Full-Face / Flip-up Helmet & Riding Jacket Compulsory for New P-Plate Riders

[antartica]

I am surprised when fellow riders got this idea that those riding low powered bikes and dress up appropriately for the ride looks funny or what.

Ride bikes with low power means you are no entitled to protection? What kind of rubbish is this?

If this is the kind of attitude some of you have, keep to yourself.

 

Those half caps and goggles will protect you for sh*t. Looks cool? Thats subjective.

Just dont cry like a baby when your face got plastered into the streets at 90km/hr.

 

Guess those who are saved by a FF and appropriate dressing will get what some of us meant.

 

Anyway, its up to everyone to decide what they want to wear.

You cannot force it on anyone. Its freedom.

But as to riding RXK/VESPA and wearing FF, that's makes more sense than riding the same bikes with sh*t helmets.

 

Even if you were riding ^^^^ (that sig picture) and wearing a fullface, I still wouldn't laugh at you.....

 

 

Well, maybe a little.

 

 

 

well... irregardless of speedo accuracy

 

if you slip, slide & fall at 100km/h on a 70cc cub or a 2300cc Rocket III

 

it's still a 100km/h slide isn't it?

 

sure, riding gear MAY NOT elimninate injuries, but will definitley mitigate it

 

irregardless of bike class & cc, protective gear in any case, is a last stop measure to help mimimize injury if you do fall

 

heck, if you're really 101% aware of all the road conditions and how all drivers would react on the road, you could ride butt naked your whole life and never take a spill

 

it's when the unexpected happens that the riding safety equipment comes into play...

 

you can still get injured but at least would help reduce the extent of injury.

 

 

 

as to what the TS mentioned, i had written into the papers' forum section before, with regards to this, about "career riders", i.e. despatch & TP's (or their representatives) at least should be regulated to have to ATGATT. and of course not at a personal cost, but the employer. but Dingapore being Dingapore, have yet to hear anything back about it...

 

i totally agree, as i have seen in other countries, even fast food delivery men wear armoured jackets, FF, boots / proper shoes, gloves and the whole-9-yards.

 

but at the end of the day, you can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

 

i ride a 2b bike but i don't care what others think or say, coz irregardless of who's mistake it is, i will SURELY get hurt.

 

and because of the "attention" i get on a small bike with full gear, i feel that other road users do tend to be more aware that i'm there, versus the "usual" non-geared rider...

 

even if it's hot and humid, i can shower when i get home, i leave before the sun get's too hot, so i don't get to work dripping with perspiration...

 

it's all a personal choice.

 

*peace*

[CoolieND]

Even if you were riding ^^^^ (that sig picture) and wearing a fullface, I still wouldn't laugh at you.....

 

Well, maybe a little.

 

Bro had a Tuk-Tuk in his sig before... FF on that, wouldn't you laugh?

 

Actually, found the exact pic:

http://www.scottwesterfeld.com/blogimages/tuk1.jpg

[JackOHJack]

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd298/chongaik_photos/26NOLAN.jpg

would like to knw the n43 air .. is it good enough ?

 

looks nice and simple, juz dun noe enuff protection not - if visor crack it's still nose and mouth kiss tarmac.

 

Gear is a personal choice... I advocate wearing gear, but u can't force, can recommend

 

Ya! so must reward! 20% discount for 1st time fine and offence if rider wearing safety gear!

 

I am surprised when fellow riders got this idea that those riding low powered bikes and dress up appropriately for the ride looks funny or what.

Ride bikes with low power means you are no entitled to protection? What kind of rubbish is this?

If this is the kind of attitude some of you have, keep to yourself.

 

Those half caps and goggles will protect you for sh*t. Looks cool? Thats subjective.

Just dont cry like a baby when your face got plastered into the streets at 90km/hr.

 

Guess those who are saved by a FF and appropriate dressing will get what some of us meant.

 

Anyway, its up to everyone to decide what they want to wear.

You cannot force it on anyone. Its freedom.

But as to riding RXK/VESPA and wearing FF, that's makes more sense than riding the same bikes with sh*t helmets.

 

and because of the "attention" i get on a small bike with full gear, i feel that other road users do tend to be more aware that i'm there, versus the "usual" non-geared rider...

 

I agree that coz of safety gear, sometimes we do get a bit of good attention - when drivers see u wearing protective gears, they seem to unds and leave u alone a bit more. Or izzit the safety gears looked like racing gear?

 

Bro had a Tuk-Tuk in his sig before... FF on that, wouldn't you laugh?

