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600 to 1000cc?

hydrop

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R6ex Newbie

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Originally posted by mechwira@Nov 5 2006, 12:21 PM

any modern sportsbike will have handling quality more than you'll require on the road. its limit probably only on track can reach.

 

handling-wise more worth comparing between sportsbikes and naked streetfighters. of coz, the sportsbike better handling, but newbies might wanna know exactly what the diff is.

Agree with you on that.

 

However, I noticed the litre bikes seems to be every bit as fast as the 600s around the corners of PG Track. Why is that so?

 

The only bikes going around PG Track significantly faster than any other bikes is the 250 2-strokers.

 

Even properly set-up streetfighters/supermotards with tip-top tires are almost as fast as their sportsbike equivalents on PG.

 

Seems to me the 600 doesn't give the edge over the 1000 in the corners at PG, while the 1000's extra torque & power gave it significant advantage over the 600.

 

1000 riders seem generally faster on PG than 600 riders, or so I observed.

 

Are my observations correct?

 

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rhema83 Newbie

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On a technical track like PG, rider skills are much more important. Of course, more power can be good on the straights, but that makes corners harder too. Personally, I think a skillfully ridden 600 can beat a 1000 on PG. Just look at Charn. Total ownage on his R6.

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R6ex Newbie

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Originally posted by rhema83@Nov 6 2006, 12:17 AM

On a technical track like PG, rider skills are much more important. Of course, more power can be good on the straights, but that makes corners harder too. Personally, I think a skillfully ridden 600 can beat a 1000 on PG. Just look at Charn. Total ownage on his R6.

Charn has upgraded to R1 already rite?

 

Think he'll be even faster on an R1 round PG?

 

Or will his 600 times still rule?

 

Just speculating on bike differences while keeping rider constant .....

 

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rhema83 Newbie

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Originally posted by R6ex@Nov 6 2006, 06:39 AM

Charn has upgraded to R1 already rite?

 

Think he'll be even faster on an R1 round PG?

 

Or will his 600 times still rule?

 

Just speculating on bike differences while keeping rider constant .....

 

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It may take a bit of time because it is a new bike after all. But I will be interested to know what the times are. :thumb:

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Tourer Newbie

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I think significantly a litre class has better edge in terms of throttle control in mid-corners. Having a better mid range should equate to a better weight stability as the engine should effectively rev lower but powering with the same brute as a 600's in its high revs. It's all about driveability I guess.

 

In comparison to having a 600 revving into corners, they need to keep their engines on near-redline tacho counters inorder to stay on power band just to blast out of exit points, I think it's pretty hard to keep a smooth throttle in mid corners. Having to keep your 600s on a high rev would also mean a stronger engine vibration and noise. IMO, it's really hard to feel tarmac/chassis feedbacks with that strong vibes going around.

 

For a seasoned trackie there shouldn't be significant difference, but for newbies, being able to stay in the low revs really earns them alot more stability and confidence. I guess that's why the litre class tends to own the midweights, other than the obvious power differences.

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Originally posted by tourer84@Nov 7 2006, 02:46 AM

In comparison to having a 600 revving into corners, they need to keep their engines on near-redline tacho counters inorder to stay on power band just to blast out of exit points, I think it's pretty hard to keep a smooth throttle in mid corners.

for a beginner pondering over 600 vs 1000, this is realli no issue. for normal road-riding, there is absolutely no need at all for redlining the tacho in corners, unless you're looking for a quick route to the hospital. admittedly tho, when one is more used to the bike, one would hate taking on any corner on the road in the low rpm range, but the torque at mid-range is enuff for any local road corners.

 

if you're a trackie and you do find urself redlining the tacho out of the corners.... like i said earlier, u'd already noe wat bike u want. u'd either love redlining the bike out of a corner or u'd prefer the bigger grunt of a 1000.

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Oops, I meant close to red line in mid corners, the track context. A litre bike can easily keep its tacho within the mid range (6~8k) and can still blast out of corners anytime, but not totally enough for a 600.

 

Ofcourse, on the road, even a 125 cc is enough. I still personally feel it's easier to use the power on a litre class than on a 600. It's a matter of twist and go. But for a newbie, it's much better to try a 600/750 class first.

 

And ofcourse, back to the track comparison, a 600cc alongside a 1000cc, with the rider as a constant, the 1000cc will definitely always be faster. Which unless the circuit has no straights, but all tight chicanes.

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rhema83 Newbie

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I'd wait till the 2nd year of the production after a major revamp to get the bike (aka '08R1, K8 1000, '07 ZX10R, '07 CBR1000RR). This will allow the manufacturer to fix bugs with the design, and allow myself time to see the reviews (remember the brittle K5/K6 frame incident). Also, aftermarket parts will be more available.

 

Plus, how many of us are actually capable of riding a '04 1000cc bike to its fullest potential anyway? I think the K4 is already a lot for me to handle.

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hydrop Newbie

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Originally posted by spoon@Nov 9 2006, 09:42 AM

ANYONE NOE WHEN THE 07 IS CUMING TO SIN ? ??? ?

2007 yamaha R1 will be on display at the motorshow in suntec starting tomorrow....:lovestruck:

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R6ex Newbie

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Originally posted by tourer84@Nov 13 2006, 03:14 AM

Not on a sour grape... But I think the 07 R1 looks really ugly.

Agree.

 

06 R1 looks better.

 

Have the $? Ducati's 1098 looks better & pull the hardest!!!

