[Technical] Engine Oil - All related matters in EO

[jtzx]

guys.. my ta200 running on Chex 9000 now.. its been about 2000km now over the past 2 mths, my EO seems to dry up real quick.. i topped up a total about 1L of Chex 9000 already... i've tried running a little rich to run a little cooler (turn the screw clockwise right? just to confirm) but still no difference.. top up a little about every week... any idea whr my EO goes? i doubt its d piston area, cux thr is no white smoke..

 

try to change your EO at 1500km... ta200 do eat a little 4T.. it's normal....

[ezzyoiler]

guys.. my ta200 running on Chex 9000 now.. its been about 2000km now over the past 2 mths, my EO seems to dry up real quick.. i topped up a total about 1L of Chex 9000 already... i've tried running a little rich to run a little cooler (turn the screw clockwise right? just to confirm) but still no difference.. top up a little about every week... any idea whr my EO goes? i doubt its d piston area, cux thr is no white smoke..

 

this is a sign that u may need a top overhaul..ie valve train servicing..a dirty oily air filter confirms this..

a really bad situation is bad rings/piston..if u are loosing power...thats a sure sign with the high oil consumption..

[ezzyoiler]

hi guys I have a bottle of 4 litre Synace 5W40 Fully Synthetic Motor Oil from SPC... issit suitable for silverwing after running in? or this is for cars not for bikes de...??

 

if it is not stated as 4t...dont use..car eo no compatible..unless your bike has a dry clutch..

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

if it is not stated as 4t...dont use..car eo no compatible..unless your bike has a dry clutch..

 

I think silverwing has dry clutch - there was a similar post on the oil discussion thread somewhere else, and a SW rider stated he has a dry clutch. So it should be fine.

[kamelp]

hi guys, read thru some pages of this thread and noticed i used the wrong engine oil. the one im using is for car (those normal synetic oil from petrol kiosk) instead of 4T engine oil for motorbike. and my ta200 does drink alot of oil too.. so i always need to top up once every fews full tank.

regarding for the change of engine oil, does phantom have a oil filter to change also when doing servicing? im still not very sure whats in my bike. hopefully any lao jiao would enlighten me

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

hi guys, read thru some pages of this thread and noticed i used the wrong engine oil. the one im using is for car (those normal synetic oil from petrol kiosk) instead of 4T engine oil for motorbike. and my ta200 does drink alot of oil too.. so i always need to top up once every fews full tank.

regarding for the change of engine oil, does phantom have a oil filter to change also when doing servicing? im still not very sure whats in my bike. hopefully any lao jiao would enlighten me

 

Oil consumption depends on engine state. It's possible to run with zero oil consumption but it does depend on engine state, operating history, etc. Complicated stuff, just enjoy the ride for as long as you keep the bike.

 

TA200s like most older 2B bikes don't have oil filters. Thus it is important to run a shorter OCI (oil change interval). Something around a thousand miles (1600km) should be perfect to ensure engine longevity.

[Icomeforyou]

With regards to engine oil change, I was just wondering if there's really a need drain of all the old EO, before topping in new ones, or can I just top up new EO periodically?

 

Theoretically it's like petrol? I mean I'm not sure about this, but if I don't drain all my petrol before pumping in new one, can I just top up EO like I do with petrol. Of course EO has sediments, so perhaps 3 every yearly quarter then flush the whole engine?

 

What do you guys think?

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

You need to drain the engine oil completely as:

 

1. Combustion by products, moisture from condensation in the morning, all accumulate in the EO. Nowadays we are all using detergent type EOs which break down the crap in the engine and suspend it in the EO (hence the dark colour), instead of letting them build up on the engine parts.

 

This is the reason why if you have a machine using say, EO from the 70s (where it was still "SAE 30" not "10W40"), the engine oil when changed will be clear but that does NOT mean SAE 30 runs cleaner than 10W40. The sh1t remains in the engine due to lack of detergents! So you need to drain the damn toilet periodically.

 

1a. We don't have engine oil filters to prolong oil life so use the tried and tested rule for 'vintage' engines - one thousand mile OCIs.

 

2. If you don't get rid of the crap floating in the old engine oil, and rely on topping up alone, eventually the engine will wear itself to require costly maintenence. It will take a long time but that's what will happen.... especially considering I can easily solve oil consumption issues and never need to top up I don't want to think of what will happen if I ran a 2 year OCI

[kamelp]

Oil consumption depends on engine state. It's possible to run with zero oil consumption but it does depend on engine state, operating history, etc. Complicated stuff, just enjoy the ride for as long as you keep the bike.

