before I can change to new batt.

 

Being the 4th G-max on the road. I thou I would be the one having the highest mileage. Cos I do travel alot at times.

 

But an uncle just won me.

 

He stay in jurong and work in macpherson area. Dispatch I think.

Now already 10K of him. The first one to change belt ad roller somemore.

To be frank, I don't see too much wear and tear. But I agree that they should be replace at the recommend intervals just to play safe.

I am happy with the durability of PGO bikes so far.

 

The other part will be fuel consumption.

 

When riding runner, I used to pump 10 liters, 11+ dollars 3 years ago.

And it last me 4~5 days. I think in todays' price, It will be at least a $18.

 

Now? 5.8 liters at $10. and it really last me 5 days to 1 week.

Not too bad.

 

My typhoon? It's a 2 stroke. Guess no need to say much.

 

Still pretty happy with the handling. Maybe it's due o the 13" wheels.

Heard that the modenas version is only a 12".

 

Finally, I'm thinking of having a box. But I find even the E16 will spoil the look.

This is personal. I'm having a crazy idea for the box.

I think i'll study first before posting the ideas for a unique box.

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Originally posted by edwinT@Sep 13 2005, 02:20 PM

Actually boring is GOOD! I hope I can be bored to death with my next bike. Too much excitement is not good at all!

 

I really wonder if I'll get used to the "small" feeling and the lack of storage compartments. The fuel consumption is one big pull factor lah.

I think depends very much on what u want again lor.

 

If just for transport to work. the bike can take 1 helmet and 1 set of rain coat.

 

Thinks that's enough for me.

 

Some old uncle ever tell me that. The more space u have, the more rubbish.

 

To a certain extent it's true for me cos,

 

When I sold off my runner, I basically can pack almost closing to 2 ntuc plastic bag full of barang barang. Underseat compartment and givi E33.

 

When I sold off my typhoon, that's almost 1 ntuc plastic bag full of barang barang.

Underseat compartment and e16 box.

 

When I look into these barang barang, 3/4 of it is not really need to be with the bike all the time.

 

Now, my G-max only store my rain coat, 1 basic set of tools and parking coupons only. Which is quite enough apparently. 1 helmet also can go in but I won't store helmet overnite.

 

But then again, it depends. My friend with a X9, got kitchen paper towel rolls, tools, air pump and tire repair kit. Got singer oil and otehr misc liquid on standby also. If he can store pill somemore, Guess he can wash bike whereever he goes.

And he find them useful and also a piece of mind when travlling.

 

IF you are used to a X9, getting a g-max will be like a 2 X downgrade in terms of space.

 

My case is a 1 x downgrade cos I'm doing away with the box.

[alvin80]

Hiap Aik Trading Co P/L

286, Macpherson Road (Opp. Shell)

Tel: 67489940.

 

There's right bro..

 

Bus no. 8,90, 64,65,66,151,& 154.

 

Nearest MRT: Aljunied or Potong Pasir.

 

If you are nearby & cant find our location, do let me knw,

I will personally pick you up..

[alvin80]

Originally posted by @h_LoNg@Sep 8 2006, 02:05 PM

Hi all,

Got some qus for Gmax 200 riders....

 

1) Insurance 3rdParty Fire & Theft price

2) Fuel Comsumption

3) Belt change and all related parts price (on average ard yearly rite?)

4) Tire change price

5) izzit 1L engine oil and 1 spark plug?

6) Oil filter price?

7) Brake pad pricing?

8) any other routine wear and tear things to do yearly except tire, belt, coolant, brake fluid?

9) Road tax price?

 

Thks for the help...

Cos im doing detail breakdown to see how much i can save / how much i need to spend as compare to my S4 now....

Hi,

 

Some information on the G-Max 200 that you queried:

 

1) Insurance 3rdParty Fire & Theft price

Pricing range frm $300 to $600 for 3rd party fire & theft (depending on age).

 

2) Fuel Comsumption

150cc Avg. 35km/L. 200cc Avg. 33km/L.

 

3) Belt change and all related parts price (on average ard yearly rite?)

Usually, we recommend by mileage.

 

4) Tire change price

Price varies frm $ 65 to $100 per piece.