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sorry man, i think you all are waste your money on 1000 or on 600...just remember youre in sg road....you cant run your bike at 270km or like that....waste money.....

if i were you i just buy a 400 super four or like that, thats enough....

 

last week i go to singapore, and watching rider ride 1000 and didnt dare to open the gas...because speed limit...hahahaha

 

if you go to my country, Indonesia, you will feel HOW REALLY POWERFUL A 1000 CC BIKES ARE...!!!! i usually redline my 05 R1, at 1st at 150 km/h....then change to 2nd and twist the gas until it hit 190km/h...and still go on to the 3rd, 4th......... heaven of speed here....

how you do that in sg...???

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Originally posted by ((((R1Rider))))@Nov 21 2006, 09:40 PM

sorry man, i think you all are waste your money on 1000 or on 600...just remember youre in sg road....you cant run your bike at 270km or like that....waste money.....

if i were you i just buy a 400 super four or like that, thats enough....

 

last week i go to singapore, and watching rider ride 1000 and didnt dare to open the gas...because speed limit...hahahaha

 

if you go to my country, Indonesia, you will feel HOW REALLY POWERFUL A 1000 CC BIKES ARE...!!!! i usually redline my 05 R1, at 1st at 150 km/h....then change to 2nd and twist the gas until it hit 190km/h...and still go on to the 3rd, 4th......... heaven of speed here....

how you do that in sg...???

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hit.man Newbie

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Originally posted by ((((R1Rider))))@Nov 21 2006, 09:40 PM

sorry man, i think you all are waste your money on 1000 or on 600...just remember youre in sg road....you cant run your bike at 270km or like that....waste money.....

if i were you i just buy a 400 super four or like that, thats enough....

 

last week i go to singapore, and watching rider ride 1000 and didnt dare to open the gas...because speed limit...hahahaha

 

if you go to my country, Indonesia, you will feel HOW REALLY POWERFUL A 1000 CC BIKES ARE...!!!! i usually redline my 05 R1, at 1st at 150 km/h....then change to 2nd and twist the gas until it hit 190km/h...and still go on to the 3rd, 4th......... heaven of speed here....

how you do that in sg...???

I thought your place is flooded? Got road to ride bike ah? :confused:

mechwira Newbie

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Originally posted by ((((R1Rider))))@Nov 21 2006, 09:40 PM

sorry man, i think you all are waste your money on 1000 or on 600...just remember youre in sg road....you cant run your bike at 270km or like that....waste money.....

if i were you i just buy a 400 super four or like that, thats enough....

 

last week i go to singapore, and watching rider ride 1000 and didnt dare to open the gas...because speed limit...hahahaha

 

if you go to my country, Indonesia, you will feel HOW REALLY POWERFUL A 1000 CC BIKES ARE...!!!! i usually redline my 05 R1, at 1st at 150 km/h....then change to 2nd and twist the gas until it hit 190km/h...and still go on to the 3rd, 4th......... heaven of speed here....

how you do that in sg...???

wah i so jealous.

 

feel so sad that i live in a small little red dot which my neighbouring countries always demand help and donations whenever they run into trouble.

 

feel so sad to ride boring streets where no rioting or highway robbery takes place.

 

feel so sad to live in a country so restrictive that theres no where i can buy a gun to keep in my fairing while i ride.

 

yeah, sad life that i live here.

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Originally posted by mechwira@Nov 21 2006, 10:01 PM

wah i so jealous.

 

feel so sad that i live in a small little red dot which my neighbouring countries always demand help and donations whenever they run into trouble.

 

feel so sad to ride boring streets where no rioting or highway robbery takes place.

 

feel so sad to live in a country so restrictive that theres no where i can buy a gun to keep in my fairing while i ride.

 

yeah, sad life that i live here.

Haha! That's a good one! Couldn't stop laughing! :cry:

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hit.man Newbie

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Originally posted by mechwira@Nov 21 2006, 10:01 PM

wah i so jealous.

 

feel so sad that i live in a small little red dot which my neighbouring countries always demand help and donations whenever they run into trouble.

 

feel so sad to ride boring streets where no rioting or highway robbery takes place.

 

feel so sad to live in a country so restrictive that theres no where i can buy a gun to keep in my fairing while i ride.

 

yeah, sad life that i live here.

Totally agree :thumb:

R6ex Newbie

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I don't understand why SG so rich, but don't want to build a dedicated race track ... but rather having its riders/drivers risk others' lives by chionging on the roads illegally. *Sigh*

 

:giddy:

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MrLau Newbie

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Originally posted by R6ex@Nov 22 2006, 07:42 AM

I don't understand why SG so rich, but don't want to build a dedicated race track ... but rather having its riders/drivers risk others' lives by chionging on the roads illegally. *Sigh*

 

:giddy:

All this involved money, as long you can find someone to invest.

 

Nobody can to invest money in a business that cant garantee return, especially building a race track in Singapore, the land is already so expensive.

 

Remember few year back, we will "fighting" to building a proper skating park?

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R6ex Newbie

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Originally posted by MrLau@Nov 22 2006, 07:56 AM

All this involved money, as long you can find someone to invest.

 

Nobody can to invest money in a business that cant garantee return, especially building a race track in Singapore, the land is already so expensive.

 

Remember few year back, we will "fighting" to building a proper skating park?

Haha ... so true, all the talk by Hvper Eddie Chua, but still no skating ring at ECP. *Sigh*

 

Guess money IS the key!

 

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