[Technical] Engine Oil - All related matters in EO

[VidaK]

Is it just me and reviews or does maxima oils really give you better fc?

 

I guess that would be just you

[Hydher]

I guess that would be just you

 

 

just trying my luck.

 

Esso 5000 does gives me better mileage than 2000 and caltex.

 

but seriously.. cheap oil sucks.

[kzone]

What plugs u guys use with these EO? Matching cheap oil with cheap plugs v.v? or one common plug for all?

[Hydher]

NGK over denso anytime personally. For iridium.. like a forumer said, we wun fully utilize it on our phantom.

[VidaK]

 

just trying my luck.

 

Esso 5000 does gives me better mileage than 2000 and caltex.

 

but seriously.. cheap oil sucks.

 

err... you meant petrol... or oil...?

 

either way... I use cheap petrol... about S$0.75 per litre... and better than most other petrol

 

What plugs u guys use with these EO? Matching cheap oil with cheap plugs v.v? or one common plug for all?

 

I use cheap, standard plugs... since I'm a high mileage person

[Finrod]

err... you meant petrol... or oil...?

 

either way... I use cheap petrol... about S$0.75 per litre... and better than most other petrol

 

Must be using Petronas Primax right?

[Hydher]

err... you meant petrol... or oil...?

 

either way... I use cheap petrol... about S$0.75 per litre... and better than most other petrol

 

 

 

I use cheap, standard plugs... since I'm a high mileage person

 

Talking about both!

I just got 34.5km/L/ Im damn happeh.

 

Must be using Petronas Primax right?

 

You were right about esso 5000 mate. Btw, where you did your grounding for your ex ta and how much?

[Hydher]

Lets get things organised. Please add on to the list. Try to keep it alphabetically arranged thank you!

 

Strictly for TA200 riders reviews only

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Bel-Ray-96262-Thumper-20W50-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Belray thumper 20w50(Unique motorsports/hkl) $18

Hydher - After 1000k,gear shifting was slick 4.5/5

 

 

 

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_malaysia/STAGING/local_assets/images/products/mco_power14t_malaysia_375x253.jpg

Castrol Power 1 15w40 (Thailand) 100 baht / S$4.26

VidaK - Gear changing is a little stiff, engine sounds rough and top speed is much lower than before 2/5

jianping - worst EO on my bike, engine feels less powerful,noisy and rough.. need to throttle alot more to attain 90km/hr on expressway.. avoid this.. i bought at $12.. 1/5

 

 

 

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_IHSFI5DXqm4/ShF8-VdH1fI/AAAAAAAADmQ/rMjBbBzoXdw/s512/DSC00359.JPG

Chessa Chex 9000 10w50 (planet) $16

VidaK - No gear changing problems, or other problems. Although there is more vibration then quality oils, it is good value for your money 4/5

jtzx- Great fully syn Eo. which is value for money which can last at least 2.5k millege 5/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to FUCHS brand.

 

 

FUCHS [Which series?]15w50 (planet) $10

Hydher - I hated it after 1k, gear changing was rough as hell and stuck at neutrals 2/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to CHEX brand.

 

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-32901-Maxum4-Extra-100-Synthetic-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-15W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 15w50 extra (planet) $21

VidaK - no problems with the bike, but compared to the chex, this oil lost outright since its much more expensive... 3/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-35901B-Maxum4-Synthetic-Blend-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-20W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 20w50 synblend (planet) $15

Hydher - Was used for long distance travelling. Was soso. 4/5

nuttybing - can feel the roughness in changing gears after around 1300km, so so only 3/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-36901-Maxum4-Ultra-100-Synthetic-High-RPM-Formula-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-5W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 5w50 ultra (planet) $23

VidaK - No doubt it is a good oil, but it is a little expensive 3.5/5

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/hydher/bike/IMG_0237.jpg

Mobil 20w50 $7

Pending reviews

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/300V_4T_FACTORYLINE_15W50.jpg

Motul 300v 15w50 (planet) $28

VidaK - The smoothest is unreal. In fact top speed increased. 4.5/5

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/5100_4T_15W50_1L_A.jpg

Motul 5100 15w50 (semi)

nuttybing - Gear changing is really smooth, can feel the power along with the throttle, around 2000km can feel it deteriorating 4/5

 

 

 

NASA [Which series?]10w40 (planet) $10

Hydher - Not bad in all rounders even price. 4/5.

jtzx - pick up quite bad but over all good.. 3.5/5

armani123sg- acceleration faster, nicer sound, better than the FUCHS and CHEX but my FC decrease from usually 40km/hr on FUCHS/CHEX to 37km/hr on NASA...