 

Actually, found the exact pic:

http://www.scottwesterfeld.com/blogimages/tuk1.jpg

 

I wun laugh, will give him thumbs up instead. Safety is not funny.

[antartica]

I wun laugh, will give him thumbs up instead. Safety is not funny.

 

that's the right attutude bro

[Guyvr111]

i believe the visor crack doesnt matter. still has chinguard protection . getting flipup type is out of my budget for gd brand and quanlity helmets. so i settle for the N43.

[Guyvr111]

i would rather choose full face den open face .. but subject to budget and also helmet must be either certified safety by either of SNELL / ECE / DOT . And not taking in consideration like PSB sticker. that one is last thing to think of .

[actionong]

The case for "freedom" is not that strong. Otherwise, wearing helmets will be optional.

 

The fact is if you fall off the bike, your gonna want gloves at the very least. Almost all of us needs to use our hands. They aren't hot, expensive or difficult to lug around. Helmets are implemented bc it really mitigates serious head injuries. A FF helmet will definitely allow for better protection of say your face, and though u may not be so handsome, i'm sure you rather not have scars and serious injuries.

 

Although there are many riders who can't afford $500 for new gear, its still a very good idea. The injuries they sustain can easily cause them more in medical bills w/o the gear.

 

Since gahmen wants to be so helpful, they should maybe subsidize by cutting the road tax of bikes or a 1 off voucher to buy gear... stimulate the economy, win-win-win situation.

 

So, I do support wearing gloves and ff helmet, I think it's a fundamentally good idea and I suppose it's not that big a deal to make it a legal requirement for newbie riders (who are most prone to accidents?)

[Guyvr111]

government only thinks how to earn $ , PSB certification is an example. earning yet the test methods are not transparent and no open reviews by other 3 rd parties.

[nineh]

i dun think we Bikers (collectively speaking) can depend much on the government honestly. unfortunately, its a fact that Singapore is not a motorcycle-friendly/supportive country. The government may have their reasons for this, but im honestly not interested to hear. Jus look at our roads, paint markings (the type of paint they use), regulations, advertisments (especially hate those showing bikes going thru lanes and kena knowck down by cars...and the catch line is "Reckless Riding Kills"...My ASS~!)

 

so anyway...moving on from that... I think what we need is more public intervention. Take car seat belts for examples, they were made compulsory long long time ago... but werent ENFORCED strictly as they are now, till recently. Why ? cos the public and automobile associations started making noise abt it. same goes for seat belts on buses. the question is, where is teh voice for bikers ? the best we have is teh motorcycle trade union...which is only interested in protecting the rights of motor tiams and not the riders. sadly tats un unfortunate fact. that is why, if we start somethin with the new riders... we can hope...(even a tiny glimmer of hope is still hope right ?) that the ATGATT culture picks up with singaporean bikers in general. In fact, looking at some of the comments in this thread... its a long shot, that even the uniformed authorities will gear up on teh roads..... UNLESS..the right ppl start making appropriate noises in the appropriate forums..

 

Even something small cld give way to something bigger actually. I mean..all teh riding/Driving centers toking so muuuccchhhhhh **** abt road safety...I think teh responsibility shd fall on them to start the balling rolling. Riding gear for all riders under training. those crapy $2 construction workers gloves are pathetic and will not protect u in a fall! and how abt giving a talk or 2, maybe jus 30min worth to DRIVERS..abt riders and how they are vulnerable on the roads.. ??

 

Question is, How do we get someone to start the ball rolling ?

[Demon]

So, I do support wearing gloves and ff helmet, I think it's a fundamentally good idea and I suppose it's not that big a deal to make it a legal requirement for newbie riders (who are most prone to accidents?)

 

You can forget about gloves and FF helmet if you cannot even convince all riders to wear shoes.

[Guyvr111]

You can forget about gloves and FF helmet if you cannot even convince all riders to wear shoes.

 

LOL ... you are so correct. :bow:

[Fritz]

You can forget about gloves and FF helmet if you cannot even convince all riders to wear shoes.

 

That's a good one, hahaha.

[nineh]

You can forget about gloves and FF helmet if you cannot even convince all riders to wear shoes.

 

:lol: u seem to amuse me with a new comment every time. :lol:

[yohji]

and yes...I think tat all authorised personnel should be geared up. TP, Cisco and all the other similar bikers. I find it absolutely hilarious to see the Cisco goons (aka Aux Police Officers..Wah..) wearing the $350++ TCX Infinity Gortex boots with their open face helmets riding around like they own the roads.. their feet must be really worth a lot of $$$...