 

TA200s like most older 2B bikes don't have oil filters. Thus it is important to run a shorter OCI (oil change interval). Something around a thousand miles (1600km) should be perfect to ensure engine longevity.

 

thanks bro, regarding for the using of wrong EO does that really matter or should i just continue to use it?

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

thanks bro, regarding for the using of wrong EO does that really matter or should i just continue to use it?

 

If it's not causing you any clutch slippage you may continue using the car oil (it doesn't have any friction reducers) - but for the long term it may be advisable to use motorcycle-formulated oils because the additive packages for bikes cater better to high revving, small-sump engines. Specifically, zinc, phosphorous levels are typically higher for m/c oils. (Turbodiesel pickup oils strangely have similar requirements due to the high temperature of turbos running at 150,000rpm; they use oil for cooling)

 

Whereas a car formulation can be safely designed for reduced emissions and greater fuel economy, a car having a larger oil sump, extensive filtration systems and at least for passenger cars, much lower revs. There are car oils like you discovered that may be attractive for their low cost but since we're still at class 2B, oil changes don't cost much anyway.

 

I don't advocate buying a crap oil to save money then add aftermarket additives into it - we are not oil engineers and some of these so called "performance enhancing" additives can and have ruined small-bike engines. So just let the smart people at Motul or your favourite motorcycle oil company do the job picking the right additives for you.

[ezzyoiler]

thanks bro, regarding for the using of wrong EO does that really matter or should i just continue to use it?

 

if you have car eo....best is to get rid of it as fast as u can..

the car eo will destroy your clutch plate...

 

this is what i will do...get the cheapest 4t..happens to be unc lube at$3/L at ah boy..

drain thye car eo...put in cheapo 4T..run for a day..change over to your fav 4t..oil..

in this way the car eo is flushed away....or you may run muti changes of cheap eo if you are still uncomfortable with one flush..

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

That is a good tip @ezzyoiler - never thought of using "uncle" lube as an engine flush It's cheaper too!!

[ezzyoiler]

hey..lube oil is a biggie subject..pleas refer to the term tribology...

 

lube oils are always formulated for a particular usage...

 

turbo charger...now they run at high rpm..more than 100,000 rpm is the norm...

thel ube oil requirements here is quite different from bike bike/engines..

 

bike/car rpm low and with high load..

turbo charger..high rpm at low loads...this oil is formulated to be of very low viscosity so that that can flow easily between the tight clearances of the turbo charge.at high rpm....if they use lube oil at all..

 

nowa adays...most turbo chargers do not use oil as an lubricant..surprise ahhhhhhhh..

they utilize what is known as an air bearing...yeah they float on air during their operations..

so guys you dont have to experiment...the eo company has done that for you..

just choose a well accepted brand and you wont go wrong...dont be a smart aleck and do dumb things..

the above is only my personal opinion...it is up to you to believe or not...any way u are fooling with your bike not mine..

[Icomeforyou]

wow thank you both very much for your clear explaination =)

[naim]

guys.. posted about my high EO consumption recently. hv taken ur advices n adjusted my carb to be a little on d rich side.. and voila! no drop in my EO amount at all for d past week.. guess it was rly jux too hot.. rly appreciate it bros!

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Yay good work

 

For those really interested in DIY tuning - suggest get an IR thermometer from Mustafa. I'll get one and we can chart what is the 'normal' operating temperature of a TA200 so we don't have to use the "is my feet burning?" temperature gauge!

[naim]

hahaha.. alrite.. do come back at let us know hw much is it.. dun mind getting one too and play ard wif my bike a little more... i tink there is still more potential to squeeze out of this little old bike!

[icearmour]

is engine flush required for ta200?? since we dont' have a oil filter, is it recommended once in a while??any particular brand??

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

is engine flush required for ta200?? since we dont' have a oil filter, is it recommended once in a while??any particular brand??

 

Not recommended - it's better to simply change the oil frequently. An OCI (oil change interval) of 1500-2000km works fine to maintain good engine condition.

[jtzx]

WHERE"S mY LIST OF EO AGAIN?