 

5) izzit 1L engine oil and 1 spark plug?

Yes. 1 cylinder uses 1 L of engine oil & 1 Spark Plug.

 

6) Oil filter price?

$15. Changed every 5k km.

 

7) Brake pad pricing?

$28 per set. Originals. For your info. G-maxes' uses front 4 piston caliper

(same as SF4) & twin opposed piston for rear.

 

8) any other routine wear and tear things to do yearly except tire, belt, coolant, brake fluid?

No. Btw, G-max doesnt need any coolant. Air & oil cooled.

 

9) Road tax price?

$80 yearly.

 

Hope the information helps.

 

[alvin80]

Originally posted by raden@Sep 20 2006, 08:08 AM

Hi Alvin.....Good morning to u there....

 

I got some Q to ask u about the new G MAX 200...Here r the Q

 

1. What is the price range now?

 

2. How many colors available?

 

3. Wat is the top speed in stock?

 

4. How is the pick-up and top speed if compare to Gilera VXR 200?

 

5. This bike is made from where?

 

6. Spare parts izzit exp?

 

7. Full tank how many litres bro?

 

8. Is there any available accessories to fix in to the bike in order to make the bike

more stylish and beautiful?

 

9. 1 litre can travel how many kph?

 

Thanks bro....

 

Hi bro,

 

1. What is the price range now?

 

Machine Price $5,800 w/o COE & Insurance.

 

2. How many colors available?

 

3 Colours to choose from.

 

3. Wat is the top speed in stock?

 

Up to 140km/h. (Manufacturer figures) in stock.

 

4. How is the pick-up and top speed if compare to Gilera VXR 200?

 

Pick-up & Top speeds differs on each bike although the engine capacity are the same, & have to depends alot on the rider also.

 

5. This bike is made from where?

 

PGO G-Max 200 is made in Taiwan. PGO have been manufacturing scooter since early 80s'. PGO scooters have been selling scooters world-wide in more than 30 over countries. They have recently added 4-wheeled racing buggies to their range of bikes.

 

6. Spare parts izzit exp?

 

Parts are reasonable priced. Ask the G-Max riders n you will knw the ans.

 

7. Full tank how many litres bro?

 

7.5L.

 

8. Is there any available accessories to fix in to the bike in order to make the bike

more stylish and beautiful?

 

Yes.

 

9. 1 litre can travel how many kph?

 

Avg. 30-33km/L.

 

 

Hope the information helps you to have a better understanding on the G-Max 200.

 

 

 

[BLACK COMET]

Originally posted by @h_LoNg@Sep 21 2006, 10:01 PM

G max 200 Max Power is 10.2kw / 7250rpm

Max Torque is 15.0 N-M / 6000rpm

 

Pick up will be slower than Gilera Runner 06 as its max power is 21bhp / 15.4 kw

 

However, Gmax ability to consume much lesser petrol is a big plus point...

It's true that runner have more HP. but's that when u reach 9000rpm.

G-max reaches the max hp of aprox 16?hp at 7500rpm.

 

Besides Sohc 2 valve (G_max) Theortically have better low end

 

And SOHC 4 valve (runner) Theoritcally have better high end.

 

If you like low end power, Gmax.

 

High end power, runner.

 

What I like about Gmax is the stability (due to longer wheelbase? and the rear suspension setup).

 

And the next thing is fuel consumption. At $1.8 a liter for 98 before discount for current fuel price. I sure like my FC to be around 30~32km/l (G-max 200)

 

Rather Than runner at 24~26km/l.

 

Finally, I like Gmax hassle free air cooled system. Lesser problems.

 

AND. Comsumables like belts, filter. The cost will always win runner.

[WhiteOryx]

Well since the Gmax Review in the sticky is gonna be moved to the advertisers thread, i'm gonna make a copy of my essay here

 

********************************Disclaimer****************************************

I do not have anything againts the runner and the review below is to the best of my knowledge and experience. I do love the runner as i have rode one before but the Gmax appeals more to me in the end. Do consider wisely before you decide to get the bike that you are interested in and not to be forced to buy something you would regret to purchase.