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/hydher/bike/IMG_9969.jpg

Putoline SUPER DX 4 SEMI SYN $8 LAB

Rating 2.5/5. Useable for 2k and you get what you pay for.

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/hydher/bike/IMG_0242.jpg

Total 15w50 $8.90

Pending reviews

 

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/tosco1122/HR50white.jpg

Verity 15w50 fully synthetic (planet) $26

VidaK - It is very good, but not the best. Quite expensive also... 3.5/5

Edited July 10, 2009 by Hydher

[VidaK]

Must be using Petronas Primax right?

 

you know your petrol well

[Hydher]

I saw Hl cycle promotion of a free spark plug and motul 3100 For $13.50. Sounds good.

[jtzx]

iszt for real?

[Hydher]

$18 for maxima extra 15w50 at unique kaki bukit!

[jtzx]

$18 for maxima extra 15w50 at unique kaki bukit!

 

wa... till when?? i got 700km more to go..

 

when my school is YCK and i live in bishan only.

[Hydher]

End of july. I'm going budget mode for now. hehe.

[Hydher]

Just f.y.i

 

Our phantom TA200 recommends oil change intervals at 4000km. However, many practice to have them change it at 2000km for the "just in case" its a normal industry practice across countries across various model of bikes and oils.

 

Some of the reasons that makes us reason to get the oil changed earlier

1. No oil filter. Contaminants gets circulated.

2. Singapore = City riding = extreme engine conditions = faster deterioration of oil .

3. Only 1 liter of oil circulating.

4. Lower quality oil used.

5. Our gaskets are leaking(get them fixed or monitor the levels vigilantly!)

6. Our phantom "burns oil". As experienced by some phantom owners

 

Our phantom TA200 recommends to use only high detergent, quality motor oil certified on the container to meet or exceed requirements for API Service Classification SE, SF or SG. It is not necessary to use additives.

 

What does this mean?

 

Each new SAE API oil standard generally meets or exceeds all previous API oil standards. Thus SAE API "SL" meets or exceeds the "SH" and "SJ" SAE API standards.

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Taken from https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Differences_Between_Car_and_Motorcycle_Oil.aspx

 

What is the difference from motorcycle oil than car oil?

 

Motorcycle oils and passenger car oils are very similar, with the exception of a couple of areas that are key to motorcycle operation. The first area concerns common sumps, or the use of motor oil, to lubricate and cool the transmission. As you know, in a passenger car the transmission is lubricated by an ATF fluid, which has frictional properties required for transmission operation. In a motorcycle, where the transmission may be lubricated by the engine oil, an engine oil that does not have the same level of friction modification (for fuel economy) of a typical passenger car engine oil will provide better transmission performance in terms of transmission lock-up and slippage. So motorcycle engine oil does not contain the friction modifiers of a passenger car engine oil. The second area of concern for motorcycle engine oils is that they tend to shear (breakdown viscosity) more quickly than a typical passenger car.

 

In short, if you are not sure if they use additives that would benefit passenger cars and be dreadful for it to be in your motorcycle, dun use it.

Edited July 15, 2009 by Hydher

[Hydher]

Now now.. who has recommendation for diy priced oils for a diy enthusiast?

 

Im starting with carrefour and Lim AH BOY.

[mepkoh]

For motorecycle EO...look for 4T..or JASO MA stds.on the labels esp. for synthectic EO. those with JASO MA certified fit for bikes..(JASO is Japanese oil std.)

But dont believe everything printed on label....buy from trusted shops safer.

some famous brand dont hav JASO MA std...but they claimed superior quality..its your money..u call the shots.

[Hydher]

Which shops sell them for value prices? too bad we dun have walmarts.

[Finrod]

you know your petrol well

Read from some thread bout u liking petronas......i also personally pump in petronas sometimes. The price is a giveaway....no???? Lol....

[Finrod]

You were right about esso 5000 mate. Btw, where you did your grounding for your ex ta and how much?

 

Esso 5000 gives balanced engine power and also fuel consumption which most of us wants out of our TA 200.....Hmm, i miss riding my TA200......josh wanna exchange our bike or not!!!!...lol.

I did my grounding at Ah Koon bro coz its a matter of just a few kms from my office. Was told that TA200 has no need for 5 point grounding and etc. I think i just did 1 or 2 point, can ask jtzx bout it. Btw i forgot the price bro.

[Hydher]

Esso 5000 gives balanced engine power and also fuel consumption which most of us wants out of our TA 200.....Hmm, i miss riding my TA200......josh wanna exchange our bike or not!!!!...lol.

I did my grounding at Ah Koon bro coz its a matter of just a few kms from my office. Was told that TA200 has no need for 5 point grounding and etc. I think i just did 1 or 2 point, can ask jtzx bout it. Btw i forgot the price bro.