REMEMBER TO UP THE LIST K

[Charlton]

Strictly for TA200 riders reviews only

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Bel-Ray-96262-Thumper-20W50-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Belray thumper 20w50(Unique motorsports/hkl) $18

Hydher - After 1000k,gear shifting was slick 4.5/5

TheChosenX - I loved it to the end. Only after 1000k++ that the throttle is smoother and engine has lesser vibration. 4.5/5

 

 

 

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_malaysia/STAGING/local_assets/images/products/mco_power14t_malaysia_375x253.jpg

Castrol Power 1 15w40 (Thailand) 100 baht / S$4.26

VidaK - Gear changing is a little stiff, engine sounds rough and top speed is much lower than before 2/5

jianping - worst EO on my bike, engine feels less powerful,noisy and rough.. need to throttle alot more to attain 90km/hr on expressway.. avoid this.. i bought at $12.. 1/5

 

 

 

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_IHSFI5DXqm4/ShF8-VdH1fI/AAAAAAAADmQ/rMjBbBzoXdw/s512/DSC00359.JPG

Chessa Chex 9000 10w50 (planet) $16

VidaK - No gear changing problems, or other problems. Although there is more vibration then quality oils, it is good value for your money 4/5

jtzx- Great fully syn Eo. which is value for money which can last at least 2.5k millege 5/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to FUCHS brand.

 

 

FUCHS [Which series?]15w50 (planet) $10

Hydher - I hated it after 1k, gear changing was rough as hell and stuck at neutrals 2/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to CHEX brand.

icearmour- gear changing was very hard..too much vibration as well..changed after 500km...1/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-32901-Maxum4-Extra-100-Synthetic-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-15W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 15w50 extra (planet) $21

VidaK - no problems with the bike, but compared to the chex, this oil lost outright since its much more expensive... 3/5

icearmour - no problems, speed, smoothness, vibration etc all are at decent levels...but not the best in anything so 4/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-35901B-Maxum4-Synthetic-Blend-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-20W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 20w50 synblend (planet) $15

Hydher - Was used for long distance travelling. Was soso. 4/5

nuttybing - can feel the roughness in changing gears after around 1300km, so so only 3/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-36901-Maxum4-Ultra-100-Synthetic-High-RPM-Formula-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-5W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 5w50 ultra (planet) $23

VidaK - No doubt it is a good oil, but it is a little expensive 3.5/5

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/hydher/bike/IMG_0237.jpg

Mobil 20w50 $7

Pending reviews

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/300V_4T_FACTORYLINE_15W50.jpg

Motul 300v 15w50 (planet) $28

VidaK - The smoothest is unreal. In fact top speed increased. 4.5/5

ckoonyin - very smooth; last me until 1000km before it started to get rough 4/5

ckoonyin - 2nd time using it again, damn smooth, gear changes are very positive. engine vibration is noticably muted compared to Motul 7100

icearmour- overall smoothness increased nicely:thumb:vibration still there but slightly lesser....4/5

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/5100_4T_15W50_1L_A.jpg

Motul 5100 15w50 (semi)

nuttybing - Gear changing is really smooth, can feel the power along with the throttle, around 2000km can feel it deteriorating 4/5

ckoonyin - roughness was similar before i did EO change from Motul 300 3/5

 

http://www.motorcycle-road-and-race.co.uk/catalog/images/7100-full-synthetic-ester-motul-4l.jpg

 

Motul 7100 10w40 100% Syn Ester $22

lycan - still trying it out. feels smoother than Motul 5100.

ckoonyin - not much diff between Motul 5100

TheChosenX - Trying it out for the first time. Throttle is so much smoother and more responsive. But nosiy compared to my thumper 20W50.

 

 

NASA [Which series?]10w40 (planet) $10

Hydher - Not bad in all rounders even price. 4/5.

jtzx - pick up quite bad but over all good.. 3.5/5

armani123sg- acceleration faster, nicer sound, better than the FUCHS and CHEX but my FC decrease from usually 40km/hr on FUCHS/CHEX to 37km/hr on NASA...

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/hydher/bike/IMG_9969.jpg

Putoline SUPER DX 4 SEMI SYN $8 LAB

Rating 2.5/5. Useable for 2k and you get what you pay for.

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/hydher/bike/IMG_0242.jpg

Total 15w50 $8.90

jtzx - Bought this at carefour for only $5.90 for my DIy oiler.

 

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/tosco1122/HR50white.jpg

Verity 15w50 fully synthetic (planet) $26

VidaK - It is very good, but not the best. Quite expensive also... 3.5/5

Amsoil 10w40(25$)

icearmour- gear changing is the smoothess among all..less vibration and as good as motul 300v..top speed not so great so 4/5

 

Anyone wanna update?

[jtzx]

thanks dude..