 

 

I've been wearing the same boots (mine is Oxtar Infinity) for 4 years BUT with full face helmet, jacket and gloves. Phew!

[Garang]

the next day i presented it to her and told her "ur lips are for me to kiss. not for the roads."

 

LOL.... Thats a very good, considerate and excellent line.

[BlackBandit]

I'm an advocate of ATTGATT and have been wearing armoured gear since I was riding a TA200 Phantom. Yes, I've had people mocking me then, "Ride 2B bike wear gear like going for racing". So what? It's my personal choice and I salute those riders who take responsibility for their own safety as well as their loved ones. And I laud any move which encourages such behavior.

 

I agree that our climate deters most from wearing armour but then, there are alternative mesh jackets which cost as low as $100 (RS Taichi) but still offers a degree of protection. For the past seven years of wearing ATTGATT, I have gotten so used to it that it makes me feel naked and vulnerable if I'm not suited up. Yes, you sweat a bit but it's a good trade-off if you consider the damage that may be inflicted on your body in the event of a crash. I should know cos my $140 RJays armoured jacket took most of the impact when I was side-swiped by a Lexus. The tear marks indicate that I should've at least dislocated my shoulder but what I got was a sprained ankle. Wearing amour is not a guarantee that you won't get injured by not wearing it IS A GUARANTEE that you will.

 

And about full-face/flip ups against open face helmets; I seen a guy's chin ripped off when he was dragged on the railings along Bt Timah Rd.

 

We should be looking for reasons as to why we should be suited up, and not the find excuses why we shouldn't.

[zeke uchiha]

In my opinion, i dont need to give/explain to retards who ask why i'm wearing full face n jacket when i'm riding...isnt the reason obvious.....for safety...

 

Well there are times where some riders just look at me in an awkward manner like what the fcuk is that? but i just brush it off my shoulder.....Coz for me, i believe that it is useless to say anything to those who are determined..in this case its to be safe or unsafe...

[JackOHJack]

hehez, i notice nowadays more riders wearing safety gear otr!

 

after waering my safety gear, look like lacer like that, stop at junction also dun wanna anyhow look, wait invite wrong attention.

 

and i also feel naked if i dun wear flip up and mesh jacket at least. but sometimes for those short trips where i dun go fast or sure, i'll just ride w/o them to remind myself of the nakedness feeling. Like if im going tutee's place which is 3 streets away.

[lutein]

Those boliao people can say all the 风凉话 they want but it will be your face and body on the tarmac if you don't wear proper gear.

[antartica]

i have gotten so used to it that i feel very vunerable without the jacket and flip up to the extent that it feels "scary"

 

so 99% of the time it's flip up + gloves, even for short trips.

 

1% of the time on the rare occasions when i know the traffic is totally clear where i'm headed and i can surely get my cocoon of space, i only wear pull up sleeves...

[swiftee]

I do think it's similar.... but the problem is, you park your car, you can leave the seatbelt inside w/ no concerns. Can you say the same for a FF/Jacket though? They will cost somewhere upwards of $150 each... and if it's less, aren't you going to wonder how safe it is? Yet you either have to:

1) carry it around with you in a largish bag

2) wear it and over heat while looking a tad bit foolish in some settings) or 3) buy a box, and keep it there and hope none of the buggers running around will break in and nick them.

All of which are unappealing, say, for a night out (no alcohol!), no?

 

why cannot? carry the jacket over your arm or wear it la. hold the fullface in your hand and put the gloves in it.

ok for shopping, watch movie etc. la

 

if you going beach then put it in a pile on a picnic mat and ask the non-swimmer with the book to help watch lor...

 

I am surprised when fellow riders got this idea that those riding low powered bikes and dress up appropriately for the ride looks funny or what.

Ride bikes with low power means you are no entitled to protection? What kind of rubbish is this?

If this is the kind of attitude some of you have, keep to yourself.

 

but so far those rider that approach me give me leh... (but yet most of them ownself never wear gear)

those who just stare i don't bother what they are thinking

[KingOfTheApe]

for lesser "bak kwas" and maintain tat decent look.. it's worth the moneh no doubt bout it

 

Ups for the thread

[yohji]

IMHO, no need to explain to others why we protect oursevles and no need to convince others to protect themselves. They will automatically buy the full range of gears once they kena the asphalt (if they still have the chance to) ..

 

[Romi_ku]

how reliable is flip up helmet compare to FF?

[yohji]

how reliable is flip up helmet compare to FF?

 

 

Not sure about that man. But I always have the feeling that the flipup will really flipup upon impact! Better to get a normal FF. Normal FF are lighter also.