 

You're riding a vara125?

 

Yesterday i felt poor so i did esso 2000. haha

[jtzx]

Just f.y.i

 

Our phantom TA200 recommends oil change intervals at 4000km. However, many practice to have them change it at 2000km for the "just in case" its a normal industry practice across countries across various model of bikes and oils.

 

Some of the reasons that makes us reason to get the oil changed earlier

1. No oil filter. Contaminants gets circulated.

2. Singapore = City riding = extreme engine conditions = faster deterioration of oil .

3. Only 1 liter of oil circulating.

4. Lower quality oil used.

5. Our gaskets are leaking(get them fixed or monitor the levels vigilantly!)

6. Our phantom "burns oil". As experienced by some phantom owners

 

Our phantom TA200 recommends to use only high detergent, quality motor oil certified on the container to meet or exceed requirements for API Service Classification SE, SF or SG. It is not necessary to use additives.

 

What does this mean?

 

Each new SAE API oil standard generally meets or exceeds all previous API oil standards. Thus SAE API "SL" meets or exceeds the "SH" and "SJ" SAE API standards.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Taken from https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Differences_Between_Car_and_Motorcycle_Oil.aspx

 

What is the difference from motorcycle oil than car oil?

 

Motorcycle oils and passenger car oils are very similar, with the exception of a couple of areas that are key to motorcycle operation. The first area concerns common sumps, or the use of motor oil, to lubricate and cool the transmission. As you know, in a passenger car the transmission is lubricated by an ATF fluid, which has frictional properties required for transmission operation. In a motorcycle, where the transmission may be lubricated by the engine oil, an engine oil that does not have the same level of friction modification (for fuel economy) of a typical passenger car engine oil will provide better transmission performance in terms of transmission lock-up and slippage. So motorcycle engine oil does not contain the friction modifiers of a passenger car engine oil. The second area of concern for motorcycle engine oils is that they tend to shear (breakdown viscosity) more quickly than a typical passenger car.

 

In short, if you are not sure if they use additives that would benefit passenger cars and be dreadful for it to be in your motorcycle, dun use it.

 

Gasket is??

 

 

Read from some thread bout u liking petronas......i also personally pump in petronas sometimes. The price is a giveaway....no???? Lol....

 

yea.. super discount if you pump that petrol.. but performance overall good?

 

Esso 5000 gives balanced engine power and also fuel consumption which most of us wants out of our TA 200.....Hmm, i miss riding my TA200......josh wanna exchange our bike or not!!!!...lol.

I did my grounding at Ah Koon bro coz its a matter of just a few kms from my office. Was told that TA200 has no need for 5 point grounding and etc. I think i just did 1 or 2 point, can ask jtzx bout it. Btw i forgot the price bro.

 

haha... i kind of like your phantom also... so comfortable man.. cause i'm not the speed type. love relaxing rides everyday.. yup finrod did grounding.. But what does grounding really do? Personally felt that my phantom can pickup and start better. compared to my other phantom friends..

 

haha.. looking into buying a disk lock with alarm like that one vidak had.. $45 bucks.. make of alloy!

 

You're riding a vara125?

 

Yesterday i felt poor so i did esso 2000. haha

 

haha.. his vara looks nice man.... huge and big..

is vara comfortable or more to speed?

[VidaK]

Read from some thread bout u liking petronas......i also personally pump in petronas sometimes. The price is a giveaway....no???? Lol....

 

 

Esso 5000 gives balanced engine power and also fuel consumption which most of us wants out of our TA 200.....Hmm, i miss riding my TA200......josh wanna exchange our bike or not!!!!...lol.

I did my grounding at Ah Koon bro coz its a matter of just a few kms from my office. Was told that TA200 has no need for 5 point grounding and etc. I think i just did 1 or 2 point, can ask jtzx bout it. Btw i forgot the price bro.

 

oh come on! your are riding "the pride of certis cisco"! (just kidding...)

[Hydher]

gasket is to contain the eo in your engine. if ur engine is consumine eo, getting this changed will usually nail it.

 

Lock is very troublesome. Phantom so common in singapore but uncommon in malaysia. but ur choice la

[jtzx]

gasket is to contain the eo in your engine. if ur engine is consumine eo, getting this changed will usually nail it.

 

Lock is very troublesome. Phantom so common in singapore but uncommon in malaysia. but ur choice la

 

 

 

ah i see... so gasket is located in??

 

 

yup... lock = i can lock phantom and maybe some other bikes in future..

 

can try mob it abit.. maybe can lock my bicycle also??

 

normally i cycle more then i ride..

 

Bishan > thomsom> TPY =nearby

 

cycle better.. no Jam.. shortcuts ,faster and stay healthy ;-)