[byon]

Strictly for TA200 riders reviews only

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Bel-Ray-96262-Thumper-20W50-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Belray thumper 20w50(Unique motorsports/hkl) $18

Hydher - After 1000k,gear shifting was slick 4.5/5

TheChosenX - I loved it to the end. Only after 1000k++ that the throttle is smoother and engine has lesser vibration. 4.5/5

 

 

 

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_malaysia/STAGING/local_assets/images/products/mco_power14t_malaysia_375x253.jpg

Castrol Power 1 15w40 (Thailand) 100 baht / S$4.26

VidaK - Gear changing is a little stiff, engine sounds rough and top speed is much lower than before 2/5

jianping - worst EO on my bike, engine feels less powerful,noisy and rough.. need to throttle alot more to attain 90km/hr on expressway.. avoid this.. i bought at $12.. 1/5

 

 

 

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3716/dsc00359e.jpg

Chessa Chex 9000 10w50 (planet) $16

VidaK - No gear changing problems, or other problems. Although there is more vibration then quality oils, it is good value for your money 4/5

jtzx- Great fully syn Eo. which is value for money which can last at least 2.5k millege 5/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to FUCHS brand.

 

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5391/photodw.jpg

FUCHS Silkolene 15w50 (planet) $10

byon - very good at start, throttle on and i can feel the pull from my bike never before. significant performance degraded after 1k.

Hydher - I hated it after 1k, gear changing was rough as hell and stuck at neutrals 2/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to CHEX brand.

icearmour- gear changing was very hard..too much vibration as well..changed after 500km...1/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-32901-Maxum4-Extra-100-Synthetic-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-15W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 15w50 extra (planet) $21

VidaK - no problems with the bike, but compared to the chex, this oil lost outright since its much more expensive... 3/5

icearmour - no problems, speed, smoothness, vibration etc all are at decent levels...but not the best in anything so 4/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-35901B-Maxum4-Synthetic-Blend-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-20W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 20w50 synblend (planet) $15

Hydher - Was used for long distance travelling. Was soso. 4/5

nuttybing - can feel the roughness in changing gears after around 1300km, so so only 3/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-36901-Maxum4-Ultra-100-Synthetic-High-RPM-Formula-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-5W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 5w50 ultra (planet) $23

VidaK - No doubt it is a good oil, but it is a little expensive 3.5/5

 

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9615/img0237e.jpg

Mobil 20w50 $7

Pending reviews

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/300V_4T_FACTORYLINE_15W50.jpg

Motul 300v 15w50 (planet) $28

VidaK - The smoothest is unreal. In fact top speed increased. 4.5/5

ckoonyin - very smooth; last me until 1000km before it started to get rough 4/5

ckoonyin - 2nd time using it again, damn smooth, gear changes are very positive. engine vibration is noticably muted compared to Motul 7100

icearmour- overall smoothness increased nicely:thumb:vibration still there but slightly lesser....4/5

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/5100_4T_15W50_1L_A.jpg

Motul 5100 15w50 (semi)

nuttybing - Gear changing is really smooth, can feel the power along with the throttle, around 2000km can feel it deteriorating 4/5

ckoonyin - roughness was similar before i did EO change from Motul 300 3/5

 

 

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/9716/7100fullsyntheticesterm.jpg

Motul 7100 10w40 100% Syn Ester $22

lycan - still trying it out. feels smoother than Motul 5100.

ckoonyin - not much diff between Motul 5100

TheChosenX - Trying it out for the first time. Throttle is so much smoother and more responsive. But nosiy compared to my thumper 20W50.

 

 

NASA [Which series?]10w40 (planet) $10

Hydher - Not bad in all rounders even price. 4/5.

jtzx - pick up quite bad but over all good.. 3.5/5

armani123sg- acceleration faster, nicer sound, better than the FUCHS and CHEX but my FC decrease from usually 40km/hr on FUCHS/CHEX to 37km/hr on NASA...

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/hydher/bike/IMG_9969.jpg

Putoline SUPER DX 4 SEMI SYN $8 LAB

Rating 2.5/5. Useable for 2k and you get what you pay for.

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/hydher/bike/IMG_0242.jpg

Total 15w50 $8.90

jtzx - Bought this at carefour for only $5.90 for my DIy oiler.

 

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/tosco1122/HR50white.jpg

Verity 15w50 fully synthetic (planet) $26

VidaK - It is very good, but not the best. Quite expensive also... 3.5/5

Amsoil 10w40(25$)

icearmour- gear changing is the smoothess among all..less vibration and as good as motul 300v..top speed not so great so 4/5

 

 

 

Anyone wanna update?