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Hi to all those who are interested in the Gmax 200,

 

I believe its about time i input my review on this Gmax 200 after riding one for 4 mths. Well seriously speaking, the Gmax 200 doesn't differ much from the VXR 200(aka Runner 06). Price wise, it is nearly the same but with regards to long time maintainence, the Gmax would definitely be cheaper. Let me list you a few things to compare between the two bikes but do note that each bike got its own Pro's and Con's.

 

1) Obviously, the Gmax is made in Taiwan while the Runner is made in Italy.

Given the fact that the bike is made in Taiwan, it doesn't means that the bike has a lower quality. In fact it could be even better as the bike was manufactured to suit the Asian climate while the Runner is manufacture to suit the European climate.

 

2) Since the bike is manufactured locally (as in Asian region) parts can be ordered and received easily. It also cost much more cheaper given the currency difference between Taiwan and Spore compared to the Euro.

 

3) The Gmax weights much more heavier compared to the Runner as the frame of the Gmax and its center of gravity is slightly lower. It also means that the bike is much more stable at high speed in which you don't get the feeling that you are being blown away. Conering is also much stable and comparable to bigger bikes.

 

4) Unfortunately, the Gmax has a much more smaller fuel tank when compared to the runner but theoratically, the fuel consumption of the Gmax is supposed to be at 30km/litre for normal riding and it can go up to 35km/litres if you are a relaxed rider. For my personal experience, i only managed to get 28km/litre as i was mostly late to reach my destination (you get the idea huh )

 

5) This is the most common question that people would ask. What is the top speed of the Gmax 200? Well, for your information, i have tested the top speed of this bike 2 weeks after purchasing it hehehe... its out of Spore so still ok.. and the Top that i have gone to is 125km/hr after which i decided to close the throttle as i'm not a speed devil. Surprisingly, even at that speed, the bike didn't vibrate so much. In terms of long distance traveling, i am proud to say, the Gmax 200 have around 300km to reached Muar (long way) and enjoyed the shady durian trees before traveling another 250km back to Singapore.

 

6) In terms of maintainence, every parts of the runner is nearly similar to the Gmax except for a few different things which i have noticed and noted as below;

 

Firstly, the Gmax 200 does not come with a coolant reservoir hence its not water cooled but forced air cooled instead. This means there is less chances of having your piston and block getting overheated and getting a headache thinking on how and where to get the money to repair that faulty coolant pump. Also no need to care about topping coolant hence its saving u money again.

 

Secondly, the carburator of the Gmax looks abit different from the carburator of a VXR. There is this electronic throttle control device that is hooked onto the carburator in which i would have to do much more research on it. I believe this is the one that makes it a fuel economy bike. I will post more info once i get hold of this.

 

Thirdly, this bike comes with a central monoshock suspension which i believe makes the bike much stable. Dun really know much about it but i believe Edwin or BlackComet could explain further hehe..

 

Lastly, given the fact that the bikes comes with stock OEM Brembo front and rear calipers + steel braided hoses, i believe it a worthy investment for your safety.

 

7) Security wise, unlike the Runner 06, the Gmax does not comes with an immobiliser. Instead, the manufacturer designed a special type of key lock that enables the rider to close the key hole upon retriving their keys. I believe this is a much more cheaper alternative.

 

8) Compartment wise, which is a major draw point in my decision to get a Gmax, it is much more bigger that a runner 06. Basically you can actually put a full face helmet at the under seat compartment and much more. It also comes with a light feature to light up the compartment at night.

 

9) In terms of accessories, in my opinion, the Gmax acessories is much more nicer than the runner's..hehe. There are loads of different plug and play items that you can find in the market which cost much cheaper then its italian counterparts that you shall be addicted in making your bike looks nicer than the rest. I'm guilty of that at the moment I believe i have post the link to the Gmax accessories in one of the earlier replies.

 

10) The Gmax is universal. Although it is known by its different name in different countries for example Bobcat in Turkey, Blur in America and Elite Sport in Malaysia, the design remains the same and loyal to its creator and designers from Motive Power Industry in Taiwan. And since its universal, maybe there will be a much more cool n better parts coming from USA or maybe even cheaper repairs from our neighbouring country the outcome is limitless.