[naim]

Strictly for TA200 riders reviews only

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Bel-Ray-96262-Thumper-20W50-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Belray thumper 20w50(Unique motorsports/hkl) $18

Hydher - After 1000k,gear shifting was slick 4.5/5

TheChosenX - I loved it to the end. Only after 1000k++ that the throttle is smoother and engine has lesser vibration. 4.5/5

 

 

 

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_malaysia/STAGING/local_assets/images/products/mco_power14t_malaysia_375x253.jpg

Castrol Power 1 15w40 (Thailand) 100 baht / S$4.26

VidaK - Gear changing is a little stiff, engine sounds rough and top speed is much lower than before 2/5

jianping - worst EO on my bike, engine feels less powerful,noisy and rough.. need to throttle alot more to attain 90km/hr on expressway.. avoid this.. i bought at $12.. 1/5

 

 

 

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3716/dsc00359e.jpg

Chessa Chex 9000 10w50 (planet) $16

VidaK - No gear changing problems, or other problems. Although there is more vibration then quality oils, it is good value for your money 4/5

jtzx- Great fully syn Eo. which is value for money which can last at least 2.5k millege 5/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to FUCHS brand.

naim - awesome value for money. the smoothness is remarkable considering the price. but felt it become a little rough wen hitting the 2k mark

 

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5391/photodw.jpg

FUCHS Silkolene 15w50 (planet) $10

byon - very good at start, throttle on and i can feel the pull from my bike never before. significant performance degraded after 1k.

Hydher - I hated it after 1k, gear changing was rough as hell and stuck at neutrals 2/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to CHEX brand.

icearmour- gear changing was very hard..too much vibration as well..changed after 500km...1/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-32901-Maxum4-Extra-100-Synthetic-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-15W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 15w50 extra (planet) $21

VidaK - no problems with the bike, but compared to the chex, this oil lost outright since its much more expensive... 3/5

icearmour - no problems, speed, smoothness, vibration etc all are at decent levels...but not the best in anything so 4/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-35901B-Maxum4-Synthetic-Blend-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-20W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 20w50 synblend (planet) $15

Hydher - Was used for long distance travelling. Was soso. 4/5

nuttybing - can feel the roughness in changing gears after around 1300km, so so only 3/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-36901-Maxum4-Ultra-100-Synthetic-High-RPM-Formula-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-5W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 5w50 ultra (planet) $23

VidaK - No doubt it is a good oil, but it is a little expensive 3.5/5

 

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9615/img0237e.jpg

Mobil 20w50 $7

Pending reviews

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/300V_4T_FACTORYLINE_15W50.jpg

Motul 300v 15w50 (planet) $28

VidaK - The smoothest is unreal. In fact top speed increased. 4.5/5

ckoonyin - very smooth; last me until 1000km before it started to get rough 4/5

ckoonyin - 2nd time using it again, damn smooth, gear changes are very positive. engine vibration is noticably muted compared to Motul 7100

icearmour- overall smoothness increased nicely:thumb:vibration still there but slightly lesser....4/5

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/5100_4T_15W50_1L_A.jpg

Motul 5100 15w50 (semi)

nuttybing - Gear changing is really smooth, can feel the power along with the throttle, around 2000km can feel it deteriorating 4/5

ckoonyin - roughness was similar before i did EO change from Motul 300 3/5

 

 

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/9716/7100fullsyntheticesterm.jpg

Motul 7100 10w40 100% Syn Ester $22

lycan - still trying it out. feels smoother than Motul 5100.

ckoonyin - not much diff between Motul 5100

TheChosenX - Trying it out for the first time. Throttle is so much smoother and more responsive. But nosiy compared to my thumper 20W50.

 

 

NASA [Which series?]10w40 (planet) $10

Hydher - Not bad in all rounders even price. 4/5.

jtzx - pick up quite bad but over all good.. 3.5/5

armani123sg- acceleration faster, nicer sound, better than the FUCHS and CHEX but my FC decrease from usually 40km/hr on FUCHS/CHEX to 37km/hr on NASA...

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/hydher/bike/IMG_9969.jpg

Putoline SUPER DX 4 SEMI SYN $8 LAB

Rating 2.5/5. Useable for 2k and you get what you pay for.

 

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Total 15w50 $8.90

jtzx - Bought this at carefour for only $5.90 for my DIy oiler.

 

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Verity 15w50 fully synthetic (planet) $26

VidaK - It is very good, but not the best. Quite expensive also... 3.5/5

Amsoil 10w40(25$)

icearmour- gear changing is the smoothess among all..less vibration and as good as motul 300v..top speed not so great so 4/5

 

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Liquimoly 10W50 Fully synthetic (Equipment Extreme) $24

naim - very smooth. very slick gear changes. doesn't get rough at full throttle. vibration is strong due to its thickness, but u can feel that its smooth. though abit expensive. 4.5/5

[jtzx]

Bump my post ;D