 

Well not sure if you guys could consider this as a review of the bike but for me, i am enjoying my bike very much and would really like to have more guys enjoying this bike like me I hope this "essay" would help you to understand more about this bike and for your info, i am still learning more about her every single day. Feel free to ask or PM me questions and i'll try to answer as much as i can.

 

Regards

Whiteoryx

[Mean]

Originally posted by G-max_scoot@Sep 7 2005, 11:41 PM

I happen to understand from a friend living in Malaysia that Modenas is manufacturing G-Max 150 in Malaysia. It is called the Modenas Elit Sports.

 

From what I knw is the Elit Sports uses 12-inch wheels (G-Max 13-inch front & rear) and twin piston front brake caliper (G-Max four piston caliper) and rear drum brakes (G-Max single piston disc brake).

 

There is a special device in the G-Max 150 which the Elit Sports does not have.

This special device manages the electrical, electronics and fuel system better in the whole bike.

It comes standard in all G-Max 150 in SG.

 

 

G Max Scoot,

I did some web browsing and noticed a few differences between G-Max and Elit Sports:

 

1. 12" rims on Elit Sport (most likely taken from Elit aka T-Rex. There is a 2-stroke G-Max 50cc with 12" rims too, sold in Europe)

2. different front mudguard (also taken from Elit)

3. front disk is similar to that of Elit

4. front fork is different since disk is smaller than G-Max's - suspect that T-Rex fork system is used here

5. no rear disk (of course).. and perhaps the rear curved mudguard is different to suit the smaller 12" rims otherwise there'll be ugly space

6. speedometer - indicates MODENAS instead of PGO. Layout is the same

7. decals are different from G-Max's

8. engine cover - has Modenas lettering on it

 

 

I paid RM5900 for it (excluding insurance). When I learnt that it was based on a PGO bike with more extras eg 13" rims and rear disk, I contacted Modenas to ask if they could install it for me. According to them it will cost too much coz the rims already cost RM1000, plus the disk and calipers another 700-900. The Elit Sports was downgraded so that it could be sold at that particular price. Plus the fact that it is locally assembled too.

 

Somehow I still hope that I can convert my Elit Sports to become a G-Max (complete with 13" rims and rear disk). Looking at the parts list above, i think that's gonna be expensive.

 

So what is that extra device u said Elit Sports does not have? Is it located somewhere in the battery compartment? I see two empty slots there, not sure if this is where the device is supposed to be. Can I purchase it then?

 

All in all, I think the price paid for this bike from Modenas is fair. If the G-Max were to be sold in Malaysia as a fully imported unit, I suppose the selling price will be RM9000 thereabouts including tax. I don't suppose ordinary mortals will want to have one, at that price.

 

Besides the cosmetic differences, I believe the Elit Sports performs just like a G-Max 150. Only thing I don't like is the terrible brake fade for the rear drums. The front brake is better though.

[alvin80]

Originally posted by joe x1@Dec 27 2006, 12:53 AM

hi guy me feel like changing to gmax but i also hope to know more abt this bike can u guys tell more n if got photo will be better tks alot

Hi, here are some information to help you understand PGO scooters better.

 

INFO ON PGO SCOOTERS

 

G-MAX 200 INFO & PROMO

 

ACCESSORIES FOR PGO SCOOTERS

 

[Dom.C]

dom - i read that you sold off your bikes already, upset arr. later i check with alvin fix side cart can or not, then can hv space to pillion

 

Muz have side-cart then can pillion me?That means you die die muz bring your mina out la....hahahaha

Make sure you dun run when we really find a side cart for u...

[WhiteOryx]

Muz have side-cart then can pillion me?That means you die die muz bring your mina out la....hahahaha

Make sure you dun run when we really find a side cart for u...

Wah u all dun scare him till like that leh See he run away liao

[ah_dun]

when u all guy free for coffee? =) sat nite?

[ryad 58]

hi gmax 200, u have a good pic on yr profile. how abt droping @tuas track

[Kuro_Tenshi]

hi gmax 200, u have a good pic on yr profile. how abt droping @tuas track

 

When? :confused: :confused:

[ryad 58]

maybe this sunday

[ryad 58]

When? :confused: :confused:

 

i will up date on friday, thnks